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http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/22926

The Macedonians, the Greeks, and the Communists
Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis

The Balkan peninsula has long been considered as Europe’s tinderbox; and with good reason! With so many languages, ethnic groups (or peoples), and religious systems, the Balkans lived their most peaceful period of their millennia long history during the Ottoman rule that last lasted between 400 and 600 years (per different regions). As natural continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Sublime Gate ensured peace and tolerance to a great number of peoples at a time of merciless and inhuman wars in the multi-divided and constantly disputed territories of the defunct Western Empire. The Ottoman Empire’s scholarly, scientific and artistic superiority over the various state forms of Western Europe was undisputed until the beginning of the 17th century. However, the rise to preponderance of a bogus-Islamic, theological – ideological sect, namely the Hanbalite followers of Ibn Taimiya and his obscurantist and barbaric system, led the Ottoman Empire to collapse and the Islamic Civilization to definite and irreversible extinction. From 1600 to 1800 the Ottoman Empire became the Sick Man of Europe, and a century later it died out. The parallel rise of the Western European nationalist and colonialist states exposed the Balkan peoples to hatred, discord, local conflicts and regional wars that have not ended so far.

Macedonia

If the Balkans have been identified as home a great number of well diversified peoples and cultures, their best miniature is by definition Macedonia; at this point we use the name as geographical term encompassing preset territories of the Republic of Macedonia, Greece and Bulgaria. Macedonia was for millennia long inhabited by the Macedonians, an ancient people – markedly different than the surrounding Ancient Thracians, Illyrians, Pelasgians, Phrygians, Hittites, and Greeks.

The best revelator of the dramatic differences that separated the Macedonians from the Greeks in as late periods as the reigns of Philip and Alexander II of Macedonia are Demosthenes and a pleiad of orators, philosophers and illustrious statesmen, who did not accept Alexander II as possible leader – let alone King or Emperor – of the Greeks.

There are many reasons for this, and one must bear in mind that the Ancient Greeks were never a people, let alone country! The Achaeans, the Ionians, and the Aeolians had always difficulties either to understand one another (so different their respective languages were) or to merge into one country. The Dorians have been considered as alien element, and the struggle of the three former peoples against the earlier substrate of the Pelasgians has been illustrated from epics to drama. To some of these peoples the Semitic Phoenicians were apparently closer, and we know very well that without the Phoenician colonies in the Aegean Sea and the Phoenician infiltration in Athens, there would never be a sort of democratic society in Attica; it was all imported. Others were certainly closer to the Hittites, particularly the earliest element, the Achaeans. Thanks to otherwise prohibited Hittite texts, we know that the Ahhijawa (Achaean) crown prince at (probably) Mycenae spent time with his relatives and friends at Hattushas, the capital of the Hittite Empire, in the east of Ankara, Turkey. The Aeolians seem to have been closer to the Lydians at the westernmost confines of today’s Turkey. All this serves as example of the falsification of the Ancient History of the Balkans at the hands of colonial, mainly French and English, academic compilers whose works were to be imitated by German, Italian and Russian scholarly competitors, who however never questioned the nature of the colonial fabrication.

Greece

So diverse and inimical to one another the ancient Greek states have been that we can hardly use one appellation to regroup them. The only purpose of forging such a term – that existed for the Ancient Romans as geographical term only – was the modern European colonial powers’ need for academic, scientific, cultural, educational, political and economic control of vast areas they had planned to subdue.

The false model did not represent local knowledge of past, and did not reflect local ideas of History, local values and local cultures. It was exported before the arrival of the military; under pretext of interest for the past, a preconceived, false, vicious and malignantly inhuman version of History was venomously diffused for decades before the arrival of the political agents and the naval forces. Ultimately, this false model engulfed these colonial powers to numerous wars of which they have been victims as well.

How could a version of History that idealizes a ‘Civil War’ (it was a civil war but was presented as such; in Ancient Greek texts it was simply called through geographical terms, Peloponnesiakos polemos, War of / around Peloponnesus) can possibly motivate positively and bring forth anything good for those upon whom it is imposed?

The various Ancient Greek peoples had managed to accept a Supreme Religious and Spiritual Authority: the Oracle at Delphes. When the Macedonians accepted the Achaemenidian Iranian supremacy, the Oracle given to representatives of various Greek states at Delphes was to ultimately accept the rule of Persepolis, a vast universalist and tolerant empire that regrouped all lands between India and Italy. There was no difference East – West according to the supreme knowledge of the Oracle Wise Priests and Elders! Unfortunately, the alien element, the Dorian Spartans, convinced the rest to apostasy. For the blasphemous and perverse needs of this political attitude, a former ‘journalist’ was hired to write anti-imperial pamphlets that became sort of unsolicited, bogus-History, Herodotus. For the imperial needs of modern European colonialists, the Carian (born at Halicarnassus, Caria) – not Greek – impostor became ‘Father of History’!

