Dora's going to go on Greek public television and accuse David Holden of being a skopian propagandist.

The making of the pseudo Ellines.

We Macedonians should write that book.

Good find True Maco. Give us a few more pages if you can, these folks need to get the message.

Supergreek! hahaha that's some funny shit TM..

Thanks guys. This whole book should be on here to show the world what the modern greeks are and how they were the invention of a bunch of poets from England and France.

hey supergreeks hope you enjoy this. I've got lots more

it is a very good book and more western politicains and opinion makers should read it. but dont hold your breath brothers most western intellctuals are a product of the same values and ideas that produced byron and shelly. they love the glory of periclean hellas because they see themselves as the modern hellenes. in many ways they are very simmilar to ancient hellas a two faced coin with nasty mr hook on one side and wendys neverland on the other.

Excellent Read. Thank you TrueMacedonian.

There must be a way of taking the mirrors out of the greek fantacy land.

quite interesting read, with so many flaws that I do not know where to begin from...

it is obviously biased, with a lot of twisting of reality, even though it uses some fundamental truths (admiration, for example, of an image of Ancient Greece that in fact had and has no great relation to what truly was Ancient Greece, and of course time-of-independence Greece and nowadays Greece)


The MAJOR twist of reality the writer makes is about the language... the Kathareuousa language was NEVER adopted by the greek people, and that after 1974 (beginning of the 3rd Hellenic Republic), the Demotiki (the common-people language) was adopted as the official state language.

Note that Ancient Greek, Modern Greek (Demotiki) and Kathareuousa (mix of the previous two), are not different from each other, but different versions of the very same thing.

Good point Pytheas. I urge those who no NOTHING about ancient Greek language to do a little research and you will find incredible similarities with modern Greek.

Pythea and Fatso just to let you guys know this book is from '72. So far from what I've read everything in this book is true with the exception of a few mistakes.
Pythea what other "flaws" do you notice?

I can't find the link to the following, I found this quite a while ago, nor can I confirm its accuracy (as its not my field) but nonetheless to me its interesting.

There isn't a logical continuity, on the evolution of the language that died out. Ancient "Greek" language had several infinitives; in Modern, the infinitive of verbs has been replaced by a periphrastic subjunctive. Ancient had a complex participial system; Modern has a simpler one.

There are 2 modern theories, one is that there was once Greco-Armenian that later split into Greek and Armenian respectively, the other is that the languages of the Balkans all fell into one group including Thracian, Phrygian, proto-Armenian and proto-Greek before each group migrated South and East with the exception of Thracians. It's believed that today Greek and Armenian Languages are related to each other! The personal names found in the contemporary Greek literary and epigraphic texts suggest that the language of the Scythians and the Sarmatians (who spoke a dialect of Scythian according to Hist. 4.117 Herodotus) belonged to the Northeast Iranian branch.

Example: "Re" is the Greek (Yassou re Tikanis re) is equivalent of Eastern Armenian "Ara" or "Apeh". "Parea" means "good company", "Para" in Russian means "a couple, friend". In Armenian "Barev" or "Parev" mean "Good day! = greating"
There is no "Re" word in Ancient Greek! In ancient Greek, "thing" is "pragma-ðñÜãìá", "Phile" is the 3 person of the Singular grammatical form and it means "friend".

Those Koine words that you can find in every language are called development words, and they are being used by high levels speakers, and the scientists, the teologists, the diplomats, the linguists etc that agreed to use some of its words for filling the gap that progress was asking. When we study a language they are not taken in consideration! It's only the basic words of the language and especially their roots that are used to determine a language.

Etymologists and linguists believe that New "Greek" Language is not naturally developed, but is mostly an artificial language. There are dramatic changes in grammar compared to Old Greek (especially the classical one) for example: the loss of the Dative Case, the Optative Mood, the Infinitive, the Dual Number, and the most important of all, the Participles. The lost of Infinitive and the lost of Participle has no explanation because the Mood of the Verbs is hardly changed during the time. Where are the famous compound words (of classical Greek) with 3 or more words and multiple meaning in new "Greek" language? The language of New "Greek" Testament (which has more stresses, accents and breathings) is totally different from Modern Greek!

These are essential things that make the difference. The evolution of the language is undergone certain rules, and if these rules are broken that means that we are talking about a different language. Language developed as part of rhythmic chants used by work crews in early human communities. People would chant to generate a rhythm for often laborious work, and this chanting kind of co-evolved both music and language. Different chants lead to different meanings, which lead to language, and the evolution of an independent natural language is not just a matter of few centuries! Any society as sophisticated as even tribal groups have laws with leaders that do everything from invent them to interpret them and pass judgment on them. The articles, possessions, tools and art uncovered point to organization and the conveyance of ideas. This cannot be accomplished without language.

The outcome is that today in "Greece" there are many variations in speech; of course not to the point of people not understanding each other, but still there is divergence in the Greek spoken tongue.

Presently, the speech in various areas of Greece differs from each other and sometimes an untrained ear might have difficulty understanding the local speech.

Pontic ( was formed in Anatolia and other Asian countries), Marioupolitan (close to Pontic, spoken by remaining communities of the Black Sea), Palladarian (mix of modern "Greek" with Aeolic and Doric elements) etc are very good examples of the mix of different dialects that have nothing to do with the continuity of the Classical Koine language, let alone the Ancient one!!

TM, what happened to the first bunch of images?

Sorry for the set back AGAIN this happened to my other threads as well. Everything is back up and I'm gonna add some more right now. Enjoy gentlemen.

Maybe I should make this a sticky so all the modern greeks can read this? I'm not done posting more pages either.