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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2009 05:27 
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We already know what the reaction will be from MHRMI. AMHRC and WORLD MACEDONIAN CONGRESS. What we're not 100% sure of is what the Macedonian Orthodox Church, United Macedonians and UMD will do, send memo's?

It's one thing to say with words you do not support it and another to take prompt action. Don't wait until its to late .. be prepared now and let them know there will be a heavy price.

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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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This Is The Last Straw! End Name Talks Now!

My fellow Macedonians, we must unite behind this recent and most grevious act by the hellenenes to disregard our existence! Enough is Enough! Write your representitives at once and demand an immediate withdrawal from these name negotiations! The very fact that we sit at the table with these bastards legitimizes their position! There Is No Name Issue! It has been invented by the hellenenes to get rid of us! Wake Up!

It's Later Than You Think!

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Makedonska_Kafana wrote:
We already know what the reaction will be from MHRMI. AMHRC and WORLD MACEDONIAN CONGRESS. What we're not 100% sure of is what the Macedonian Orthodox Church, United Macedonians and UMD will do, send memo's?

It's one thing to say with words you do not support it and another to take prompt action. Don't wait until its to late .. be prepared now and let them know there will be a heavy price.


There is no way UMD will sign something like this.

The position of UMD is that negotiations are necessary for membership, and that the number 1 priority for Macedonia right now is membership.

I can't see UMD signing a petition, asking the government to end these negotiations, even though most Macedonians "in the diaspora" want them to end now, and even though they are a direct attack on our peoples right to self determination. UMD is too busy meaneavering itself, and playing poltics to take a principled position on this issue.


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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Christoff wrote:
This Is The Last Straw! End Name Talks Now!

My fellow Macedonians, we must unite behind this recent and most grevious act by the hellenenes to disregard our existence! Enough is Enough! Write your representitives at once and demand an immediate withdrawal from these name negotiations! The very fact that we sit at the table with these bastards legitimizes their position! There Is No Name Issue! It has been invented by the hellenenes to get rid of us! Wake Up!

It's Later Than You Think!


I agree. Its very late in the game.

The Macedonian people have been betrayed !

By reopening the issue, by going to a second referendum, it means that Gruevski has rejected the first referendum, (September 1991).

Our right to self determination, has been cut down, by our own government !

Why reject one referendum, and have a second one ?? If it goes to a second referendum, the Albanians will have the final say (think about that !).


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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Christoff wrote:
This Is The Last Straw! End Name Talks Now!

My fellow Macedonians, we must unite behind this recent and most grevious act by the hellenenes to disregard our existence! Enough is Enough! Write your representatives at once and demand an immediate withdrawal from these name negotiations! The very fact that we sit at the table with these bastards legitimizes their position! There Is No Name Issue! It has been invented by the hellenenes to get rid of us! Wake Up!

It's Later Than You Think!

BRAVO !!

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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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Christoff wrote:
This Is The Last Straw! End Name Talks Now!

My fellow Macedonians, we must unite behind this recent and most grevious act by the hellenenes to disregard our existence! Enough is Enough! Write your representitives at once and demand an immediate withdrawal from these name negotiations! The very fact that we sit at the table with these bastards legitimizes their position! There Is No Name Issue! It has been invented by the hellenenes to get rid of us! Wake Up!

It's Later Than You Think!



Yeh...lol...end talks now and we can come up with a name for you ourselves
If you think that because 100,000 letters( which i dont believe for a second) werent posted and that stopped 96,000 people from voting for you, then you guys are more deluded then i thought!!!
I mean seriously people...COMMON


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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yunani wrote:
Yeh...lol...end talks now and we can come up with a name for you ourselves


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2009 21:30 
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MHRMI wrote:
Please see MHRMI and AMHRC press release:

http://www.mhrmi.org/news/2009/june20_e.asp

We outline the voting irregularities against Vinozhito, the neo-Nazi incident in Athens, and the "Northern Macedonia" comment by the EC.

MHRMI and AMHRC call on:

1. The European Union to reprimand Greece and enforce its ECHR judgments
2. Macedonia to cease all negotiations with Greece over the name dispute
3. Immediate international recognition of Macedonia's constitutional name


You guys have a made 3 excellent points. Thank you :macedonia


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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Christoff wrote:
This Is The Last Straw! End Name Talks Now!

My fellow Macedonians, we must unite behind this recent and most grevious act by the hellenenes to disregard our existence! Enough is Enough! Write your representitives at once and demand an immediate withdrawal from these name negotiations! The very fact that we sit at the table with these bastards legitimizes their position! There Is No Name Issue! It has been invented by the hellenenes to get rid of us! Wake Up!

It's Later Than You Think!


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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yunani wrote:
Christoff wrote:
This Is The Last Straw! End Name Talks Now!

My fellow Macedonians, we must unite behind this recent and most grevious act by the hellenenes to disregard our existence! Enough is Enough! Write your representitives at once and demand an immediate withdrawal from these name negotiations! The very fact that we sit at the table with these bastards legitimizes their position! There Is No Name Issue! It has been invented by the hellenenes to get rid of us! Wake Up!

It's Later Than You Think!



