Voya,
I think you should attribute your previous statement to Poverty, not Ethnicity.

Tuka si u pravo no mojot bes kon niv nema nikogas da zgasne

Sure it is different. But Byzantines, who initally labelled all as SCLAVINI, later mention the names of specific SLAVIC TRIBES. If they were mere invaders, how on eart they became tribes ?

All the Worls accepts the Slavic Migration and the fact that Bulgarians and Macedonians are the mix of indigenous populations with Slavs. Slavs were the predominant element, hence the language. Macedonian and Bulgarian are South Slavic languages being most closely related, according to all, even to the 'accursed' BRITANNICA. Macedonian and Bulgarian are less kin to Serbian, it is a more complicated South Slavic language.
I will not continue discussion on the above. They have been posted here 100 times. You the Macedonians disagree with the whole world. May be God spent more time making you wise.


I personally do not live in someone else's house. My father built it himself. He was a city dueller, he did not settle in the villages.
But a lot, more than 500.000 Greek refugees from Asia Minor were settled in the houses of Turks and Bulgarians exchanged with Greeks after the Lausanne (1923) and Neilly(1920) Treaties respectively. World-wide known facts !
For your information, the assets (houses, factories etc) that the Greeks left in Bulgarian and Asia Minor had a much higher value than the respective Bulgarian and Turkish assets.

As for Bulgarians being to a great extent Macedonians, my opinion is that your small numbers today (1.319.000 according to CIA Factbook in a country of 2.055.000 ) leads you to think of imaginary brothers forced to convert to Bulgarianism.

As for Albania, it is the one of most ethnically homogenous country.
From CIA Factbook :
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Population 3,600,523 (July 2007 est.)
Population Breakdown
Albanian 95%, Greek 3%, other 2% (Vlach, Roma (Gypsy), Serb, Macedonian, Bulgarian) (1989 est.)
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Hence Macedonians are included in that 2% equaling 3.6 X 0.02 = 72.000

Vlachs are the most numerous. Nevertheless to facilitate matters, assuming Vlacs=Roma=Serb=Macedonian and Bulgarian=zero, we have :
18.000 Macedonians.

My impression about large numbers is quite different .......

ANYHOW, THE DISCUSSION HAS GONE ASTRAY.

It is about WHO the Albanians are. There is some controversy, as seen from BRITANNICA, but the Caucasus transportation myth sounds funny in the mouths of people denying the Slavic Migrations on logistic reasons.

I will not post any more on the issue, it is loss of time. The problem is that today Albanians are a concrete nation. Caucasian or Himalayan, they exist here for 1000 years under this name.

As for the singing about 3 mil Albanians in Greece, well, we have equally crazy people here in Greece :
You can find "super-Greeks" chanting that Istanbul is ...Greek and Izmir is the ...East province of the Greek State.

Such picturesque fools are good : We have to relax laughing form time to time.

And a quote from this site :
"JUSTINIAN
Latin in full Flavius Justinianus, original name Petrus Sabbatius Byzantine emperor (527–565), noted for his administrative reorganization of the imperial government and for his sponsorship of a codification of laws known as the Codex Justinianus (534).

Early career.
Justinian was a Latin-speaking Illyrian and was born of peasant stock. Justinianus was a Roman name that he took from his uncle, the emperor Justin I, to whom he owed his advancement."

I fail to see UPRAVDA.....

POMAK in Turkish mean "helper". Pomaks were used in the Ottoman Empire as auxilliary troops, hence the name.

They actually speak a Bulgarian dialect, peppered with Turkish and less with Greek.

In Greece, due to the idiotic policy of the Greek Govt after WW-2, they are united with the Turks of the Moslem minority of Western Thrace.
(Minority breakdown estimation: Turks 50%, Pomaks 30%, Gypsies 20%).

Good.....because i fail to see ISTOK....and that was his uncle JUSTINS real name.

I dont trust Britannica or Oxford or any of that bullshit....these are people who would call themselves Brits yet deny the fact that Macedonians are what they claim to be....they can lick my nut sack.

Pomoz in Macedonian means help....and im pretty sure in most Slavonic languages the word is similar.

Yeah, in Slovak it is 'pomoc' and in Serbian 'pomoć'.



If you check Wikipedia you'll find Uprauda. You'll also find Istok for Justin. Both of the names are just translations of Slavic words into Latin when they became emperors. Because most western scholars were/are ignorant of Slavic language they cannot make objective judgment of Slavic history. And even those who knew still kept their mentality.
I work at the county library and my colleagues there, seasoned librarians, agree with me full heartedly that west knows very little about us and understands our ways and mentality even less. They know this because they are in contact with many western books which are grotesquely awry when it comes to Slavic history. The Slavic scholars on the other hand cannot say NO to their western colleagues so they follow their dogma. Luckily all that is changing because the researches that have been done are now being acknowledged. Especially the Serbs and Russians who are against the western and in fact the entire World's view on their history. Problem of 'going against the West' is not a problem at all as some of our neighbors think because to us it has become like saying Good Morning and in fact not 'going against the West' is seen as fear and naivety. I cannot disagree with this view as it is a rightful one and shows great mental maturity, at least when it is reasonable. It is anti-dogmatic and progressive and that is something only ignorant fools cannot acknowledge.

