Kavadartsi. The Bulgarian historian Bozhidar Dimitrov presented two books in Kavadarci, Macedonia, Utrinski Vesnik reports. The article is entitled 'Provocations of the Bulgarian historian Bozhidar Dimitrov'.
‘I will grant a Million to the person, who can bring a document, which proves that Macedonians have lived here from 7th till 14th century’, Dimitrov said during the presentation of his books. This, the daily continues’ made the people, who attended the presentation ask the Macedonian Academy for Science and Art why did it remain silent about the Tikves uprising, which according to Dimitrov, has been organized by the Internal Maceodnian-Odrin Revolutionary Organization and by Todor Aleksandrov.
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n128549


million what?

I would grant a million to anyone who could prove to me that the culture and language of the FIRST Bulgars that arrived in Macedonia and Thrace around 700 AD - survives.

Ofcourse not - they are ethnic Macedonians in every possilbe way - except name - but that shall soon be corrected.

I must admit, totaly true.

I mean, what's wrong with these people! They wear Asian name, they never migrated in Macedonia, only pilaged and ravaged, and now want us to wear their name? NEVER.

Anyway, i will ask him

SHOW me a document WHEREAS it stated that the FIRST BULGARS from 7th CENTURY ONWARDS, migrated in MACEDONIA

and

WHERE THE MACEDONIANS DISSAPEARED.

Honestly, we should stop DEFENDING. LET them answer OUR questions, misarable tatar wannabe's.

So, what's he trying to claim, that prior to the 7th century and after the 14th century there are Macedonians in Macedonia, but not in between?

What a kook.

That 'Focus' news service is just plain stupid.

Bozidar Dimitrov is not a Tatar wanna be, he IS a Tatar!!!

" Божидар Димитров разказва, че в рода му по мајчина линија всичките м'же са черни, кр'глоглави и грамадни. Тој самијат правел малко изклјучение с по-нискија си р'ст, којто наследил от башта си. Като запознат с практиката в П'рвата б'лгарска д'ржава да настанјават по границата праб'лгарски гарнизони, заштото нјамали вјара на славјани и траки, историк номер едно д'лго на мајтап тв'рдјал, че има праб'лгарски произход. Нај-неочаквано обаче се оказало, че това е самата истина.

Преди години негов братовчед ентусиаст написал книга за рода им и решил да го с'бере на срешта. Г-н Димитров забелјазал, че п'рвите двама в родословното д'рво имат странни имена които в никак'в случај не са славјански - Мавроган (Чернија хан) и Гургур. Нешто повече, нјакои братовчеди и досега носели тија имена, веројатно предавани през поколенијата. По-к'сно му попаднала книга, в којато прочел, че около Златоград до началото на ХХ век имало села, к'дето м'жете носели д'лги коси, наричани чумбаси. Те се спускали свободно по г'рбовете им или били заплетени в д'лга плитка.

"В с. Еникьој и нјакои други дедеагачки села м'жете с'што били с чумбаси, но по-к'си - до раменете. Хората в този крај запазили специфичнија си бит и в'ншен вид пише в книгата. Горо Горов, известен наш историк и опонент на Божидар Димитров, п'к тв'рди следното: "Село Б'лгаре се отличава коренно от останалите. Хората там са диви, вадјат ножа за ништо и те колјат - така заклали гр'цки чорбаджија от Ахтопол в краја на ХIХ век."

Това тв'рдение ни нај-малко не обижда Божидар Димитров. Когато през 1878 г. Б'лгаре останало на турска територија, Георги Мавродиев, дјадото на историка по мајчина линија, както много свои с'народници, избјагал в пределите на свободното отечество. Заселил се в'в Веселие, Бургаско, недалече от Созопол. Правителството давало на бежанците земи с нискостеблени гори и тој с двете си р'це изкоренјавал д'рвета, направил си нива. Залјубили се с баба Дафина от Ченгере. Това село нјакога било на Маслен нос, днес е вече изчезнало, објаснјава внук'т.