Yet, colonial Assyriologists and Egyptologists deciphered and published in modern translations thousands of historical texts, Great Chronicles and Annals of extremely sophisticated background that antedate the Carian impostor Herodotus by more than 2000 years, either written in Egyptian Hieroglyphics or engraved in Sumerian, Assyrian-Babylonian Cuneiform. We should not forget that the Ancient Elamites, the Hurrians, the Hatti, the Hittites and the Cannanites of Ugarit had also their own great historical texts, antedating Herodotus by centuries and/or millennia; all this is well known to the present, disreputable, academic class of postcolonial European academia who keep shamelessly diffusing the same paranoid and racist bogus-historical forgery.

Why they selected the Carian impostor Herodotus as ‘Father of their History’? Simply, because they wished to create an arbitrary, false, absolutely Manichaean, division of the World into East and West, whereby the Lights would belong to the latter (i.e. themselves) and the Darkness would emanate from the East.

How resolutely the ancient Macedonians rejected the pernicious followers of the Herodotus blasphemy, we attest when we read all the inscriptions engraved at Alexander’s request: “Alexander and the Greeks, except the Lacedaemonians”, the latter being an ordinary appellation of the Dorian Spartans.

The racist academia of Europe seem to insolently forget that, if Athens were possibly a model, Alexander would not opt for Babylon as his Capital.


Persisting on the racist fabrication, bogus-historians of the European universities camouflage the historical reality that Pharaoh Ptolemy II of Macedonian descent had as supreme political model and considered as ideal statesman Amenhotep son of Hapou, a high administrator of the times of Amenhotep III, who lived more than 1100 years before the times of Ptolemy II.

Cleisthenes and Alkiviades either could not be held as ideal statesmen or, as Greek, they meant nothing to a Macedonian like Ptolemy II.

Modern Balkans

All these Western fabrications were not primarily anti-Ottoman, although the target was also the destruction of the surviving under the Sultan Oriental Roman State that the uncivilized Franks were hating for more than 1000 years. They were expressions of primordial and inhuman hatred addressed against all the peoples of the Balkans and Anatolia, whose potentialities in terms of comprehension, intuition, speculation, humanity and fruitfulness are higher than those of the colonial powers. Only multi-divided and turned one against another, these peoples would leave the colonial expansionists pursue their plans without any hindrance.

Rich conceptual thinkers and intellectuals like Rega Velestinli (how Greek name and surname!) were envisaging a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, and multi-religious, democratic Imperium to supplant the Sultan’s power to the benefit of all the peoples of the Eastern Roman Empire. Of course, he has been completely misinterpreted by the modern Greek state for nationalistic abuse and for truth masking. But his vision for one state replacing the Ottoman empire is quite telling:

There was no need for a Greek state, a Macedonian state, a Bulgarian state, an Albanian state followed by all the rest that have been the result of undeserved bloodshed and masochistic massacre. As Rega Velestinli would expect, the false fabrication of modern ‘nations’ was so artificial an event that implied not only inhuman practices and murders that reach the level of genocide but also complete denial of the ‘other’s’ real physical existence.

One must not be confused by academic and state disinformation that run top for almost two centuries; the denial did not take the form of rejection of the existence of millions of people. It took the form of the rejection of the existence of these people under the identity they were expressing in their daily lives; by saying identity we refer to language, behavioural system and traditions, cultural life, and religious beliefs. When the administration of a country calls the language of another people ‘idiom’, there we have severe discriminatory and racist practices that of course match with, and are strengthened by, the racist model of forged history that foreigners diffused among the leading educators and administrators of the country in question.

The form of colonial cultural and educational interference was double: either Western Europeans traveled and diffused the historical forgery among the people of the regions they wished to detach from the Ottoman Empire (in order to form the bogus states that suited their colonial imperial needs) or indigenous people started – oddly and iniquitously for what had been historical practice for thousands of years – being selected by consuls, ambassadors and traveling political agents in order to be offered stipendiums to supposedly study abroad! Like this, a certain Adamantios Korais from Izmir (at the western coast of today’s Turkey), the son of nobody to characterize him properly, moved to Montpellier to ‘study’, and fabricate, under due guidance, the educative system of a country that did not exist, but his financiers and educators had already machinated how to fabricate. Like this, Balkan states were to come to existence for the ‘good’ perspective of many wars and abundant arms sales.

