Check out the different haplogroups listed at the iGenea website. You can look through the haplogroups for many different countries.

Indigenous Peoples
https://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=49a&id=40

Y-Haplogroups
https://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=49&id=40

The markers may be a bit crude, but they give the general shape of the haplogroup profiles. For example, if you refine it, I would expect to see a Macedonian component in neighbouring countries like Albania and Serbia and perhaps some Thracian in Macedonia.

Below is a brief summary.

Indigenous Peoples in Macedonia
Antic (ancient) Macedonians 30 %
Teuton 20 %
Hellenic People 15 %
Slav 15 %
Illyrian 10 %
Hunnians 5 %
Phoenician 5 %

Indigenous Peoples in Greece
Hellenic People 35 %
Phoenician 20 %
Slav 20 %
Teuton 10 %
Illyrian 10 %
Antic Macedonians 5 %

Greece:
10% Germanic
10% illyrians
20% slavs
20% phoenician
5% macedonian (in north more than 18%)
35% Hellenen

Indigenous Peoples in Bulgaria
Thracians 49 %
Hellenic People 15 %
Slav 15 %
Antic Macedonians 11 %
Phoenician 8 %

Indigenous Peoples in Serbia & Montenegro
Slav 30 %
Illyrian 21 %
Teuton 18 %
Celtic 14 %
Phoenician 9 %
Hellenic People 6 %
Vikings 2 %

Indigenous Peoples in Albania
Illyrian 30 %
Slav 20 %
Thracians 18 %
Phoenician 16 %
Hellenic People 14 %
Vikings 2 %


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iGenea says it has markers for ancient Macedonians that are distinct from the markers for ancient Greeks.

Here's an interesting quote from iGenea:
http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=132&st=287

A(n) antic (ancient) macedonian genetic profile exists and has been discovered through the comparison of archaeological funds (finds) and persons with macedonian roots. These studies enable us to determine the macedonian roots of a person. We have 30% of macedonians in Macedonia, 20% in Greece an minorities in Bulgaria and Albania.

It is very important to differ between politics and genetics, we are a genetic institute and we don't have politic aims. All our data are published under the menupoint "Litterature", here the direct link:
http://www.igenea.com/docs/bibliographie.pdf

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Take Note of the following:

The haplogroups of Bulgarians, Greeks and Serbs differ from the haplogroups of Macedonians.

The % ancient Macedonian rises to 18% in Greece as you go into the north (Aegean Macedonia). Clearly, this is not the prosfyges, Arvanite or Vlach, who are more common in the South where the ancient Macedonian DNA is less than 5%.

There are ancient Macedonian haplogroups in Bulgaria as well - 11%.

The % Slav in today's Modern Greeks is 20% - which is higher than the 15% in Modern Macedonians.

Its FACTS like this that make you want to say "Its Miller Time". His creditability remains ZERO. Makster, you think these people are making the stats up?

If I was running newgreeksoftheweb I would hang my head low, turn out the lights and lock up the shop.

FACTS vs FICTION - A Grecian myth if you allow it to be

The Modern Greeks are compared with the other Groups. Greeces' majority,ie Sixty five percent or 7,150,000 of Greece's population have common genes with Non-Hellenic Groups which means they are not Ancient Greeks.

This sure proves the Greeks "purity", doesn't it?

You may not say it but your country which refuses to recognise its minorities and claims Macedonia is Greek and Greek only is enough proof for me!

It's the same as me not understanding the "Pure Greek" policy.

35% may be Hellenic with Hellenic blood but not Macedonian or Macedonian blood. Whether its an average or not the majority tested show the results.
Is everyone tested when polls are taken or studies are made? Average has been proven to be enough proof with some minor standard deviations/errors.
The Modern Greeks are compared with the other Groups. Greeces' majority,ie Sixty five percent or 7,150,000 of Greece's population have common genes with Non-Hellenic Groups which means they are not Ancient Greeks.

It is the same way the Greeks misunderstand us. 4000 Years of Greece. Macedonia is Greek. Kicking out majority of Macedonians out of Greece and trying to Hellenise the rest of them, changing everthing that wasn't Greek to be Greek and claim it has been there for thousands of years. Isn't that pure racist propaganda?

voluntarily identifying as Greek and involuntarily identifying as Greek are two different things !!