Im no historian,anthropologist or anything that involves a formal education:))But even i can see the bias and blatant arrogance of these Western "scholars"....just look at them Slovak....these Anglo Saxons have the nerve to name their encyclopedia BRITANNICA....and to call themselves BRITISH...how dare they:))))

When William the Conqueror attacked the Saxons with his Viking allies and won England was born. But what British historians forget to mention is that the ships he used to sail across the English channel and a small army that fought along side him was from the Slavic lands near the Baltic sea. But I fail to see where they give them credit for helping them create their country.

I didnt know that...im gonna try and find out more about it.

another interesting vignette from our slovak brother

[url]2.Can anyone point me to an Illyrian tribe calling itself SHQIP?Forget Albanian....that is not what they call themselves....any Shqips?Or mention of Shqiperia?[/url]
You have no idea about Albanian history - can you name me an unbias book on Albanians that you have read?

The term "Shqiptar" is a term used more recently by Albanians (the term and its origins have a numer of theories)prior to that the term Arberor or Arberesh was used - the term that Albanians who migrated to Italy and Southern Greece over 600 years ago still use to call themselves...



Was his name translated from Slavic to Roman or from Roman to slavic?



ahh typical closed minded racist comment... I feel sorry for you...
here you might enjoy some youtube propaganda...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3BGrQYhKI



Who murdered your friends grandpa?


Well acccording to your theory that we marry reletives then that would make us look similar wouldn't you say? But then you go on and say that we all look different I dunno i'm confused...



ALBANIAN 1.01
Shqip = Albanian Language
Shqiponje = Eagle
Shqiperi = Albania or Land of the Eagle

Now a simple explenation would be that Albanias tend to live in high altitudes similar to Eagles... have a think and let me know...



That bloke is neither Albanian or Macedonian he is most likely Roma or gypsie.. there are quite a few in Ohrid and I know a few of them myself the reason they say they are Albanian is because their mother tounge is Albanian they have lost all connection with the Roma language unlike the roma from Skopje and some in Prilep. All roma in Ohrid,Struga,Resen and Bitola speak Albanian as their mother language...although its more of a mix with many macedonian/turkish words..

You are right, there is many Roma in Ohrid and Western Macedonia who call themselves Albanians or Turks, the Roma do this because they do not have a state of their own, the Roma in Prilep, Bitola and Skopje call themselves Romany but they are like us Macedonians they hate each other and divide themselves between Prilepcani, Bitolcani and Skopjani.

The Romany do this in every country they live in, I guess hundred's of year's prosecution and looked down upon has made them feel low and people do look at them with mistrust.

I have many Romany friends in Australia who are from Macedonia and they are good people, yes they call themselves Macedonian when asked what they are but they stay true to their heritage and only say they are Macedonian because they are stateless and not many people know they are a race.


PS: you said bloke in your first sentence, are you from Australia?

si je bre Albo lol

You say the roma, gypsies, became albanians because they lost all connection to their language.. I say they became albanians because of their religion.

Macedonian muslims also assumilated because religion..

Seriously, can't you make the math yourself?
If his first name was Slavic before he became an Emperor, before he even started attending school, then his imperial name is a translation from his first name i.e. Slavic to Roman.

Albo....why do some Albanians call themselves Shqiptar?You still havent answered....Slovak answered...but you havent.....whats your theory?

Arber doesnt sound like ALBAN to me...i can see how Arvan can be traced to Arber....but how do you go from Arber to Alban?Im not saying that one isnt a corruption of the orther or visa versa....but wtf?

ALBANIA means nothing more than 'white mountins". There is MONTENEGRO and there is MONTEALBO. THere is no such ethnicity as 'albanians'.Arberesh or Arvaniti maybe but Albanians...sorry,no...

These two statements are completely false

How could they lose all connection with their heritage and mother language when one of the biggest Roma settlements is not even 20 minutes away from Struga/Ohrid.

Novo Selo is almost completely Roma, and the only reason a Roma would speak Albanian is to converse with others at a Mosque or for commerce, there are a great deal more that speak Macedonian as a means of school and interaction in the Struga charshija and especially in Ohrid where there are less than 20% Albanians, Struga may have around 50-55% Albanians but the Roma still learn primarily Macedonian, and most maintain their Roma language.

After the battle of Kosovo the Turks settled many Muslim warriors in the remote regions of the balkans, granting them fiefs.

But to keep the Turks in check the Ottoman administration settled thousands of Yenicheri (Janniseries) in the remoter and more mountainous balkan regions such as Albania. These Yenicheri were essentially a Slave Army brought from all corners of the Ottoman empire mostly Christian but Muslim too.

L.S Stavrionos writes about the Yenicheri..."In order to distinguish thme from other troops the slave guards (guards of officials and fief holders) were provided with tall white caps, which later became the distincitve head gear of the Yenicheri".

Modern day Albanians are the descendants of Ottoman Yenicheri - they have no single origin.