Some statistics from Kastoria or Kostur

Kostur
1903-1913=67
Slavic Names=67
Of course there are and the residents of Kostursko, Canada

Kastoria
1892-1913=434
Slavic Names=73

Total Names=501
Total Slavic (not Greek,Turkish,Jews ) names=140
20% as you said macnews

The date is before the Hellenized of the area. Of course and the majority of them (434) mention the name Kastoria and not Kostur(67).

All those Slavic names are only “Macedonians”?
Because there were in the region and others Slavic tribes or tribe that had similar names
also the given number I add and the hybrids Slav-Hellenic names!!!

In Kastoria:

10 refer to "Greece"
20 refer to "Bulgaria"
80 refer to "Macedonia"
The bulk refer to "Turkey"

Also, many of the Greek names listed for "Kastoria" I personally recognize as the same names of Macedonian families from Kastoria here in Toronto. It appears that the hellenization of Kostur had already begun by this time.

If I ever get the time I'll weed out the Greek sounding names between "Greeks" and "Macedonians"

these names are Macedonian or Greeks ?

arrived/name/residence
1909 / Kostopulos,Stergios / Kastoria, Macedony, T.E.
1909/ Mpalys,John/ Kastoria, Macedony
1909 / Sideris,Lazaros/Kastoria Macedonia

these names are Turkish or something else?
1910 / MANOLITSAR,MICHAEL / KASTORIA, TURKEY
1910 / Markan,Vassilios / Kastoria, Turkey

These three are Macy.


I have no idea about the two below.

Quickly flying through them I can say that these are very likely Macedonian. There are Kosturchani with almost identical names in Toronto.

Vassiliou, Naoum Kastoria, Turkey 1904
Karatzas, Chr. Kastoria 1905
Lazaro, Joannon Kastoria 1905
Stogianis, Theodore Kastoria 1905
Triantafeln, Lazaro Kastoria 1905
Argirios, G. Papiditskos Kastoria, Macedonia 1905
Panajiotti, Theodor Kastoria, Macedonia 1905
Pantelis, Antonios Kastoria 1906
Turpos, Demetris Kastoria 1906
Tzintziras, Domian Kastoria 1906
Loucas, Th. Wanta Kastoria, Macedonia 1906
Stergio, Vasilio Kastoria, Macedonia 1906
Dimitriou, Petro Kastoria 1907
Goulias, Nicolas ...oannon Kastoria 1907
Goulogatsos, Athanasis Joann... Kastoria 1907
Lappas, Loukas C. Kastoria 1907
Ratsos, Joannis A. Kastoria 1907
Mashou, Georgi Kastoria, Turkey E 1907
Doumas, Enclides Kastoria, Turkey 1908
Evangelidis, Sotirios Kastoria 1909
Papayanis, John Kastoria 1909
Mpalys, John Kastoria, Macedony 1909
Kostopulos, Stergios Kastoria, Macedony, T.E. 1909
Joannou, Constantniou Kastoria, Turkey 1909
Zissis, Demetrios Kastoria, Turkey 1909
Zolas, John Kastoria, Turkey 1909
Balalas, Jean Kastoria, Turkey 1910
Sideris, Zissis Kastoria, Turkey 1910
Tsamissis, Pavlos Kastoria, Turkey 1910
Tsotsou, Athanassios Kastoria, Turkey 1910
Panofskis, Panag. G. Kastoria, Turky 1910
Doukos, Chrisos Kastoria, Greece 1911
Doukos, Konstant Kastoria, Greece 1911
Zissis, Malamati Kastoria, Turkey 1911
Ballis, Aristotel Kastoria, Turkey E. 1911
Georgiou, Sotyrios Kastoria, Macedonia 1912
Doikos, Argiri Kastoria, Turkey 1912
Doikos, Joanes Kastoria, Turkey 1912
Doikos, Maria Kastoria, Turkey 1912
Parissis, Thomas Kastoria, Turkey 1912
Vrakas, Dimitri Kastoria, Turkey 1912
Zissopoulos, Paschalis Kastoria, Turkey 1912

Having completed the statistical analysis of the northern Macedonian regions on the Ellis Island records, I will now begin posting the same for the southern regions of Macedonia. Below are the numbers of self-declared ethnic Macedonians for the Macedonian city of Voden. Once again I will add emphasis that the actual numbers are not nearly as relevant as the people actually declaring as Macedonians, something according to our Greek friends that never should have occured considering a Macedonian ethnicity was apparently "non-existent".