The idiotic pupils of the colonial gangsters did not imagine – even not for a second – that the concept of nations did not exist at the times of the Ottoman and the Eastern Roman Empire, and that at those days Arabic for Muslims, and Greek, Syriac Aramaic, Coptic and Armenian for Christians were ‘holy’ languages – support of their respective Scriptures. This historical reality that was very well known in the past was mendaciously and viciously ‘forgotten’ at the times of the Balkan bogus nation-building. Yet, it was a simple historical phenomenon that had happened many times and under various circumstances throughout History; Slavs and Albanians accepting Christianity were gradually learning Greek, Aramaeans accepting Islam were gradually learning Arabic, and Babylonians and Phoenicians accepting Christianity were gradually learning Aramaic Syriac. This would not entail that they would become Greeks, Arabs and Aramaeans. Consequently, no ‘national’ culture could be possibly imposed on them.

To impose the false and alien fabrication of colonially forged ‘History’, the Greek state imposed a bogus-historical dogma for the needs of which the Macedonians were Greeks! It is as simple as that! If Zimbabweans lived at the place of Macedonians, the Zimbabweans would certainly ‘be’ Greek! We heard the nationalistic hysteria of those who were screaming in 1990 – 91 ‘Macedonia is Greece’. Quite unfortunately for them, Demosthenes is a far more authoritative source than their chauvinistic fever; we will always opt for Demosthenes when it comes to an evaluation of who is Greek and who is not. And Macedonians of all times were never Greek.

From Demosthenes to the Greek Communists

Yet, some light of truth was shed in Modern Greece; at a moment of frontal opposition to the Greek nationalistic establishment, Greek Communist admitted realities the dimensions of which come down to our days. This is what fresh research brings as groundbreaking conclusions.

Published by Ireneusz Adam Œlupkov, in London and Szczecin (2006), the research concerns “The Communist Party of Greece and the Macedonian National Problem 1918 – 1940”. It is a well written, objective and pertinent study of the policies pursued by the Greek Communist Party during the critical period between the two world wars.

Perfectly articulated, the book contains an introduction, and five chapters on

The Problem of Nationalities in Europe and the Policy of the Comintern,

The Communist Party of Greece and the Policy of "Neither Statehood nor Nationhood" (1918-24),

The Communist Party of Greece and its Policy of "Statehood without Nationhood" (1924-31),

The Communist Party of Greece and its Policy of "Nationhood without Statehood" (1935-40), and

The Real Reasons for the Greek Communist Party's Change of Policy towards the Slogan of a "United and Independent Macedonia".

After the Conclusion, the author offers a valuable section including bibliography, appendices and maps; as key documents - thus far unpublished and unfocused - are presented in English translation by the multilingual author, one should suggest this book to EU decision makers a key to the formation of a rightful decision. Widely known, this book is also expected to cause an earthquake to the ailing but surviving Greek Communist Party that has been characterized by a nationalistic centrifugal deviation these last years.

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WOW! this is incredible, someone with proper credentials.

Thank's Dr. Muhammad S. Megalommatis :clap:


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TM get your fricken ass up here you shithead. I'll take you to Greek...I mean AlboVlachMacoTurkish town for a souvlak. :toast :toast


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ahh a breath of fresh air.

:clap: thank you Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis and may God be with you.

we should all find a way to thank Dr Muhammad on a personal level to encourage him to spread his enlightening view on the Balkan history to the rest of the world.


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and 1000 more Incredible Bullshit.


So you are prepared to discount an author entirely in one swoop, I discount the Highschool education system in Western Countries especially in reltion to the standard highschool text on the Greeco-Roman Period much more easier.


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Dear TerraNova,
It sounds like u are buying property in Iraq!!! :lol


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 Post subject: Re: How history is fabricated & how Macedonia is not "greek"
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TerryNova...

Do you accept the view that modern greece is indeed made up of many different ethnic groups...that the Albanians played a significant role in shaping the modern state...that the Macedonian, Vlach and Roma populations are also a large part of the mix in modern greece...and that the refugees from Asia Minor are the remnants of even more ethnic groups that were once part of diverse empires...


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So now they're not Albanians/Arvanites, but they were before.

Kinda blows your 4 million years of grik historakis out the window doesn't it?

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TerraNova wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
TerryNova...

