Austrian Military Map
1893 -1904 Series, Map by Austrian Hungarian Military Cartographers (Terrain Hptm A. Vogel & Hptm A Krulis) Geripp Offiz. W. Ahl u. Offiz. R. Dokaupil

Firstly, let me explain how to look for villages with Slavic names.

Slavic Letters:

č = ch
š = sh
ž = zh


Names with the following suffixes indicate a Slavic origin (example):

-ovo (Bozovo) - the most common Slavic suffix
-in many cases, "ovo" has been Hellenized to "ovon" (Ostrovon) or Albanianized to "ova" (Karčova)
-ica (Lubenica)
-čani (Viličani)
-žani (Grižani)
-vec (Ljaskovec)
-ič (Naselič)
-šta (Blazomišta)
-šišta in many cases Hellenized to "sista" (Lapsista)
-čani (Staričani)
-šte (Dumanvište)
-sko (Milensko)
-šča (Dobrolišča)
-grad (Zelengrad)

*All examples above are found on the map


Examples of village names with pure Slavic meaning:

-Lubenica, Thessaly (watermelon)
-Ostrovos, Thessaly (island)
-Lepenica, Epirus (sticky)
-Drugari, Epirus (friends)


MAP LAYOUT:



SLAVIC NAMES UNDERLINED IN RED. The rest of the names are mostly Turkish, Vlach, and Albanian

MAP #1 - Southern Macedonia (South of Kostur):
CLICK HERE>> http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4466/sou ... edonia.jpg

MAP #2 - North-western Epirus and northern Thessaly (From Ioannina to Trikala):
CLICK HERE>> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2978/e ... ssalyd.jpg

P.S. - I know I probably missed a few, but there are just too many to underline! The rest of the names are of Turkish, Vlach, and Albanian origin. Very few names, if any, are Greek.


Exposing Greece's Slavic Heritage Continues....

The Geography, the Ancient Remains, the History and Topography of Epirus
H.G.L. Hammond
Oxford University Press, 1967



Page 24:

Some questions to my Greek friends:

1. Why are there so many villages with Slavic names as far south as Ioannina in Eprirs and Trikala in Thessaly?
2. In general, why are there so many villages with non-Greek names?
3. What happened to those villages today? Are the names still the same?
4. Did Tito go back in time, and rename over 10,000 villages? Or were the Austrians spreading Skopjean-Fyromian propaganda?

i will give you a short reply.. and then i must try to stop posting on this forum... nothing constructive can be achieved.

let's start with...

1.The -ista suffix is not slavic it is latin through ancient greek istes
2.There are plenty of Greek names on that old map... ex. eleftherohori....withy lots more hybrids or using slavic to english spelling....ex mavrovo
....... also if you look you will see Kastoria and then in brackets Kostur.

also if you are saying these are ethnic Macedonian names... when these cities and palaces were founded by the ancient Macedonians would you mind to tell me their original names?
so did the Greek government pick random names out of hats or just restore the original names?

Nostos, can you tell me - what does it feel like to you, an average Greek, to see some of this stuff for obviously what seems to be the first time?
If this reality, the Macedonian version of history and it's allegations against Greece were 99% true, consider how would this make you feel?
I mean, assume, you woke up tomorrow and it was all there broadcast on every television, every newspaper - it was something totally undeniable.
I don't know about you, but it hit me like a ton of bricks, and for a very long time I felt like I was living in the Twilight Zone.
You have a choice right now:
One is to walk away, and pretend you never saw any of these things, or two, you could take a courageous step further and "listen" to the evidence these people hold.
I mean, really listen.
Don't deny, don't apologise, and don't seek to find some other convoluted path with logical acrobatics that could bend a person's mind, just to lead yourself out of some inevitable yet displeasing conclusion.
Some (most) Greeks have done just that, and I am glad to see with you having acknowledged the futility of those mind-numbing, mind-bending, cyclical arguments, that start out with a predetermined conclusion.
A word of advice: try and take one idea at a time, because it is a huge paradigm shift in thinking...
See whatever it is - with your own eyes, as a truly free person.