"Имали са 10 свои деца и понеже били все момичета, осиновили едно момче. Аз едва на 30 години разбрах, че този мој вујчо не е истински. Отгледали и едно роднинско сираче. Така се е правела Б'лгарија. П'рвите д'штери раждали едновременно с мајките си, както лелја ми Султана и баба ми, а дјадо е участвал в'в всички војни и штом се в'рнел, правел по едно дете."

Божидар Димитров изброил 68 свои п'рви братовчеди. А за вторите казва, че са около 150 и ако се с'берат, правјат едно голјамо село. Род'т сега се е пр'снал по цјалото Черноморие - в'в Варна, Бургас, Созопол, Приморско, Царево. Признава, че често се случвало, като отиде на експедиција, да го настанјат в нјакоја к'шта и от приказка на приказка с домакините да излјазат роднини. А ведн'ж с една братовчедка от Приморско замалко штели да зав'ртјат лјубов. "Никога не бих предположил - аз с'м мургав, а тја е естествено руса. Изведн'ж с изумление разбрахме, че сме рода", оправдава се историк'т. Между по-известните негови братовчеди, които между другото са все висшисти, са журналистката Јaна Мавродиева и полковник'т Јaне Јaнев."

Лјудмила П'рванова

http://www.standartnews.com/archive/...ik/s3850_4.htm

To prove he is a Tatar, Dimitrov himself described his head as "elipsoidal" (kvrgoglav):




One of Dimitrov's many "scientific" works:

The fact that a people who carry an asian name call themselves the first europeans

This was my thought aswell. If Macedonians were there before the 7th century and after the 14th centurely then logically they must have been there in between the 7th and the 14th. There is no eveidence not even a hint of evidence of Macedonians disappearing or miraculousley becomming extinct. when you then consider genetics it confirms that.

This Bozo must believe in the Slav migration theory to somehow make a factual claim

Bulgarians the first Europeans - if there is any such validity, is that it should be Thracians.

Why doesn't he call his book "Bulgarians the first people to walk the earth," surely he can prove that.

bozzo by name bozzo by nature, i think you will find its the thracians he is talking about.

Whats the guy doing in Kavadarci promoting his book in the first place.

jeese, i nearly fell of my chair from laughing.

plz close this thread...it isnt worthy to talk about that tatarche.

Please do not close the thread yet. I promise not to overdo this matter. The primary reason being:



The Fokus "news" agency is a creation of the Bulgarian security service. As such, it is the prime promotor of lies and propaganda against Macedonia/ns. "Fokus" is led by a colleague of Bozidar Dimitrov and Krasimir Karakachanov - his name is Krasimir Uzunov (but his agent codename is "Zavadski"). This man has psychopatic hatered against Macedonians. So do not underestimate "Fokus" as "plain stupid", it is stupid and stinky with a purpose.

The second reason why I brought up this topic is because some Bulgarian historians, desperately trying to deny their turkic-mongol origins, have recently proclaimed that the Bulgarians are PERSIAN!!! No kidding!!! Prior to that discovery, they were "Iranians" (meaning a type of Pashtuns from Turkmenistan). As Bulgaria entered the EU, a new thesis was launched - they are Goths (A Bulgarian academician Ivan Tanev Ivanov wrote extensively about this)!

Prior to that, they got rid of their alleged Slavic roots and hoped they can find a connection to the ancient Macedonians. Bozidar Dimitrov wrote a book - "Bulgarians and Alexander the Macedonian." He and few others claimed that Alexander's wife, Roxane, was Bulgarian.



It would indeed be laughable if it were not politically dangerous. So I hope you all know whom we are dealing with.

Someone should offer Dimitrov a million dollars if HE can find any Bulgarians that still speak Bulgarian.

OMG man this is the funniest crap I've ever seen. I guess Bozzo the clown also believes that the boogers in Dora's nose = Bulgars (I shouldn't laugh because maybe that's true )

I'm sure that check would bounce, afterall the EU suspended the $ flow to Bulgaria for corruption. However, those skillful Tartar gangster, er "businessmen" would probably payout to any Macedonian who would sell his soul to the Tartars.

