Awesome post Tsutsul

How is that different to what Greece says today ?
They always say that there are slaves in the pronvince of Macedonia.

Is there any more references to that page. A link to the rest of the book ?

The number looks quite small ...

Psaraki
The number is vastly understated and they're not Macedonian Slavs any more than you are Greek Slavs.

Before I ban you......ah f@%k it I'll just ban you

Actually according to Greeks today, there are no Macedonians or Slavs, just "Slavophone Greeks". Others say that they are Bulgarians, but according to the census the Bulgarians are listed separately. Furthermore, all Greeks say that they are not an ethnic minority, but the census shows that they are.

Great find Tsutsul Pase Goveda!
Its amazing to see the way the Greeks attempt to deny anything Macedonian, even when presented with documents like this.
If we were Jews and they still acted like this about the Holocaust, every neo-nazi organization on the planet would look up to their ability to deny anything.

TPG:
I assume this is an american source - how do you know the information is derived from the Greek census in 1928?

TPG: Never mind - I just saw the text - Thanks for posting.

TPG bravo, nice find, keep it coming!

Tsutsul can you please provide us with a linc, if it is an web source?

Thanks everyone. The book mostly talks about different minorities and refugees from all over Europe, and the "problems" that the countries face having to take care of them. The only other place it mentions Macedonians is in a small paragraph saying how they are claimed by neighboring countries. It says Serbia regards them as South Serbs, Bulgaria regards them as Bulgarians, and the IMRO claims them distinctively as Macedonians. Unfortunately I cannot provide a link to anyone because I have been granted special access to the archive, others would have to pay.

To all,

The text below was written by a "Greek" as a response to the census report in this thread. I'd like to hear your comments on it. He is making a difference between cultural/linguistic groups with that of "national minorities" to justify the non-recognition of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.

"I just indicate that the number (census) is insignificant . I don't think that there is a problem with changing nationality in Greece. I have NEVER heard any case of anyone not able to do that....And I repeat, there are cultural or linguistic groups in Greece, but no national minorities! There are Arvanites groups that never stop declaring their greekness! 20 majors of villages in Thessaly, Epirus and Macedonia stated in a joint statement that they are vlachs and very proud to be greek...There is no way to create a minority, out of nothing"

Ethnic Minority - a group of people who have a different ethnicity, religion, language or culture to that of the majority of people in the place where they live.

The quoted passage is nothing more than the usual Greek double-speak. According to this individual, there is no such thing as a national minority. All you have to do to become part of the majority is learn a new language and buy into a national myth.

This explains why the number of people declaring themselves as "Albanians" and "Vlachs" are so low, and the number of "Greeks" is inflated. So in reality the census is not accurate, the number of minorities should be much higher and the number of "Greeks" should be lower.

Athens doesn't have actual numbers so they just create something that meets their personal needs. Athens makes it very hard (dangerous)) for anyone who doesn't lie for them about their ethnic background.

People were NEVER born Grkomani Athens created Grkomani by force aka a dictatorship ..
1913 - 2009

1. "Macedonian Slavs", not just "Macedonians".

2. Greece didn't want a big bulgarian minority to appear in statistics. As a result, it would be happy to rebaptize some Bulgarians (or Bulgaromani if you like it more). I don't claim you are Bulgarians!!

Is that what the modern "greeks" claim? How about when Melas met and saw these "Macedonians" and wrote about Kottas' language as being "Macedonian" Or Dragoumis the Albanian who wrote about these same "Macedonians"? Kazzazis makes similar mentions,,,although in his theory these people really are "slavophone greeks"

I think Dragoumis was a pure Hellene descended from ancient Vlach like Plato and Demosthenes.

Ion Dragoumis originated from Vogatsiko (Bogatsko). The village is in Kostursko and it lies in the very border between the Greek speaking area and the Macedonian speaking one.