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 Post subject: Albania VS Caucassus Albania
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2008 22:50 
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http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... onyms.html

Check that link, i think most gonna like it, and Albs prob don't have an answer for it. Thanks ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Albania VS Caucassus Albania
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Voya wrote:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/albanian_toponyms.html

Check that link, i think most gonna like it, and Albs prob don't have an answer for it. Thanks ;)


It is indicative, in deed.

thanx voya

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21 words some of them debatable as pointed, out of 30 000 in a language.If thats all i wouldnt take it seriously

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It states that this they are just a few, not 23 from 30 000. The very few of them. ;)


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these words are not just random. they are words which they use to describe their ethnic group, language and people.

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MKD wrote:
these words are not just random. they are words which they use to describe their ethnic group, language and people.


yep, that would be the hell of a coincidence if they are just random overlap of those words, which I doubt.

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21 words some of them debatable as pointed, out of 30 000 in a language.If thats all i wouldnt take it seriously

You should compare the 21 place names with other place names, so it wouldn't be 30 000, it would be perhaps 21 out of 1000.


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Republic of Albania The Caucasus Additional Notes

Arnauti Arnauti
Bushati Bushati also the name of an Albanian tribe
Baboti Baboti
Baka Bako
Ballagati Balagati
Ballaj, Balli Bali
Bashkimi Bashkoi
Bathore Batharia
Bater Bataris
Geg Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.

Demir-Kapia Demir Kapia Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea

Kish, Kisha... Kish Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish"

Kurata, Kuratem, Kurateni (villages) Kura (river) Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura"
Luginasi Lugini
Rusani Rusian the relation of these two is up for debate
Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani Shashani
Sheshaj, Sheshi Sheshleti
Skalla Skaleri
Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, Shkepi Albanians call themselves this name in their language

Shkoder Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda Shkoder is a major lake in Albania
Shekulli Shekouli
Skuraj Skuria


I really can't belive this caucasian rubbish... do many of you actually belive it?

These words have very very little if anything in common at all... its a total joke... do any of you know what the word in Albanian means at all?

Look i'll go through a few to pvove this is utter crap...

AL CAU

Arnauti Arnauti

First of all Albanians don't even use this word at all-it a Turkic term..

Bushati Bushati also the name of an Albanian tribe
Oh this must be where G.W BUSHati is from...?U might be onto somethin here :lol:

Baka Bako
Not even same word - What do any of these words mean?

Ballaj, Balli Bali
Hang on you have it all wrong we are not from the east but from the far South-East.. BALI/Indonesia :clap:

Bashkimi Bashkoi
Well lest just change 3 letters and see what other word we can come up with...? :roll:

Bater Bataris
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Geg Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.
The way you say it in Albanian is Gehg not GEG...

Demir-Kapia Demir Kapia Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea

Ok then how do we explain the Demir Kapia/e in Macedonia then? where is the sea? :D

Kish, Kisha... Kish Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish"

Well the reason why 8 different topynoms exist with the word Kish might be due to the fact that Kish in albanian means CHURCH.. think about that for a sec...

Kurata, Kuratem, Kurateni (villages) Kura (river) Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura"

Well on my map of Albaia I can only find 1 begining with "KURA" and 2 more with "KUR" but as i switch over to my map of RoM we find "KURtica,KURfalija,KURidere,KURija and KURtamzali .... how do we explain the "KUR" factor here then?

Luginasi Lugini
This word simply means Valley.. but i have no idea what Lugini mens..do you?

Rusani Rusian - the relation of these two is up for debate Oh it sure is...

Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani Shashani
Sheshaj, Sheshi Sheshleti

SHESH in Albanian simply means "flat field" but I ave no idea how you can link all this up simply because of "SHESH" of in some cases only "SH"

In RoM there are the villages of Shishevo,Shemshevo,Sheshkovo,Shashavralija... They must come from there also...

Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, Shkepi Albanians call themselves this name in their language
Hehe I love this one I'm now no longer a Shqiptar but a "SHIPYAKI" You sure I'm not from Japan?? :lol:

Shkoder Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda Shkoder is a major lake in Albania Yes I belive it is...