Voden, 55 out of 702, 1 in 12 people, 8%
Voden; 55 out of 702

1 Angheli,Jovan Vodena, Turkey 1907 28
2 Anghilaki,Jorghi Vodena, Turkey 1907 23
3 Carathanos,Nicola Vodena, Greece 1913 32
4 Chrastodle,Sophokli Vodena, Turkey 1907 20
5 Christo,...itse Dine Vodena 1906 30
6 Christou,Dimitri Vodena, Macedoine 1913 20
7 Constantin,Christon Vodena, Greece 1913 35
8 Costa,Athanase Vodena, Greece 1913 24
9 Coucha,Tassi Nakri Vodena, Macedoine 1913 23
10 Dantsche,Georg Vodena, Turkey 1909 21
11 Dimitri,Forghi Vodena, Turkey 1907 20
12 Dina,Gorghi Vodena 1906 29
13 Dine,Dimitri Voden, Macedonia 1911 37
14 Fache,Nicola Voden, Macedonia 1910 19
15 Gatso,Vouche Vodena, Turkey 1906 33
16 Gosghi,Andon Vodena 1906 18
17 Javan,Nuche Vodena 1907 24
18 Jorghi,Vami Vodena, Turkey 1907 31
19 Kimvrissiton,Athanase Vodena, Greece 1913 23
20 Lazaroff,Karsto Vodena 1904 33
21 Lazoroff,Flo Vodena 1904 24
22 Lezar,...igor Popa Vodena 1906 25
23 Ligor,Vani Vodena, Turkey 1907 16
24 Longo,Todow Vodena, Bulgaria 1910 30
25 Longo Nassi,Christo Vodena, Turkey 1907 24
26 Miceff,Christo Vodena, Macedonia 1910 28
27 Mitranchi,Athonase Vodena, Macedoine 1913 25
28 Mitre,Anastas Petro Vodena, Turkey 1907 28
29 Mitseff,Risto Vodena 1906 46
30 Mizzi,Iovan Vodena 1906 18
31 Natse,Itekof Vodensko, Macedonia 1910 27
32 Nicola,...isrc Vodena 1907 0
33 Nicola,Christo Vodena 1906 17
34 Nicolas,Dimitri Vodena, Macedoine 1913 20
35 Nicolas,Ghiorghi Vodena, Macedoine 1913 18
36 Nicolas,Jovan Vodena 1907 15
37 Nicolas,Rouchiou Vodena, Macedoine 1913 40
38 Papadopoulos,Peridis Vodena 1906 22
39 Parichkoff,Veissil Vodena 1906 29
40 Paudjc,Glutro Vodena 1907 24
41 Petre,Dina Vodena 1905 25
42 Sinte,Gheorgki Jovan Vodena 1906 35
43 Stoitche,Vane Vodena 1907 36
44 Tanoraitcheff,Nicola G. Vodena, Macedonia 1910 18
45 Tehiska,Vani Tochi Vodena, Turkey 1907 17
46 Traico,Christo Vodena 1906 17
47 Tripiche,Mitze Vodena 1907 45
48 Tyrptchi,Gatso Vodenac 1905 38
49 Vani,Jorghi Vodena 1907 17
50 Vani,Manol Vodena, Turkey 1907 20
51 Vassil,Christo Vodena 1907 17
52 Vassil,Ristof Vodensko, Macedonia 1910 25
53 Wassil,Dimitri Vodena, Turkey 1907 25
54 Yanonlis,Nicolas Vodena 1913 26
55 Yovan,Isapa Vodena, Turkey 1912 19

Some Hellenistic or more accurately Hellenized Slavic names are found here, but this was a commonality in some multi-ethnic regions and these are insignificant compared to how many pure Slavic names are declared as ethnic Greeks. Some of these may also have been from mixed parents, nevertheless there are many more Bulgarians with Greekish names than there are Macedonians.

You have all seen now that there are people who clearly identify as ethnic Macedonians in the Ellis Island records, not only from Macedonia itself, but also from other regions such as Sofia in Bulgaria. Here are another two individuals that self-declared as ethnic Macedonians, this time from Kosovo;

Cotcho,Todar Kosovo, Turkey 1907 22

First Name: Todar
Last Name: Cotcho
Ethnicity: Turkey, Macedonian
Last Place of Residence: Kosovo, Turkey
Date of Arrival: Dec 04, 1907
Age at Arrival: 22y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Furnessia
Port of Departure: Glasgow
Manifest Line Number: 0026

Georghi,Georgi Christo Kosovo, Turkey 1907 26

First Name: Georgi Christo
Last Name: Georghi
Ethnicity: Turkey, Macedonian
Last Place of Residence: Kosovo, Turkey
Date of Arrival: Dec 04, 1907
Age at Arrival: 26y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Furnessia
Port of Departure: Glasgow
Manifest Line Number: 0027

I am no longer prepared to discuss this issue with Greeks any longer, as far as I am concerned, if you have people declaring as Macedonians even if they are not in Macedonia, then the answer is quite obvious and need not longer be debated.

A Macedonian ethnic identity did exist at the beginning of the 20th century as it did prior, fact. Case closed.

