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 Post subject: Father Tsarknias sentenced??
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2009 18:50 
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Can anyone confirm?

http://skeftomasteellhnika.blogspot.com ... _7151.html

He allegedly slapped a little boy back in 2002 and is now serving a 6 month sentence.

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Father Tsarknias is perfectly fine, and he is not in jail.


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if he were we should alert international media that a Macedonian human rights activist is arrested in Greece.

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Staro Selo says this story is a lie - so let's wait and see.


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Greek schoolteachers send in entire classrooms of kids to go to his house, shout insults and break his windows. They train their racists from a very young age in the garbage state of Ellada.


:-(( :-((

I pray that he is okay and at home.
He stayed with us at our house years ago and I will never forget the time we all spent with him...he's truly a hero.

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Sirma wrote:
Can anyone confirm?

http://skeftomasteellhnika.blogspot.com ... _7151.html

He allegedly slapped a little boy back in 2002 and is now serving a 6 month sentence.


Most of us can't read Greek, your link is useless.


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Staro Selo says this story is a lie - so let's wait and see.

Oh "old village" would know if he was. These criminals leave no stone unturned when it comes to on-going Neo Nazi acts of violence against anyone who declares ethnic Macedonian.

What do the police do? Look the other way or help them.

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This is a story of Tsarkinias being convicted for attacking a 12 year old boy for singing a popular Greek song.
A song that praises Macedonia.

It hurt the kids eye. 2 days in hospital. The parents sued Tsarknias

This is an event that happened in 1993, over 15 years ago ... that is the act.
The conviction may be recent though.

Not sure about the story, but the site looks like an extreme nationalistic blog. Pretty booring stuff


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This is a story of Tsarkinias being convicted for attacking a 12 year old boy for singing a popular Greek song.
A song that praises Macedonia.

It hurt the kids eye. 2 days in hospital. The parents sued Tsarknias

This is an event that happened in 1993, over 15 years ago ... that is the act.
The conviction may be recent though.

Not sure about the story, but the site looks like an extreme nationalistic blog. Pretty booring stuff


Koufalas - It is alleged that "Tsarknias" attacked the 12 year old boy. If this was actual it wouldn't take 15 years to reach the verdict. Why would it take so long? Were the Greek prosecutors gathering proof? I believe the doctor's report would have been sufficient in any western country! Why would a priest attack a kid for singing a song? I find this hard to believe. There must be items not mentioned in the report.

Comparison - My dad as a kid along with all of his whole family praised Macedonia also. The difference was that they were punished and beaten up by the Greeks for doing so. Every Greek Newcomer was a hero who reported Macedonians who mentioned the word "Macedonia". The "Hellenization" of all Macedonians was strictly on the Greeks agenda. All of the Macedonian names were re-christened "-ov" ot "-lakis" etc. Now will these Greeks ever be brought to justice and punished? I don't think so.

Koufalas' Comment - Hypocritical comment heard over and over by many Greeks who refuse to accept their mistakes. They are good at playing the "blaming" game.

Questions to all Greeks living in the West - Why do you declare yourselves as Greek-Americans, Greek-Australians, Greek-Canadians etc? Do any of the Americans, Australians, Canadians object to this as all of the Greeks do not originate from their countries and the majority of the Greeks have lived there for no longer than half a century?? Why are the Americans, Australians and Canadians willing to accept you and anyone else who wants to be a loyal citizen of their country?

Most Logical Answer - The Americans, Australians and Canadians are not racist. Everyone is allowed to declare themselves of what they choose. No one will be punished for doing so. Everyone is allowed to conserve and cherish their culture, language etc. Greece has a long way to go before they can be compared with these countries. I sometimes believe the only way they can realise how racist they really are is if they experience the same hardships all of the Macedonians and other minorities have gone and still are going through in Greece. I am fully sure the western countries such as America, Australia and Canada will never bring themselves to a level as low as Greek has.


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Let's keep an eye out for this.


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Let's keep an eye out for this.

I pretty sure Staro_Selo spoke with Father Tsarknias and Pavle yesterday. He'll let us know later on today.

