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 Post subject: Suho/Visoka Dialect of Sulun (Solun)
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2008 11:32 
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Suhin can post information here about his Macedonian dialect from the town of Suho, Solunsko.


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Thanks.
First of all I think the topic should be renamed Suho/Visoka dialect of Sulun (Solun).

I' ll write down some placenames of Suho:

Guljama Rjaka (Golema Reka): bridge outside the village
Rakovo [maybe from rjaka(reka)] :the mountain of Suho
Bara (waterpit)
Pojates (from pojata = stable)
Crnik
Cirnal
Kandzha :hill
Harvata (maybe from hrvati)
Kaminicha (from kamenc=stone)
Krivosha
Bjala Voda (Bela Voda)
Lakos (greek = pit) Kirmitsou (from krma = forage)
Ljaskolakos (ljasko = hazel + lakos =pit)
Visoka Hadak' [visok = high, tall+hadaki (greek)=trench]
Biberjak
Samatrak'
Baidzi Lakos
Iribichjak
Puklinik
Maras'

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Thanks for this information Suhin. It really shows just how deeply rooted in history and culture a small town like Suhin is. Especially finding out in that other topic about how those old slavic sounds are still present.


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When you paid a visit the hows owner said: "Zevaj ti r'nka/Зевај ти р’нка" meaning take (shake) hand and then people started handshaking.

Also we use vol/вол(ox)*, as a coursing, for someone that isn't that smart.
I think that vol is used in Bulgarian together with govedo. Does anyone knows if vol is used in any other Macedonian Dialects?

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I just found here that vol is also used in macedonian.

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Oh yes, vol and voloi are used all the time! :lol:


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One more word or phrase I remembered:

Саукраствјаха

It is said when you say something late (news, wishes etc)
For example if you wish to someone "Merry Chrismas" 1 month later the answer will be: "Саукраствјаха".
Does anyone recognize this? Is it a word or a phrase?

Кацамак or качамак
Food made of corn. I don't remember more. It was considered delicious. When a kid stayed up late in a home, the house-owners would tell him: "Go home. Your mother has cooked Кацамак"

Гуштерича
Lizzard but also a metal object, looking like a lizzard, that was set into the fireplace to put the wood on it.

Жарка, жарчинка
Frog, small frog. Жарчинка is also used to describe a very vivid and nice kid.

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I haven't had kachamak, since before my grandfather passed away. What memories some words can bring.

Suhin, does the village of Dremiglava still exist? It wasn't very far from your village.

• Look at this map • and just go straight up from Solun.


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Yes there is. Drimiglava is called Δρυμός now, Ι think. I know a guy from there. Ι did't know that they were nashi.

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I'm just not familiar with 'saukrastvjaha'.


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Suhin wrote:
Ι did't know that they were nashi.

Suhin, pretty much everyone around you were nashi and the further back you go in time the more true that is. Nowadays, Suho has become an island in an ocean of foreigners.


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It's Саукрастaвјаха and not Саукраствјаха

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Are you sure it's not, Se Oprostuvaya -- means they are asking for forgiveness.


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Качамак is a very healthy meal. I just had it this morning. (Polenta is the English for it). It is very easy to make. I can teach you if you want. (I'm the most terible cook, but I can still make качамак.) The word is the same in all macedonian dialects.

Вол and говедо are not exactly the same. Говедо is a generic term for a male of the cow family, while вол is a: скопано говедо (castrated). Бик is when they leave it for reproduction.

Саукрастaвјаха is hard to decipher. The modern Macedonian would be: Со закаснение. But you can use also Со опроштение.

Жарка is probably a kind of frog. Жаба is the name for a frog. Жар ор Жарче means burning coal or wood, when it is still red hot (I don't know the english for it :oops: ). Искра is a spark. Жарка or журка can also mean it burns, like a kopriva коприва (urticaria plant).


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Гуштер is the main word for a lizard. Гуштерица can be a femail lizard, or a special sort of lizards that has no legs (looks much like a snake, but it is a lizard).

There is a intesine organ that is also called гуштерица.


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Some more words from my village:

шарино: an adjective for something colourful, with green prevailing amongst the many colours.