These genetic studies may explain (from an ethnic Macedonian perspective only) why I cannot understand some ethnic Macedonians. I somehow connect with my ancient brethren whereas others don't. We may now have an explanation as to why.

Lacadaemonian,

It is fairly easy to extract DNA from bones. It has been done even for the Neanderthals burried 40 thousand years ago.

There are two types of lineages that can be analyzed: the Y chromosome (fathernal line) and mitochondrial hromosome (maternal line). I believe iGenea goes primarily by the Y chromosome.

By the way, a similar study is in the making by a major USA university, to confirm (or correct) iGenea. They are intrigued by the results, and they want to double check it. So stay tuned.

If Athenians were smart they should accept the name "Republic of Macedonia" before more results come out and they really have NOTHING in common with Macedon, Macedonia, Macedonians and Alexander the Great.

PS We already know about 'Zorba" and his background - NOT Athenian or Spartan

http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/gi ... roff1.html

"I’ve worked on Greek causes since 1969, sometimes actively, sometimes dangerously. But I happen to believe that the current nationalist policy toward Macedonia is disastrous and has brought no gain"

Daniel Tompkins
Dept. of Greek & Roman Classics
Temple University
pericles@temple.edu

This study, my dear friend Lacadaemonian, means several things:

1. It means that Ancient Greeks and Ancient Macedonians were even genetically different to an extent that we can distinguish their DNA even today.
2. It means that the highest correlation (30%) with the Ancient Macedonians is found among the modern Macedonians (us).
3. It means that Bulgarians are the second highest nations correlated with the Ancient Macedonians (11% and this can easily be explained not only by Pirin Macedonia being now part of Bulgaria, but also by many migrations from Macedonia to Bulgaria in the last 130 years). Note how Bulgarian correlation with the Asian Tatars is 0%.
4. It means that the correlation of the Greeks is extremely weak (5%). The correlation is significant only in Aegean Macedonia (18%) but it is still weaker than the correlation of Macedonians in Republic of Macedonia (30%), and that can also be easily explained, since the Macedonians were recently "diluted" with settlers from Asia Minor.
5. The Teutonic influence all over the Balkans is also easily explainable: VisiGoths.
6. Phoenician influence is the strongest in Greece, which makes perfect sense: Greece was a Phoenician colony until 700BC.
7. Slavic influence is generally weak in the Balkans, and it looks like it is the weakest in Macedonia!?

Now, that's a good question. iGenea claims it has this stuff and refers people to their bibliography of genetic studies.

http://www.igenea.com/docs/bibliographie.pdf

Check out this page of famous persons, it gives you an idea how they get their DNA:
https://www.igenea.com/index.php?c=11&lp=14

However, in the case of the ancient Macedonians and ancient Greeks, others probably did most of the research.

Another good question. In their analysis of DNA from the Republic of Macedonia, I don't know if iGenea included Albanians, Vlach, Turks, Serbs, Roma, etc. You'd think they wouldn't, but I get the feeling they may have.

If you exclude all other ethnic groups and isolate Macedonians, then the numbers might change somewhat. At least iGenea gives you some basis upon which to refine the testing.

I interpret the results to mean that, on average, the typical Macedonian has about 30% of the ancient Macedonian haplogroups.



I would expect to see some connection with the Asian Tatars in future as the testing becomes more precise and more representative of the Modern Bulgarian heritage.


The Modern Greek component of ancient Macedonian DNA would probably decrease to insignificance without the ethnic Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia (that would be us). At 18% (we) account for 82% of the 5% ancient Macedonian DNA in Modern Greece. Without (us) today's Modern Greeks would have less than 0.9% of the ancient Macedonian haplogroups.

Here I don't include the ethnic Macedonians in places like Athens and elsewhere, which I have been told number some 50,000. When Osiris lived in Athens he used to encounter Macedonians there who could still speak Macedonian. His own daughter lives in Athens. If I exclude these people from the Modern Greek percentage of ancient Macedonian haplogroups, the Modern Greek value of ancient Macedonian haplogroups would begin to approach zero.

Greek authorities have been working overtime to destroy the ethnic consciousness of indigenous Macedonians and others -- but our ancestral memory has deep roots and is hard to wipe out. Curious thing, that, for an ethnic group that was supposedly "invented" by Tito in the 1940s, apparently Tito not only invented our "ethnicity" but his mad scientists also modified our DNA - or so the imbecilic Greek argument goes.