Father Nikodim Tsarknias is a monk of the Orthodox Christian faith. He is a citizen of the Republic of Greece and is a member of the ethnic Macedonian minority of that country. He was an ordered member of the Greek Orthodox Church (the only church legal in Greece) from 1973 until 1991. Father Tsarknias served as a personal secretary to the Florina (Lerin) diocese's bishop, Augustine. Father Tsarknias opposed bishop Augustin's attempt to eradicate the Macedonian religious customs, which have been suppressed by the Greek government since it annexed part of Macedonia (Aegean Macedonia) in 1913.

After openly declaring his ethnic Macedonian identity in 1991, and having communicated with parishioners in the Macedonian language, he was dismissed from his ecclesiastical post in the diocese of Florina (Lerin). He assumed the same post in Edessa (Voden) but was subsequently dismissed there also. On March 11, 1992, he was expelled from the Greek Orthodox Church altogether. Because the Macedonian Orthodox Church is not recognized by the this church, or the Greek government, Father Tsarknias became an ordered member of the Macedonian Orthodox Church in the Republic of Macedonia. Although he has no church in which to carry out religious services, Father Tsarknis continues to provide for the religious needs of his parishioners in their homes, at their call.

He has been continually harassed by Greek government officials in an attempt to stop his activities. He is under constant observation by the Greek secret police, the K.I.P. He has been subpoenaed over twenty times to answer the charge of "falsely impersonating a priest". Several human rights organizations and international observers have attended the trials of Father Tsarknias.

* "On May 10, 1994 Amnesty International wrote to the Greek government expressing concern for the Archimandrite and his sister Maria who on May 4 were beaten by Greek border guardswhen crossing the border check point at Nikki (Negochani) between the towns of Bitola in the Republic of Macedonia and Florina (Lerin) in Greece (Aegean Macedonia)."

"Amnesty International stated 'Archimandrite Tsarknias was arrested and sent to the Regional Office of the Department of Defence in Florina (Lerin) for further interrogation. Hecollapsed there and was transferred to the General Hospital of Florina for medical treatment. It is not clear on what charges he was arrested; however the charges were later dropped and he wasreleased.'"

"Amnesty International stated that it believed that the human rights of the Archimandrite and his sister had 'been violated by the Greek authorities purely because of their non-violent activities on behalf of the Macedonian minority in Greece.'"

"Harassment of the Archimandrite continues. On May 11 he was again unable to leave Greece to visit Canada and was told that his safe passage across the Greek border could not be assured. On June 18 he was due to appear in court at Edessa (Voden) on charges of misrepresenting religious authority but the trial was postponed due to a lawyer's strike."

"Outside the courtside the Archimandrite and his sister Stoyanka were physically assaulted by Greek police and taken to the General Hospital where medical staff verbally abused them anda male nurse attempted to choke him." 3

Although his life has been threatened on several occasions and he must constantly defend himself in court, Father Tsarknias continues to fight for the religious, cultural, and linguistic rights of the Macedonian minority in Greece.

To this day, the Greek government continues its policy of trying to eradicate anything Macedonian. The 300 year old cemetary at St. George's church in the village of Gorno Pozharsko (Greek name - Ano Loutraki) was destroyed in May, 1998. The old Macedonian church has been left in ruins while a new Greek church was built on the site of the old cemetary. The following picture shows the demolished Macedonian tombstones beside the new Greek church.

http://the-macedonian-tendency.blogspot ... knias.html

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Отецот Царкњас осуден на шест месеци затвор

Македонскиот отец Никодим Царкњас е осуден на шест месеци затвор поради тоа што наводно пред седум години удрил дете што пеело грчка национална песна. Грчкиот второстепен суд во Лерин минатата седмица ја потврди одлуката на Основниот суд според која Царкњас е осуден, со образложение дека се обидувал да го убие 12-годишното момче. Ова вчера го потврди и самиот отец Царкњас, кој негира дека кренал рака на детето и тврди дека е жртва на грчката националистичка политика кон Македонците. За да не биде принуден да ја одлежи казната, Царкњас платил 1.800 евра.

- Во близината на куќата се собираа околу 20 деца што ни викаа „скопјани бегајте“, фрлаа со камења и пееја националистички грчки песни. Едното го дофатив и го прашав кој му е татко, а тоа рече дека нема родители. Но не е точно дека го удрив - тврди Царкњас.