Do you accept the view that modern greece is indeed made up of many different ethnic groups...that the Albanians played a significant role in shaping the modern state...that the Macedonian, Vlach and Roma populations are also a large part of the mix in modern greece...and that the refugees from Asia Minor are the remnants of even more ethnic groups that were once part of diverse empires...


Phoenix...instead of parroting again and again the same staff...have you ever thought about what is ethnic and national identity?
First mistake you make...calling "Albanians" ,Arvanites of Southern Greece. These people had a Greek consiousness 100 years before the national awakening of Albanians!!! How the hell they were "Albanians"? -(considering them "Albanians" now its far more laughable)



Maybe you should read page 5 of this thread macedonian-history/the-albanian-culture-of-modern-greece-t12002-80.html :lol so it doesn't take much to be a modern "greek" huh. If you feel like it then you are modern "greek" :roll: wow what a devious notion that Rigas started.


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TM get your fricken ass up here you shithead. I'll take you to Greek...I mean AlboVlachMacoTurkish town for a souvlak. :toast :toast




Yeah right once the snow dissipates in 6 months time then maybe :lol


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So now they're not Albanians/Arvanites, but they were before.

Kinda blows your 4 million years of grik historakis out the window doesn't it?


Do you think that nations were created before 3000 years ,and since then they remain the same?
I m sorry that's a childish and silly approach.

Arvanites migrated in the 14th cent in Greece...are they Albanians?They speak a similar language.
Didn't they find Greeks there and assimilated them?

In the same way of thinking-yours-modern Macedonians are pure Slavs ,with no ancient Macedonian,Paeonian and Illyrian blood. :roll:


TerryNova...

The region of modern greece has witnessed the migration of many groups over thousands of years...the Albanians were merely one group who settled in the region that is today modern greece.

The issue here is that you like to portray them as 'greeks' today, and as such you claim they have a greater association with the history of this region than the ethnic Macedonians do...

You also try and justify your point by highlighting their arrival in the 14th century and that this is somehow a long enough timeframe for them to earn their 'greekness' when in actual fact, historians like the pro-greek Hammond write that the Peloponnese was inhabited by predominantly Albanian populations who up until the 1930's only spoke the Albanian language in modern greece...

Also during this 14th century period, Venetian accounts show the first emergence of the Roma in Europe...the Peloponnese is the first recorded European 'homeland' of the Roma...today in modern greece the decendents of these Roma clans are the 'greeks' that you promote as being associated with the glory of ancient Greece and ancient Macedonia...

And you can go on and on with those that settled in the region over many thousands of years...

The historical fabricators, apologists, chauvinists and the clinically deluded such as you don't seem to see the 'problem' of all of this...


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Phoenix wrote:
TerraNova wrote:
Venom wrote:
So now they're not Albanians/Arvanites, but they were before.

Kinda blows your 4 million years of grik historakis out the window doesn't it?


Do you think that nations were created before 3000 years ,and since then they remain the same?
I m sorry that's a childish and silly approach.

Arvanites migrated in the 14th cent in Greece...are they Albanians?They speak a similar language.
Didn't they find Greeks there and assimilated them?

In the same way of thinking-yours-modern Macedonians are pure Slavs ,with no ancient Macedonian,Paeonian and Illyrian blood. :roll:


TerryNova...

The region of modern greece has witnessed the migration of many groups over thousands of years...the Albanians were merely one group who settled in the region that is today modern greece.

The issue here is that you like to portray them as 'greeks' today, and as such you claim they have a greater association with the history of this region than the ethnic Macedonians do...

You also try and justify your point by highlighting their arrival in the 14th century and that this is somehow a long enough timeframe for them to earn their 'greekness' when in actual fact, historians like the pro-greek Hammond write that the Peloponnese was inhabited by predominantly Albanian populations who up until the 1930's only spoke the Albanian language in modern greece...

Also during this 14th century period, Venetian accounts show the first emergence of the Roma in Europe...the Peloponnese is the first recorded European 'homeland' of the Roma...today in modern greece the decendents of these Roma clans are the 'greeks' that you promote as being associated with the glory of ancient Greece and ancient Macedonia...

And you can go on and on with those that settled in the region over many thousands of years...

The historical fabricators, apologists, chauvinists and the clinically deluded such as you don't seem to see the 'problem' of all of this...



Hammond also said that the war for "greek" independance was won by Albanians. But if we go by modern "greek" logic these are not Albanians but modern "greeks" :lol


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TM...