Imagine for a second if you will, if these claims are true, what has our Greek government being doing to ALL of us, by keeping them stifled and silenced, and us ignorant?

Kat

Tsutsul you missed a few.

Just from Map 2 - I don't have time to reveiw map 1

Kopreva above Vojvoza on the lower right,

Vuliunishta - far right

Zaglania - far right

Krinica - far right

Zapeji

Karveno - Lepenica

Koritjani

Barci


Serviani

The second Bezhani (perhaps gorno Bezhani)

Bradovan

Koturi

Sopoto, Buba

The river is named Lepenica

Milja

Kranja, Zoljana

Ajvar

Verenci

Valce

Drugata reka se vika Zagoritikos

The town of Vodusa

Cherneshi

Boblona

Velenushti

Komati

Greush

Plisia (Plekya Plasa)

Hristos

Another river called Vistrica

Pinjari

Robari

Lavda

Aja Sotira (ne ye Sotirios)

I know a person from Grevena whose father was Macedonian and mother was Vlach.

But today this person is a pure "Ellines".

@ maknews

Yes, I know I missed a lot. I got lazy at the end, there were just too many to underline. But do not worry, i'm sure our friends from the south got the picture.

As a person who also comes from greek occupied Macedonia,

NOSTOS. Do not be so vain in believing the Greek government restored ancient Greek names the these rivers, towns and cities.

For gods sake take a piece of advice from Kat and join is in the brotherhood of man.

Nostos is an ignorant propagandist that does his governments bidding, not a freethinker yearning for the Truth.

He is programmed, the only thing that might help is a CTRL+ALT+DEL, otherwise we need to pull the socket on this one.

What are your thoughts on the above post? It seems that our villages weren't the only ones that fell victim to the forced Hellenization policies of Metaxas.

I still dont agree with this slavic thing cant you just say Macedonian names becouse that is what they are.

It depends, because their relationship with Macedonian is unclear. However all Slavic languages have been, to some degree, influenced by Macedonians.

That is what I have been saying all along Tsutsul, it is the influence. at least you know that most people will just dismiss it and just sday slavi.

Hammond is a moron, don't believe any of his nonsensical bullshit. Those "Slavic" place names continued to be used because there were still people there who spoke the old language.

In fact, as Hammond may have been aware, even the Peloponessos is recorded with Slavic speaking villages well into the 18th century -- so as you can see, the man is full of it.

Maknews, don't forget that these villages, including the villages in southern Macedonia, were settled by Orthodox Albanians who arrived (like Hammond mentions) in the 15th century from Albania. That's why it is likely that the Slavic languages in these regions did not survive. The people were assimilated by the Albanian settlers.

I have this exact map, but on mine it has written:

1904 Map by Austrian Hungarian Military Cartographers (Terrain Hptm A. Vogel & Hptm A Krulis) Geripp Offiz. W. Ahl u. Offiz. R. Dokaupil

So it is not from 1893 - atleast not the copy I have which is identical.

But we digress, the point of the argument is still the same. The toponyms don't lie.

Go easy on Nostos folks - if he is who I think he is, he is actually rather reasonable in private discussions and displays an interest in slavic culture and more particularly Macedonian linguistic and cultural influences on northern Greek dialects etc...more so than your average Greek who would rather close their eyes and not see anything other than the Hellenic miasma all around them.

This is a good text. Hammond actually destroys the modern "greek" myth of cultural continuity by stating that the place-names changed. Although I agree with Maknews on one point. The Slavs may have spoken Romaika but it is most likely possible they retained their Slavic language well after the arrival of the Albanians.

Maknews said,


Why stop at the Morea (the Slavic name used for the peloponese) when islands like Crete had slavic place-names as well.