So what do you consider yourself to be Macedonian or Greek?

I enjoy the comedy. Much gratitude for the kind words. We've seen it all from your kind (whatever your kind is ) so yeah you can spare us the usual rhetoric.

By reputable does he mean Greek universities.

I think he should take a closer look at those so called reputable Universities because he might just be suprised.

Its funny also that when evidence is placed by non Macedonian authors (and that is quite alot), the Greeks claim that we are the ones spreading propoganda - and at the same time they cliam pure race status then seem to think to know ancient history but don't know their own recent history , oh wait they don't.

[quote="MMOUZ"]If it wasn't for the Ancient Greeks you wouldn't have democracy to publish all this garbage. if it wasn't for the Greek language you wouldn't be able to write your comments. 50000 words in the English dictionary come from Greek. If it wasn't for the brave ancient Greeks that stopped the Persians invading Europe in 480 B.C the Alexander the Great wouldn't have been able to concur the ancient world. If it wasn't for the ancient Greeks that promoted ALL the fine arts (painting, sculpture, theater, music etc) you (we) would still be barbarians, if it wasn't for the opened mindness of the ancient Greeks, critical thinking would have been developed so the person could write the above book you are refering to. Instead of accusing the Greeks why don't you thank them. The ancient Macedonians were Greek like the Spartans, the Athenians, the Thebes, Corinthians etc. Ancient artifacts proove this.
and to refer to a few things in the book.... the Byzantine empire was basically a Roman empire the was hellenized. The Greeks managed to concure the Roman Empire with their language, wits, relegion and culture, that has never happend in history. Macedonia and Greece are one and the same![/quote]

MMOUZ,

Here comes a point by point refutation of what you wrote.

1. Democracy and freedom of speech are not the same; they are two very different principles. I know, I'm soon to be studying my Ph.D in political science. In fact, America was not founded as a democracy. It was founded as a constitutional republic. Democracy actually hurts freedom of speech because the power is in the majority, not the minority.
I doubt the claims that the Athenians invented democracy; and even if they did, you best thinkers, Socrates and Plato, abhorred democracy.
2. If it wasn't for the Latin language, the English language would also suffer. What's your point? Englishmen could have easily used some other language to borrow words. Moreover, if it wasn't for the Phoenicians, the Greeks wouldn't have an alphabet to use!!!
3. Actually, the Persians rested in Thessalonica when they came to conquer the Greek City States.
4. The Greeks built on, and did not invent, the fine arts; just as the Romans built on the works of the city states and that mostly the Athenians.
5. The ancient Macedonians were not a Hellenic Tribe. Look at Hesiod's myth.
Hesiod records "And she, Deucalion's daughter, of Zeus, the Thunder, bore two sons: Magnet and Macedon--a cavalryman, a warrior...The second Deucalion's daughter bore two sons as well: Graecian and Latin...

If the Macedonians were a Greek Tribe, than the Greeks were a Latin tribe, which means the Macedonians were a Latin tribe!!! Or perhaps Latins are a Greek tribe???

Their logic is so blinded by the nationalist propaganda abouth their connection with the ancient Greeks that they do not see the Light of Knowledge shining them in the face.......

I will give you your first(1) warning for not reading the rules of this forum, one more like this and you will be on your way to la-la-land, katalaves?

I'm sure you love reading that you and your kind (again, whatever your kind is ) are nothing but mongrels. How's Tirana this time of season.
Hope you modern "greeks" enjoy this series. I got lots more coming

Since the string of new arrivals , along with the eventual departures , the modern "greeks" seem disturbed when they read about their recent past. I have lots more for you orientals so keep reading . Things will get further disturbing.

You just go ahead with it my friend
For all lots so fare
many thanks

It is nonsensical to say "there are Greeks and there are Macedonians, but Macedonians are Greeks". The choice to create a "Greek Macedonian" is not logical nor is it based on any sound empirical evidence, its sociological. It's an imaginative possibility. A bit of short hand. That is it. The sooner people in the E.U realize this simple truth, the better for everyone.

its goebellian style propaganda, the bigger the lie etc etc

it reminds me of some 2 to 3 generation white australians who claim they are aborigines this nonsence is totally political, its to obscure the real issue and to claim legitmacy for the recent occupation of macedonia by anatolian christians.

Modern "greek" identity is a farce. Today these modern "greeks" run around crying that Tito created us. The funniest thing is that a bunch of romantic poets from the west created them. Everything about modern "greece" is based on desception. They are the biggest illusionists next to Harry Houdini. Their revolutionary flag was a rip off of other western flags. Their revolutionaries were either albanian or vlach or whatever joined this war. They are an illusion inside out.

This is the second time I see you spam TM's post with this nonsense question, I advice you not to do this again, if you however decide to do it you will be on your way to Neaellada, one way ticket.

Yeah I'll post something from this book about Macedonia when I have a chance. Just haven't gotten around to it. Besides it all seems comical that that's all your response is about. So keep your eyes open for the post later tonight.

Real hellenic them kings of yours