This is a postcard from the time 1916-1918.......


I think this postcard is just dandy.........

This is made by tito and stop with this bulgarian propaganda.

It was like that in the mid 50's. I visited the city at the age of -7-. It was a strange world to me. But the people were different : We visited my mothers causins settled in Edessa.

By the way, Mr. MK placed a quote from a certain site. I visited it, and see what it says :
"http://www.kroraina.com/pb_others.html

Treasures of the Ochrid Archbishopric

Shroud, XIII c.
Ochrid, Macedonia
Presented by the Emperor Andronicos II Palleologus (1282-1328) to the Ochrid Archbishop, inscribed with gold fibers: "Shepherd of the Bulgarians, remember the ruler Andronicos Palleologus, when sacrificing".
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If you have complaints, please apply to Mr. MK. As you see, in the 1300's, Andronicos speaks about the people of Ochrid as "Bulgarians".
Where were the Macedonians ?

Why wouldn't Voden 1916 people call themselves Bulgarian also ?
Part of the population, at least. There were Greeks too. And these cursed 'Grkmans'.

In the 10th century Emperor Constantine VII Prophyrogenitus spoke about ROMAION(Romans) in the "De Administrando Imperio", where were the Greeks(Ellines).... WHERE????

Why are the NEW Greeks the BIGGEST A**HOLES to the Macedonians.

Holy crap they are STILL trying to prove their GREEKNESS to the 'REAL Greeks south of LARISSA' (I quote a Greek forum member)

BRITANNICA calls it 'CULTURAL CONFUSION'

Yes indeed. Tito scanned in the postcard and photoshopped it himself.

You had cousins in Edessa - immigrants. I have friend whose grandmother left Turkey and settled in Edessa. She is now Greek, but her grandmother, she told me, spoke Turkish - she does'nt say much about her father - but he would have to have been at the very least fluent in Turkish to understand her.

Nearly all prosfigi were fluent in Turkish.

p.

yes they were, one of my good mates is greek by his identification, half from athens and half from salonika, and he told me that he heard his grandmother speaking to the owners of the kebab shop down the road in turkish. She'd be about 70 to 80 now. This means that she still grew up with turkish spoken in her household because at the time of the population exchange she would have been very young.

If these people were ethnic greeks from turkey, wouldn't they have already been bilingual in greek and turkish? With the added pressure from the government at the time for all citizens to speak only greek, wouldn't the ethnic greek families have adhered to this? The only reason why my mate's grandmother can speak turkish is probably because her parents spoke it at home. The only reason why her parents would have spoken it at home is probably because they didn't really know Greek when they arrived in Salonika. I have never asked him about this in greater detail, i just remembering him mentioning it. I just find it quite interesting that he didn't actually know why or how she knew how to speak turkish. Why else would you hide something like that unless you are ashamed or trying to hide your identity?

Yeah, or you fear that you'll be victimised by local authorities who went spastic hearing anything other than Greek.

It really bothers some Greeks if you tell them they are Turks - the tragedy is - many of the new Greeks still have relations living in Turkey. There must be alot of tragic family stories there.

Men from Asia Minor were ALL, INVARIABLY, fluent in Turkish. They were living in the Ottoman Empire, they were a minority in it, they HAD to know Turkish in order to live.

And ALL men had weapons. From 14 years old you had to carry at least a knife, usually a revolver. In Crete they still DO, TODAY ! [They have so many Kalashnicof's, they can provide an army division !]

Women knew less Turkish. Oriental societies were secluded. In Eshki-Sehir it was a very rare image, a Greek woman going alone in the streets. She had to be accompanied by a man.

In Asia Minor there were BETTER schools than in Greek mainland, though. It was the old Byzantine tradition, when the center of Gravity of the Greeks was around Constantinopolis.

So, the thorn in your eyes, the Prosfyges, were as Greeks as the rest of Greek mainland.

But you never gave me an info : Was there ANY school that taught either Bulgarian or Macedonian BEFORE 1835 ? [ First Bulgarian school founded in Gabrovo in 1835].

[quote="Paul"]
It really bothers some Greeks if you tell them they are Turks - the tragedy is - many of the new Greeks still have relations living in Turkey. There must be alot of tragic family stories there.
/quote]

I burst in tears !!!

The thorn in your eye, WE, THE PROSFYGES, that changed the national make up of the Aegean, and made it Greek in ABSOLUTE majority !!