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/Deskto ... leID=20508

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Father Tsarknias is at home in occupied Greece.

From the early 1990's the Greek Orthodox Church aka government, police and local schools have tried to FORCE him to react act in defence out so they can write negative information about him. (pre planned)

The windows of his home have been broken more then a dozen times with police acting as on lookers and supporters "we no see nothing mister".

This OLD REPORT was about a bunch of local punks chanting racial slogans, throwing eggs and stones at his home and one young boy was related to him (the ear tug). The church, government and police reward these cowards for their illegal actions against him and his family.

If you asked the Greek Orthodox Church the reason he was defrocked they'll tell you "his life style" is the ONLY reason. If indeed that was true then 50% of priests in Greece MUST be defrocked unless they're ... hypocrites of the worst kind, you name it they've tried it.

See secret case(s) of Metropolitan Archbishop Sotirios and Father Nikola of
North America. (Hollywood)


Greece is NOT above the laws of God and one day we will see with our own eye for an eye.

Q. Are there any gays or lesbians within the Pan Macedonian Organization? Greek government? Police? Teachers?

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Koufalas wrote:
This is a story of Tsarkinias being convicted for attacking a 12 year old boy for singing a popular Greek song.
A song that praises Macedonia.

It hurt the kids eye. 2 days in hospital. The parents sued Tsarknias

This is an event that happened in 1993, over 15 years ago ... that is the act.
The conviction may be recent though.

Not sure about the story, but the site looks like an extreme nationalistic blog. Pretty booring stuff


A few corrections based on what has been reported in Greece:
a) The event allegedly took place in 2002 not 1993 so it is not related to the 2007 vandalism incidents.
b) On the 10th of this month Tsarknias lost his appeal against the lower court decision. He can of course appeal all the way to the Supreme Court (Arios Pagos for such cases - Greece has 3 separate Supreme Courts) but the appeal court decision is usually enforced (until - and if - it is reversed on final appeal). Keep in mind that 7 years from offense to appeal court decision for some small bodily injury is not unusual in the oversubscribed Greek judicial system. The original primary court decision of course could not have taken that long.
c) One can be fairly confident that for such an offence and given prior good behaviour the 6 month sentence is convertible to a fine (as the Nova Makedonija piece confirms).

The only original source for this story in Greece BTW so far is the online zougla.gr news portal which is an actual (very sensationalist) news outfit (usually likes to uncover scandals) and not a nationalistic or not blog - though it comes as no surprise that a lot of blogs have picked up the news.
The head journalist in the zougla/kitrinos typos team is a rather infamous person in Greek public life and as of late a public supporter of the "anarchists" wreaking havoc all over Athens and Solun.


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Светскиот Македонски Конгрес изразува загриженост поради шестмесечната казна затвор за Архимандритот Царкњас од страна на грчкиот суд, оценувајќи ја како груба провокација против верските слободи и националните права на Македонците во Грција.

“Светскиот Македонски Конгрес од грчкиот Апелационен суд бара мерки за поништување на првостепената судска пресуда, а од јавното обивинителство очекува пријави против групата млади хулигани и нивните ментори кои минатата година пеејќи нацистички песни пред куќата на архинмандритот Никодим Царкњас и кршејќи му ги со камен прозорците на куќата се обидоа да го заплашат и него и Македонците во остварувањето на верските слободи и националните права во Грција“, се вели во соопштението на СМК.

Македонците во целиот свет упатуваат безрезервна поддршка на праведната борба на армихамндритот Никодим Царкњас за македонските права и слободи во Грција.

http://www.netpress.com.mk/vest.asp?id= ... tegorija=1

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Makedonska_Kafana wrote:
See secret case(s) of Metropolitan Archbishop Sotirios and Father Nikola of
North America. (Hollywood)
Come on Alex, you shouldn't criticize your local priest.

Makedonska_Kafana wrote:
Q. Are there any gays or lesbians within the Pan Macedonian Organization? Greek government? Police? Teachers?

SHOULD THEY ALL BE FIRED?
I imagine there are gays in most organizations that are large enough, except for fringe groups like those "God Hates Fags" lunatics in the U.S. Don't know if there is an equivalent group in Greece.

No, they shouldn't be fired.