хлучка: hiccough
[my dad was beaten for this word. He was in the classroom and had a hiccough. The teacher asked him: "Γιατί κάνεις φασαρία; (Why are you making noise?)" and he answered : "Μ' έπιασε χλούτσκα (Ι have hluchka.)."]

глутка: sip

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Suhin wrote:
Some more words from my village:

шарино: an adjective for something colourful, with green prevailing amongst the many colours.


шарено is the standard, and in most (if not all dialects). Пиле шарено : colorful bird. Шарен фустан, шарена шамија, шарени чорапи.

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хлучка: hiccough
[my dad was beaten for this word. He was in the classroom and had a hiccough. The teacher asked him: "Γιατί κάνεις φασαρία; (Why are you making noise?)" and he answered : "Μ' έπιασε χλούτσκα (Ι have hluchka.)."]


ика is the standard word. Ацка, ’цка is the strumica dialect. There are various other words in various dialects like олцка, уцка, итн...

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глутка: sip
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голтка is the standard word. In dialects you can find variations of the first vowel: г’тка, гутка, г’лтка, глутка, ... I'm suprised that you use this form. It is common in north eastern macedonia too. I was expecting that you would use г’тка or г’лтка.

Tip: How to quickly switch between кирилица and латиница: press Alt+Shift.


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Suhin wrote:
When you paid a visit the hows owner said: "Zevaj ti r'nka/Зевај ти р’нка" meaning take (shake) hand and then people started handshaking.

Also we use vol/вол(ox)*, as a coursing, for someone that isn't that smart.
I think that vol is used in Bulgarian together with govedo. Does anyone knows if vol is used in any other Macedonian Dialects?

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I just found here that vol is also used in macedonian.


VOL? Yeah, it was used for someone that is not smart, but lately VOL has new meaning

VOL - Visoko obrazovana licnost (Highly educated person) :lol:

Btw, that dialects sound sooooo medieval :D

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Suhin wrote:
хлучка: hiccough
[my dad was beaten for this word. He was in the classroom and had a hiccough. The teacher asked him: "Γιατί κάνεις φασαρία; (Why are you making noise?)" and he answered : "Μ' έπιασε χλούτσκα (Ι have hluchka.)."]



Alltrough what GStojanov mentioned is true, i understand that Stuka(Штука) is used too as standard, so its close or related to хлучка

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A saying from my village.

"На чуст гус*, сто чумаки."
It means "In a stranger's(meaning other than myself) ass, 100 beatings"
In greek "Σε ξένο κώλο, 100 ξυλιές."
*y in гус is very short. Should I write it г'с?

"What are you doing?" is "Што праваш?" in the Suho dialect.

The jat thing again
дедо = дјадо
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куче = кучја in the Suho dialect. The plural of кучја is кучјада or кучјата. I don't remember.

but тета = тета аnd not тјата

Also the "зевај ти р'нка" is "зевајти (plural = зевајте) р'нка" meaning "[You (plural)] take hand.

Also од is pronounced ут (if it was written it would be oт)
and во is pronounced у (if it was writen in would be o)

EDIT: убаво = хубаво in the village
Oh yes. I've seen my dad today.

Gstojanov, any suggestions? In what Macedonian dialects do the above phrases or words resemble to?
Thanks for your help.

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Suhin wrote:
Should I write it г'с?

Those of us in the diaspora who do not speak the literary language write it like this.

Ergya (rust) = 'rgya
Dervo (wood) = d'rvo
Ermba (walk about) 'rmba
Gus (bum) = g's
Patele (the village) = P'tele
Terga (pull) = T'rga

Suhin wrote:
Also the "зевај ти р'нка" is "зевајти (plural = зевајте) р'нка" meaning "[You (plural)] take hand.

It's not plural, it's just a way of talking. Zevaiti is singular (take) and the opposite is Davaiti (give). For plural it would be zevaite and davaite.

As for r'nka, that sounds almost Kosturchanski. My dentist was from Kostur and instead of saying zabi or z'bi, for teeth, he used to say z'mbi.

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Also од is pronounced ут (if it was written it would be oт)
and во is pronounced у (if it was writen in would be o)

This is fairly common, shifting the o to u and the d to t. Also shifting the v to f.

Dyado for dedo is also found in other Slavonic languages, e.g., Polish for example.


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