Yeh...lol...end talks now and we can come up with a name for you ourselves
If you think that because 100,000 letters( which i dont believe for a second) werent posted and that stopped 96,000 people from voting for you, then you guys are more deluded then i thought!!!
I mean seriously people...COMMON


How old are you 12? Get a life Yunan.


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2009 22:09 
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yunani wrote:
Christoff wrote:
This Is The Last Straw! End Name Talks Now!

My fellow Macedonians, we must unite behind this recent and most grevious act by the hellenenes to disregard our existence! Enough is Enough! Write your representitives at once and demand an immediate withdrawal from these name negotiations! The very fact that we sit at the table with these bastards legitimizes their position! There Is No Name Issue! It has been invented by the hellenenes to get rid of us! Wake Up!

It's Later Than You Think!



Yeh...lol...end talks now and we can come up with a name for you ourselves
If you think that because 100,000 letters( which i dont believe for a second) werent posted and that stopped 96,000 people from voting for you, then you guys are more deluded then i thought!!!
I mean seriously people...COMMON


100,000 letters could have amounted to 1,000,000 votes yunani.

If we don't really exist and Vinozhito has no support, why then not send the letters?

Why so scared of a non existent peoples within a country of a truly homogeneous race?

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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
PostPosted: 26 Jun 2009 00:53 
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so what your telling me is that from a possible 1,000,000 votes
the rainbow party only recieved 4,000 because the letters werent posted
What youi are saying is that your people needed to have the letters to vote.
They are the only people in the entire face of the world which needed the dvd and whatever else was in their to be able to go to the ballot bow and vote for their party.
It sounds a little bit funny to me...any logical person would be able to see that
In sydney we dont get mail drops from the parties we vote for..i dont know guys just try and look at this with an open mind


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
PostPosted: 26 Jun 2009 00:56 
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trueM,
why does my comment bother you?
I think its actually very logical..it would be impossible if there were 100,000
letters surely they would have gotten more then 4000 votes...think about it


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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Yunan what am I ethnically?


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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If you apply a simple formula of say having a 10% response rate to the marketing campaign. Vinozito would have obtained a vote of some 15000. Now compare this to the previous elections where they gained 5000 votes. It would lead one to question where the other 150% of voters came from. Needless to say, the turn out is not a major issue, what is important is that non existent Ethnic Macedonians showed up out of the blue to vote.


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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Quoting former communist politicians as evidence? :lol

Better yet, politicians whose foreign policy and diplomatic skills are on par with the bikini modelling skills of Borat.

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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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And if they are not communists, then they have been paid to say these things right!!!!
The communists are the ones who made the " macedonian" passport
You should be thankful to the communists for creating your country


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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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These people represent your country
A small percentage who are brave enough to tell the truth
Im not expecting you to accept and admit what they are saying is true because if you do the total reason for your existence will be shattered and you will be forced to accept that indeed you are descendants of slavs.
What about all the evidence my friend????does this not count?
Or are we going to use the "greece destroyed all the evidence" line again?
seriously


Yeah, they are so brave that they need their daughters to marry rich "greek" businessmen and to buy them 10,000 Euro watches for them speak the truth. :lol

What about the mountain of evidence that says you are Albanian/Turkish/Vlach? That is conveniently overlooked now, isn't it?

You "greeks" dont understand blood, do you? That is why you dont recognise the several independent DNA tests that prove us right and you pathetic fools so very very wrong.

Walk away from the Slav Migration Theory, slep. More Macedonian blood runs through our veins than yours.

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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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no ancient macedoniean blood runs through modern greeks, they also have more "slavic" in their gene pool than us, most of their immediate ancestors couldnt speak greek and the ones who did often spoke it because they were taught it at a church school.

there is no denying that tm posts have proved conclusively how little ellenismo existed in the territories of ancient greece even less in macedonia as little as 150 and 100 years ago respectively. they are the result of western idealism racist ideology and geo political considerations. there is no hellenic continuity outside academia and greek turkish style coffee shops.

their stirring the shit in macedonia has been the best thing they could have done to discredit themselves, they shoud have let sleeping dogs lie, but they couldnt there hubris and insecurites their guilt their self loathing drove them to dig their own grave. i hope i live long enough to see the fruits of their labours.

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 Post subject: Re: “HELLENIC POST” SABBOTAGES EFA-RAINBOW (VINOZITO)
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osiris wrote:
no ancient macedoniean blood runs through modern greeks, they also have more "slavic" in their gene pool than us, most of their immediate ancestors couldnt speak greek and the ones who did often spoke it because they were taught it at a church school.

there is no denying that tm posts have proved conclusively how little ellenismo existed in the territories of ancient greece even less in macedonia as little as 150 and 100 years ago respectively. they are the result of western idealism racist ideology and geo political considerations. there is no hellenic continuity outside academia and greek turkish style coffee shops.

their stirring the shit in macedonia has been the best thing they could have done to discredit themselves, they shoud have let sleeping dogs lie, but they couldnt there hubris and insecurites their guilt their self loathing drove them to dig their own grave. i hope i live long enough to see the fruits of their labours.


Very true Osiris. The fact that some 20th century newcomers (christian Turks,Pontis,etc)make ludicrous claims to ancient peoples is absolutely absurd.


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