The distribution of ancient Greek haplogroups in Modern Greeks is 35% - I'm very surprised it's as high as it is.

Ironically, if you combine the ancient Macedonian and ancient Greek haplogroups Modern Greeks have 40%, whereas, Modern Macedonians have 45% -- and I'm including the ethnic Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia in the Greek values here.

If I remove ethnic Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia from the Modern Greek gene pool (where they [we] obviously don't belong) the combined Greek percentage of ancient Greek / ancient Macedonian haplogroups drops to about 35%. The ancient Macedonian contribution becomes insignificant.

We Modern Macedonians have a greater percentage of combined ancient Macedonian / ancient Greek haplogroups than today's Modern Greeks -- according to the iGenea research.


All this time we've been criticizing Modern Greeks because their degenerate "Hellenism" ideology was invented by Bavarian philhellenes, yet here we are with 20% Teutonic haplogroups. The VisiGoths certainly left their mark.

The Germans themselves only have 25% Teutonic haplogroups and both Germans and Modern Greeks have a greater percentage of Slavonic haplogroups in their respective populations than Modern Macedonians -- yet we are referred to by them as "the Slavs" and they are "pure Aryans" and "pure Hellenes" -- racism at its finest, but not for long I would think.

If the results iGenea posts, accurately reflect Modern Macedonian and Modern Greek descendancy then any rational person would be forced to accept it.

I call bullshit.

Two million 'Greeks' were brought to Europe from Asia during the population exchanges. Half of those were Turkic in origin and the other half (Pontians) are racially Persio-kurdish. Today, their descendants make up half the Greek population. Why aren't they being accounted for?

The 'Greek' genetic sub-stratum has been proven to be sub-Saharan, yet this study makes no mention of this!!! Why?

Where is the Turkic representation? How can this study possibly fail to find a Turkic gene in the
Bulgarians, when even visibly, it is clear that many Bulgarians still carry Asiatic features?

For a thousand years, the Balkans was Roman. How has this study failed to find any Latin genetic traces in the populations?

Macedonians, please abandon the wet dream of ancient decent. This iGENEA organization is fleecing you all.

In the below thread, True Macedonian has uncovered enough evidence of Greek atrocities to bring the whole Greek house of cards down, yet we keep piss farting around with crap like this.

http://www.maknews.com/forum/general-discussions/macedonians-burned-to-death-by-modern-greeks-1908-t15317.html

More than half of modern "greece" was populated by Albanians. I would like to see the Albanians genetic tests and how they match up with modern "greece".

Post from iGENEA to 27.10.2008
http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=132&st=282

"A Proto Bulgarian DNA doesn't exist or hasn't been discovered. The bulgarian as a primitive tribe cannot be genetically differed. We have thracian, ancient macedonian, slav, hellenian and phoenician roots here."

Rita, even Turkey isn’t all that Turkic.

Indigenous Peoples in Turkey
Turk 28%
Phoenician 21%
Berber 11%
Hellenic People 10%
Teuton 10%
Slav 9%
Arabs 5%
Illyrian 4%
Jews 2%



This isn’t a “wet dream” Rita, these are the conclusions of iGenea’s genetic research, I'm just reporting them and we're discussing them. They may well prove to be incorrect, I can't say.



Post from iGENEA to 10.10.2008
http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=132&st=276

"You are talking about the Roman from Italy, don't you? This folk was a political folk, not a genetic folk. They didn't migrated like the germanic tribes around Europe, they stayed at Rom and distributed their culture, their military and some senators, but we didn't have a migration of Romans in Balkan.

The Roman have etruscian and itallic roots, which folks we find nowadays in some parts from Italy."

Post from iGENEA to 18.11.2008
http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=132&st=278

"Please differ between tribes, who really migrated and political kingdoms. Rome was a political kingdom, of course we had roman soldiers, but the majority were habitants from these countries. Roman didn't migrated like germanic tribes, this is the reason, we don't have "latin" roots here. In addition Roman were etrucians."

Note the lack of Romans or “Latins” in Italy itself.

Indigenous Peoples in Italy
Celtic 35%
Etruscan 20%
Teuton 12%
Italiotes 10%
Phoenician 10%
Slav 8%
Arabs 5%

You and your fellow Greek countrymen also claim there are no Macedonians in Macedonia. But we do exist.