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Hammond also said that the war for "greek" independance was won by Albanians. But if we go by modern "greek" logic these are not Albanians but modern "greeks"


It appears that most of the world is aware of this little fact...the Albanians or Arvanites if you wish, were one of the main driving forces in the creation of the modern 'greek' state...once again a commonly known 'fact' to most people...the magnitude of the Albanian/Arvanite influence reaches every notable level of 'greek' society from the arts to the role of president...these very same Albanians/Arvanites/'greeks' are now calling themselves 'macedonian' or are involved in the battle to deny the ethnic Macedonians their identity...and still we have peanuts here who can't see the lunacy of their claims or the fabrication of 'greek' history and identity...


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Such crap. The Arvanites assimilated....your friend Finlay even admits the Arvanites WHO CAME FROM EPIRUS a highly populated Greek area made of a fraction of the Greek population. Finlay states there were 1,000,000 ethnic Greeks in mainland Greece with POCKETS of Arvanites.

TM, you stated that Kaplan was contradictory. I think your buddy Finlay has contradicted himself a few times. The Arvanites language should have prevailed....THEY ASSIMILATED.

There is no documented proof of forcible assimilation done to the Arvanites.

I believe most Arvanites had a Greek conscience.

Traditional Arvanite folk songs offer valuable information about social values and ideals of Arvanitic societies.[37] Arvanitic songs share similarities with Arbëresh, Albanian and Epirote music

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus


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Such crap. The Arvanites assimilated....your friend Finlay even admits the Arvanites WHO CAME FROM EPIRUS a highly populated Greek area made of a fraction of the Greek population. Finlay states there were 1,000,000 ethnic Greeks in mainland Greece with POCKETS of Arvanites.

TM, you stated that Kaplan was contradictory. I think your buddy Finlay has contradicted himself a few times. The Arvanites language should have prevailed....THEY ASSIMILATED.

There is no documented proof of forcible assimilation done to the Arvanites.

I believe most Arvanites had a Greek conscience.

Traditional Arvanite folk songs offer valuable information about social values and ideals of Arvanitic societies.[37] Arvanitic songs share similarities with Arbëresh, Albanian and Epirote music

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus



Come on Fatso stop lying not to us but to yourself. Your country is made of anything but ethnic "greeks". That term is insidious and devious. No such thing as an ethnic "greek". I could show you 1000 posts and books that say that Albanians in modern "greece" were speaking Albanian in Athens even up to the 20th century. Assimilation doesn't always work my portly friend. Ask the many Macedonians in here who still live in Occupied Aegean Macedonia.


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Fatso, it's time to own up to the Albanian component of Modern Greece. Without the Christian Albanians there simply would not be any Greece today, to deny them their place in Modern Greek history strikes me as cowardly.


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I never denied Albanians , Vlachs , Turks and Maks make up a great protion of Greece but what you are indicating is total rubbish.

Same can be said for any country in the Balkans. TM, I can provide just as many sources as you...we would be here for ever.

My family visited Naftplion and old Venetian port. The town is riddled with castles. There are scriptures and old bibles in Greek writing from the 15th century.

There is no consistency or continuity in you theories. Please lets not waste each others time.


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C'mon tubby, move on...don't lower yourself to the pathetic level of the common greek apologist...

The Albanian/Arvanite influence on modern 'greece' is immense...the point isn't about what these people identify as today or how 'assimilated' they have become since the 14th century...

The point is that many of these 'greeks' of Albanian/Arvanite origin, along with many other assimilated groups within the modern 'greek' state are today vehemently opposed to recognising the Macedonian peoples right to self determination on nothing more credible than some psychotic delusion of grandeur that has been instilled in them from the xenophobic, racist and discriminatory policies of successive greek regimes...the racism encouraged by Athens has ensured that no citizen of modern greece can stray beyond the imposed racial confines that promote the ludicrous idea of total homogeneity...

That's why terms like 'Arvanite' and 'Muslim Minority' are 'acceptable' monikers within greece because none of these terms can be associated with any nation state and when people are forced to choose identity they have only one 'serious' option...hang out with the 99.9% 'homogenous' crowd or battle against the odds with the 'non-descript'...


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Phoenix, I seek the truth. I don't buy into any of the Greek crap about Macedonians and i'm not buying this crap either.

Merry X-mas boys....I'm off.


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Phoenix, I seek the truth. I don't buy into any of the Greek crap about Macedonians and i'm not buying this crap either.

Merry X-mas boys....I'm off.


What crap...?...shit creek only flows in one direction


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