If it is a consolation for you Diaspora boys, go on, call us ...Kartvelians, you are just a few guys !
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JOKE :
Macedonian representatives visit China, in order to complain for their minority in Greece being abused.
"How many of you live in Greece?", asks the Chinese spokesman.

"Two hundred thousand", reply the Macedonians.

"Oh, I see. And, in which hotel they reside ?", responds the Chinese.

The poor man, if he knew that your minority is only 30.000 !!!!

Again ? Don't you remember we had explained that issue in detail ?

Greeks were at the same places where they had been from 800 b.C. It is so obvious when you look the map with the Greek communities of 1800.

P.S.: So, you agree tacitly that in Ohrida there were only Bulgarians ?

Are you A VOLUNTARY victim of idiotic Propaganda, Mr. MKD ?

Turkish speakers came from Cappadocia, about 60.000, in 1.289.000 Greeks that entered Greece in 1923.

In Cappadocia, it was forbidden to speak Greek. You lament for your minority that Metaxas forced to speak Greek : The same did the Ottomans in Cappadocia [ a great Christian center, hence the harsh measures] from 1100 AD.

But those people were staunch Greeks. If you cannot understand the conditions of Asia Minor because you live in far away felix Austalia, I do not blame you. But I suspect you voluntarily succumb to the idiotic propaganda, in order to have a hobby, or passtime : Bursting in flames against the Greeks.

You surely mean the Greek minority in Istanbul.The rest left Turkey by CHOICE and returned to Greece in 1923.

You can't be serious man...???

...Left Turkey by 'choice' my arse...I wonder how many of the Greek speaking moslems of Istanbul had a 'choice'...why was the 'choice' only given to people of the Orthodox faith...many of whom only spoke Turkish, most having obvious Turkish customs and even when they were transplanted in parts of greece and Aegean Macedonia, the grk regime of the day gave them another 'choice'...to be 'hellenized' or to be 'hellenized'...

I actually had relatives in Isatnbul (from my father) till mid 70's. They left voluntarily, they could not bear the fatc the Istanbul had lost the Greek air it had till 1950.

The capital of the Turkish Empire for 500 years had a "greek" air? I think you still have some Turk air in your head.

You know that I'm basing my judgement on a real life first hand observation. Please tell me which is idiotic propaganda and which is an example of the turkish language being spoken by a first generation "Grik Matsethonian" woman now in her late 70s even as far away as Australia? Obviously this idiotic propaganda has infiltrated my Grik Australian friend (who is now 2nd generation and doesn't even speak greek anymore nor know the history of the region) who mentioned this fact to me. I am sure that had e known the context in which he told me, he wouldn't have spoken a word.

Mr Siguren - what do i have to conclude about you??That you are: 1. DEAF; 2. BLIND (since you obviosly dont read what any of us write);3. A STUPID MORON WITH A NEO-HELLENIC SOFTWARE VIRUS INSTALLED IN ITS HEAD & A CAUSE AGAINST THOSE DIRTY SKOPS; 4. THAT U R IN NEED OF A QUITE LARGER DIOPTER; 5. A MEMBER OF SOME NEO-HELLENIC NATIONAL-RACISTIC SECRET SOCIETY IN PURSUIT OF "CHANGING THE MINDS OF THOSE "PPL WITH NO NATIONALITY"; 6. PLAIN STUPID TO NOT UNDERSTAND BASIC THINGS.

IE

Treasures of the Ochrid Archbishopric

Shroud, XIII c.
Ochrid, Macedonia
Presented by the Emperor Andronicos II Palleologus (1282-1328) to the Ochrid Archbishop, inscribed with gold fibers: "Shepherd of the Slavic Ortodox Christans, remember the ruler Andronicos Palleologus, when sacrificing".


The name "Bulgarians" obtained a race connotation only after Russia invented a nation out the name "Bulgarian" wich previosly meant (guys what do you think how many times did i explained this simple fact to him??I think AT LEAST 15 times - not to count every other forumist.) - Slavic Ortodox Christian.



So tell me Andrew - wich is it? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 ???


ps

and yet when you point to him that no greeks or hellenes existed for 2000 yrs only to suddenly appear in 1800, he proudly says that they were Romeoi bcs of this and that while in the same time not having a clue that Romeoi in the ROMAN realm meant - ANY DIFFERENT ETHNIC SUBJECT OF THE EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE. That name Byzantium was later invented to create the illusion that it was somehow a "greek" empire..