The "thesis" was that:

1. Roxana was Bulgarian as were some of the people Alexander conquered;

2. Alexander and our solgiers "got some" at that time (dve cherveni anyone?);

3. The subsequent children returned to the Balkans (those would be khan Asparuh or some other Bulgarian tribes).



Stay with me TrueMacedonian, I'll show you funny!

keep up the posts milka, i think they more posts about bulgarias claims to macedonia the better to illustrate exactly how stupid both bulgarian and greek claims to macedonia are.

Thanks, will do, but do tell me if you get bored or if we need to treat more important themes.

As for the claim below, I believe a short informational session is a good thing. Namely:



It would not be wise to make such an offer. There are people in Bulgaria, however rare, that do speak Bulgarian. Let me explain about the real Bulgarian language so that you know for future reference.

The Bulgarian language is the first language to break away from the proto-turkic language in Asia. A brilliant Russian scholar -- Sergei A. Starostin -- made immesurable contribution to prove that the Bulgarian language actually originates from proto-turkic. There is a database Starostin created with all the supporting documentation, etc.

Bulgarian went on to develop in one direction (and is called a LIR turkic), and all other turkic languages from the original turkic language went in another direction (called SHAZ turkic languages).

Because the LIR turkic Bulgarian was the first to break away from the original turkic language, it preserved most the characteristics of that original turkic language. Thus, the descendants of the Bulgarians are "most turkic" so to speak.

There are two other LIR turkic languages that developed from Bulgarian or alongside Bulgarian: Chuvash and Khazar.

Ther SHAZ turkic languages are more numerous and include everybody else: Tatar, Uzbek, Turkish, Kazakh, Yakut, Dolgan, Shor, etc.

In short, Bulgarians spoke a LIR turkic language and as such, they were not Indoeuropean-speaking people. That's why their language is classified in the "Bulgarian subgroup of (Western) Turkic Languages" together with Chuvash and Khazar. See my excerpt from the website given bellow.

Many people rightly believe that today's Chuvash = Bulgarian, so if somebody offers money to speak Bulgarian, some Chuvash people may rightly claim the prize.


Глоттохронология тюркских языков

Источник Русский филологический портал

Существующие классификации тюркских языков основаны, как правило, на трех принципах: географическом, фонетическом и морфологическом. Если первый из них заведомо не претендует на отражение истинной истории языковой группы, то попытки построить классификацию на основе двух других принципов призваны проследить, каким путем происходила дифференциация тюркских языков на протяжении их истории. Однако, как показывает изучение других языковых групп и семей, опора на фонетические или морфологические соответствия как на единственный критерий генеалогической классификации в лучшем случае оказывается недостаточной и должна быть дополнена анализом лексики изучаемых языков, особенно ее устойчивого ядра.

В настоящее время существует несколько схем классификации тюркских языков. Наибольшее распространение среди них получила классификация, предложенная в 1922 г. А.Н. Самойловичем [1]. Согласно этой классификации, основанной на фонетическом и морфологическом принципах, внутри тюркской языковой группы выделяется шесть подгрупп:

1. Булгарская (булгарский, чувашский).
2. Уйгурская (древнеуйгурский, хакасский, шорский, тувинский, тофаларский, якутский, долганский).
3. Кыпчакская (татарский, башкирский, казахский, киргизский, алтайский, карачаево-балкарский, кумыкский, крымскотатарский).
4. Чагатайская (современный уйгурский, узбекский).
5. Кыпчакско-туркменская (западные говоры узбекского языка).
6. Огузская (турецкий, азербайджанский, гагаузский, туркменский).

Иногда не выделяют отдельно кыпчакско-туркменскую подгруппу (по причине ее маргинальности и отсутствия в ней "полноценных" языков), а якутский язык включают в особую подгруппу. ...

http://www.kyrgyz.ru/?page=30%20

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