Self-declared ethnic Macedonians in Belgrade;

Crdan,Bozinoff Belgrade 1904 21

First Name: Bozinoff
Last Name: Crdan
Ethnicity: Turkish/Macedonian
Last Place of Residence: Belgrade
Date of Arrival: Nov 25, 1904
Age at Arrival: 21y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Main
Port of Departure: Bremen
Manifest Line Number: 0003

Garril,Risto Belgrade 1904 31

First Name: Risto
Last Name: Garril
Ethnicity: Turkish Macedonian
Last Place of Residence: Belgrade
Date of Arrival: Dec 03, 1904
Age at Arrival: 31y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: La Touraine
Port of Departure: Le Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0004

Before any Greek starts about the Turkish part, it is in representation of where he is from, in this instance a Macedonian from the Turkish empire. The last time I checked Risto and Bozinoff were not Turkish names, thus obviously meaning that the Turkish part is in regards to their citizenship.

Macedonians from Macedonia, Kosovo, Serbia and Bulgaria, recognize the truth for the truth shall set you free.

The statistical records for Macedonians from Banitsa, a patriotic and for obvious reasons historic Macedonian region.

Banitsa, 42 out of 99, 1 in 2.5 people, 42.5 %
Banitsa; 42 out of 99

1 Alexo,Apostol Banitsa 1907 18
2 Angele,Alexo Banitsa 1907 18
3 Christe,Pandel Banitsa 1905 20
4 Cole,Riste Banitsa 1905 28
5 Dine,Petre Banitsa 1905 33
6 Gheorghi,Vassil Banitsa 1907 18
7 Ivanoff,Stoyan Banitsa 1907 15
8 Kice,Apostol Banitsa 1905 18
9 Lazor,Petre Banitsa Monastir 1905 22
10 Mitre,Krste Banitsa 1905 40
11 Mitse,Rousse Banitsa 1907 18
12 Mitze,Kole Banitsa 1905 32
13 Natse,Tirpche Banitsa Monastir 1905 35
14 Nicola,Anton Banitsa 1907 28
15 Ninsto,Kire Banitsa 1905 25
16 Oleva,Dotsa Banitsa, Greece 1914 45
17 Oleva,Pantos Banitsa, Greece 1914 8
18 Oleva,Stefanos Banitsa, Greece 1914 14
19 Pile,Christe Banitsa 1905 42
20 Rasse,Alusen Banitsa 1905 22
21 Risto,Alexo Banitsa, Monastir 1905 26
22 Risto,Ieszo Banitsa 1905 41
23 Risto,Kole Banitsa Monastir 1905 28
24 Risto,Nicola Banitsa 1907 36
25 Risto,Petre Banitsa 1907 26
26 Risto,Rosse Banitsa 1905 22
27 Risto,Stoyan Banitsa 1907 28
28 Roussefl,Karote Banitsa, Florine, Turkey 1909 23
29 Roussefl,Stoitche Banitsa, Florina, Turkey 1909 18
30 Russe,Bosze Banitsa 1905 35
31 Steffo,Risto Banitsa 1905 26
32 Stoitche,Risto Banitsa 1907 25
33 Stoitchefl,Risto Banitsa, Florine, Turkey 1909 27
34 Stojeon,Pawle Banitsa 1905 15
35 Terpecke,Alexo Banitsa 1905 41
36 Tipe,Craico Banitsa 1907 19
37 Type,Risto Banitsa Monastir 1905 14
38 Vasil,Dandel Banitsa 1905 31
39 Vasse,Dore Banitsa 1907 19
40 Yordan,Done Banitsa 1905 19
41 Zole,Dine Banitsa 1905 18
42 Zote,Wasil Banitsa 1905 23

Neka nie zhiva.

macnews you said that 80 refer as "Macedonia"
Official ID Bording Card from US Immigration state that the nationality and the birth place were diffrents!!!

Akritas what are you trying to prove that we
1 do not exist and are figaments of Titos imagination
2 too stupid to know who or what we are.

What ever your intentions, it is not working we are not going to go away and pretend we are not human beings with all the rights that are afforded to others in this world.

If historical accuracy is your motivation why dont you realise that,

1 the debate about the ancients and the Slavs in the Blakans has just started.
2 the multi ethnic nature of modern Greek society and history has been proved beyond a shadow of doubt.

So again I ask what are you on about , may I suggest you preston and the rest of you hellenic heroes hook up and drown your sorrowsit it would be time better spent.

Akritas mate that, that Bording Card is a fake, i proved it last time, it said

Nationality : Bulgarian
Country : Greece
Card Valid Year Pre 1912

how can it say greece, Macedonia when it was part of Turkey at that time, the us will never issue a bording card, saying Greece,Macedonia when at tthe time it was under Turkish Empire

this bording card has been modified to to be valid till 1940 now , stop playing games akritas

I love the picture...and let me tell you how Im gonna disprove this...

One You see the City, Gary Indiana?

Well that happens to be 15 mins from here, and where my dad use to live in the early 80's before he lived in Detriot for a few years.

One...there is no 3811 Illinois Street, or 2811 for extra measures....

Two...The Stamp fades where the nationality is posted..unlike the other side where you can still see it going up into where it says Sex....

Nice Try