Granted.....If we should dwell then it goes deeper than that.He lay into personal attacks ..especially towards my father ...case closed.

You personal attacks on me, well i just blew them over.
You forget calling me a fuckin apologist....proved you wrong.
Now your waving the red flag because I called you sour puss......please

Fine......

Fatso...



No, I haven't forgotten about calling you an "apologist"...but I bet you don't remember why...?????????????????????????????????????????

I started calling you an apologist when you posted that you-tube footage of that circus in some 'greek' institution of supposed 'higher-learning' where a group of Macedonian students were publicly humiliated by having to defend their self determination before a group of talking 'greek' donkeys who used every opportunity to say "fyrom"...

You presented that rubbish here as "proof of progress"...

Your right it was rubbish...but I thought it was progress turned out to be rubbish. Can't understand why I'm an apologist for that. I must of proved you wrong on many other threads did you bother to read them....

Peter, pipe down and go have breakfast (4) at the Wexford .. Tony will thank you ($50)

Say alo to Steve.

Here is an example of falisification of history that I experienced while in Egypt.

On the falsification of history with respects to the Macedonians, I myself had an experience a few years ago while on vacation to beautiful Egypt. With the itenary in place the 2nd day in Cairo arrangements were made with our tour travelling from the hotel through a short tour through Cairo, there were aprrox 50 people on the bus and a young lady as our local tour guide began with an introduction of history through out the Pheronic periods and the Egyptian time table of history. It was very informative and impressive up until the point where she reached a time table of history and uttered the words the "Greco - Roman period". The first words she said was Alexander the Great , I was stunned but not surprised, I rose up to my feet and asked the young lady what does Alexander have to do with the Greco period? Was Alexander Greek or Macedonian? Where does Alexander come from? Athens?
At that point the young lady was surprised with my questions, she had no answers or explanation.
She did request however that after the daily group tour that we meet and discuss this topic further amongst ourselves. That which we did, on the same day however after the tour of the Geeza pyramids our last stop was the famous Cairo Museum and long and behold in the main foyer on the ground floor level there was a statute of Alexander the Great adorned as a pharaoh of upper and lower Egypt and the inscription below read "King of Macedonia".
I managed to get the attention of the young lady and pointed out to her the inscription on the statute.
She did admit that something is wrong and she was interested at that point to correct the wrong of falsification of history. That is just one example of how the Greeks have managed to influence the world with their lies and deceptions.

My wish is that some day the Greeks will confess to the truth of the true Macedonian history.

Not just the modern "greeks" my friend. But the philhellenes who pushed this propaganda to begin with.

Unfortunately the term 'greek' in modern times has an almost blanket wide type of use, a one size fits all adaptability...it has become the ultimate 'brand' name and people have been trading this successfully for a very long time now...everything from the dark corners in history to coffee and fetta cheese has been 'stamped' with this logo and 'sold' to the unsuspecting consumer...

That's why modern 'greekness' is essentially available to anyone prepared to adopt it and doing so increases the value and the currency of the 'brand'...

But to the consumer...caveat emptor

Staro_Selo...

I have a wonderful photo from my trip to Egypt in 2005 of some hieroglyphics depicting Alexander the Great being adorned as a pharaoh of upper and lower Egypt...I think it was at the Karnak Temple in Luxor from memory...

Agreed. Regardless if todays "greek" was yesterdays Albanian, Vlach, Turk, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Armenian, Jew, etc... they interchange between "greek" and "hellene" as if changing into new gashti. These pseudo terms are devious. To say one is a "hellene" may instigate that one has something to do with the ancient race of Hellenes, a people todays "greek" has absolutely nothing to do with. The other pseudo term "greek" is really devious in that anyone who speaks modern "greek" is considered a modern "greek" or that the Byzantine class of eastern Romans, aka Greeks, can now be associated with todays mongrel child of modern "greece". Like I've told modern "greeks" on here before this is like dipping your hand into any cookie jar that suits you today. They are trying to have a monopoly on history when it is they who have no right to many of the histories they claim. The brainwashing in modern "greece" has groomed pure racists and programmable drones for the modern "greek" government. To think a country that claims to be the cradle of democracy and they are afraid to admit the obvious about their society of mongrels. Yes I know using the word 'mongrel' is harsh but if you look up its meaning it basically gives you a simple definition to what is the ethnic composition that is breathing li(f)e in modern "greece".

TM...

Which term do you think provides the most mileage

'greek' or 'hellene'

I would argue that the average person on the street in most corners of this planet wouldn't know much about the term 'hellene' but knows something about 'greek'...

Therefor the term 'greek' offers so much more scope and exploitation for our wannabees, it gives them a free ride on many historical journeys...the wannabees have spent big on promoting 'greekness' and elevating it to another level which has created a new problem for them and that is how to incorporate Macedonia within all of these lies and thats where I guess 'hellene' comes in but once again its a smoke and mirrors technique with alot of slight of hand thrown into the mix to make the 'connection'....

I did not see any image of Alexander in the Karnack Temple. And I don’t not one photo of Alexander from Egypt. I doo however regret that we die not go to Alexandria.

Philhellenes you say????

When it comes to the greeks one must be always aware, “beware of greeks bearing gifts”The mother F---S are masters of deceptions and lying is one of there profession.

I think the use of both illustrates the sleight of hand you mentioned. The word "greek" is absolutely more well known than Hellene. However when in the 19th century the philhellenes themselves used the term 'Hellene' to 'regenerate' culture in modern "greeks" into believeing they had a connection with the ancient race of Hellenes then you now see when a slow witted buffon of a modern "greek" stumbles about saying he is a 'Hellene' it is my opinion that this buffon believed everything Ms. Papagiorgita told him or her in modern "greek" school,,,, that they have a connection with Pericles and Zeus. The powerful influence of the racist ideology of the philhellene still resonates in modern "greek" society. I think that alot of modern "greeks" know the god awful truth. I think they know that they are nothing more than a bunch of bell hops to 19th century western poets demanding these ArvanitoSlavoVlachs to carry the baggage of a "hellenic" lie.
You used the best analogy. Smoke and mirrors.

Yeah todays "greek" is a chronic liar lying voluntary and involuntary. But the lie began with the philhellenes. And they kept the lie going. Here are a few examples of what I mean.






And here are some archived threads.
archive/living-in-an-illusion-t12260.html
archive/philhellenic-myths-and-greater-greece-t11733.html
post184662.html#p184662