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Sotirios and his son-in-law Father (to many) Nikola have no right belonging to ANY church. The ONLY reason Nikola returned to a church he was removed from was that he was ready to tell ALL (made for television) and that didn't sit well with the ex father-in-law.

When Nick started the funeral home he did so with a plan which never played out before the doors were closed.

Two crocked stiffs flying the mile high club on Olympic Airlines.

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Aman be dosta e so predavnici Makedonci, koj ksmet sme go fatile nie Makedoncite da ima tolku predavnici megju nas!
Bog da chuva i da brani! Daj Boze pomogni!


Eve sto se slucuva so Tsarknias...


Царкњас: Грчкиот суд не ми дозволи да се бранам

„Нејќеа ни да ме сослушаат. Главната судијка не им дозволуваше на моите сведоци да раскажат што навистина се случило. Пресудата да ме пратат во затвор веќе беше донесена“, изјавува за „Дневник“ архимандритот Никодим Царкњас.


„Не можат, вели тој, на друг начин да ја запрат мојата борба за правата на Македонците, па посегнаа и по ова“, објаснува Царкњас кому второстепениот грчки суд му изрече шестмесечната затворска казна за наводниот физички напад врз дете.

Тој во неговиот дом во Соботско, во близина на Воден, деновиве го очекува писменото судско образложение на пресудата.

Потоа, со неговиот бранител ќе решат што ќе прават по процесот за кој Царкњас тврди дека е класичен пример за монтиран процес. Една од водечките фигури и симбол на движењето на Македонците од Егејска Македонија за остварување на националните и политичките права беше обвинет дека пред седум години претепал 12-годишно дете во близина на својот дом.

Тоа беше само еден од неколкуте инциденти што се случија последниве години во кои групи момчиња ја каменуваа неговата куќа поради неговата промакедонска дејност.

Денешен „Дневник“ пишува како пред седум години група од петнаесетина момчиња, пеејќи ја националистичката песна „Прочуена Македонија“ и со извици „Скопјани бегајте“, со камења гаѓале кон неговиот дом. Царкњас излегол од куќата за да ги запре, при што фатил едно од момчињата за да дознае кои му се родителите.

„Ништо не му направив. Само го фатив за рака и го прашав кои му се таткото и мајката. Нејќеше да каже и јас го однесов во полициската станица. Тоа ме клоцаше по пат. Таму, полицајците ми рекоа дека немало потреба да доаѓам бидејќи тие ќе дошле. Го зедоа детето и го викнаа татко му. Кога тој дојде, од ходникот слушнав како полицајците му зборуваат: „Го знаеме него, автономист е, да го осудиме“. Во записникот потоа беше запишано дека сум сакал да го отепам детето“ раскажува Никодим Царкњас.



Судскиот процес што се водеше сите овие години, според него, беше посебна приказна.

„Судијката не дозволуваше да се слушне ниту еден аргумент. Кога сведочеше мојата сестра, судијката не и' дозволи да каже ништо за тоа како се случил настанот. Ја праша само дали е од православна вера и толку. Дури поставуваше прашања со кои директно кажуваше дека јас сум го удрил детето, на што ние реагиравме. Освен ова, на судењето не беше доставен ниту еден документ дека детето е повредено“, вели архимандритот кој последниве години гради прва македонска црква во Соботско во која извршува верски служби.

Тој досега потрошил околу 60.000 евра за судските процеси што се водат во Грција против него.

Врз неговата куќа во април минатата година се случил напад, при што беа искршени прозорците и оштетена фасадата.

Нападот го извеле малолетници од блиското средно училиште, кои со повици му порачувале „да си оди во Македонија“.

„Тешко ми паѓа и тоа што зад тужбата стојат луѓето што се Македонци. Родителите на тоа дете ми се и далечни роднини, бидејќи таткото на детето е прв братучед на снаа ми, сопругата на мојот постар брат. Тој и неговата жена сведочеа дека детето е повредено, а што не е вистина. Имаше и некои други сведоци - Македонци. Тие соработуваат со властите“ вели Царкњас.



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 Post subject: Re: Father Tsarknias sentenced??
PostPosted: 19 Mar 2009 22:50 
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Staro Selo, can you clear this up for us? The media is reporting that Tsarknias has been sentenced to six months in prison.


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