Shekulli Shekouli
Shekulli means century don't even think its a topynom at all...

Look Thats it I'm sorry if i have sounded like a smart arse but really come on this is total crap... I know you wish we were from that region but I'm sorry to dissapoint you...
Its Ok we can all live on the same land together - Its not mine more than yours or yours more than mine its OURS...


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Albo, none of us here wish you Albanians are foreign settlers on Balkans.

WE KNOW YOU ARE!!!

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Ok then Slovak can you please tell me from where???


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If there isn't a connection with the Circassians, I will be amazed.
You can't have them identified by Misirkov as the scourge of the Balkans and then have them disappear.

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albanian DNA is caucasian DNA
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=u3IIYuXAaUk

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who are these people then

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3BGrQYh ... re=related

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Albo wrote:
Ok then Slovak can you please tell me from where???


Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no... Albo. I am not going to tell you. You see if I do tell you, you will make an excuse why it isn't true and try to debate with me over it and I have no intention of debating with you. I know what kind of a debater you are from your posts, so I'm not going to waste my time one you.

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Wow!! I mean really, wow!
I like the fact that the person who posted the video used rhythm and blues/ soul music. I like the irony.

But doesn't anyone think the author of the powerpoint presentation above should have used this:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw

oops! The singer is a "Mongol-Slav" and a shkja.

Hey Albo here is someone who was white.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=OwARpaKHx_w


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Albo, i'll tell you from where you are. At least, i will give you a advice. Try to find Ancient Roman map on the internet. Look somewhere east of Asia Minor, north of Ermenia. You will see a place called Albania. Cya arround ;)


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I dont know if Albanians are Illyrians from the Balkans or settlers from the region around the Caspian...but ive been thinking and reading.

Plutarch says..........
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33 Pompey then invaded Armenia on the invitation of young Tigranes, who was now in revolt from his father, and who met Pompey near the river Araxes, which takes its rise in the same regions as the Euphrates, but turns towards the east and empties into the Caspian Sea.http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historic ... a_1849.jpg 2 These two, then, marched forward together, receiving the submission of the cities as they passed; King Tigranes, however, who had recently been crushed by Lucullus, but now learned that Pompey was rather mild and gentle in his disposition, received a Roman garrison into his palace, and taking with him his friends and kindred, set out of his own accord to surrender himself. 3 When he rode up to the Roman camp, two of Pompey's lictors came to him and bade him dismount from his horse and go on foot; for no man mounted on horseback had ever been seen in a Roman camp. Tigranes, accordingly, not only obeyed them in this, but also unloosed his sword and gave it to them; and finally, when he came into the presence of Pompey himself, he took off his royal tiara and made as if to lay it at his feet, and what was most humiliating of all, would have thrown himself down and clasped his knees in supplication. 4 But before he could do this, Pompey caught him by the hand and drew him forward, and after giving him a seat near himself, and putting his son on the other side, told him that he must lay the rest of his losses to Lucullus, who had robbed him of Syria, Phoenicia, Cilicia, Galatia, and Sophene; but that p205what he had kept up to the present time he should continue to hold if he paid six thousand talents to the Romans as a penalty for his wrongdoing; and that his son should be king of Sophene. 5 With these terms Tigranes was well pleased, and when the Romans hailed him as King, he was overjoyed, and promised to give each soldier half a mina of silver, to each centurion ten minas, and to each tribune a talent. But his son was dissatisfied, and when he was invited to supper, said that he was not dependent on Pompey for such honours, for he himself could find another Roman to bestow them. Upon this, he was put in chains and reserved for the triumph. 6 Not long after this, Phraates the Parthian sent a demand for the young man, and a proposition that the Euphrates be adopted as a boundary between his empire and that of the Romans. Pompey replied that as for Tigranes, he belonged to his father more than to his father-in‑law; and as for a boundary, the just one would be adopted.

34 Then leaving Afranius in charge of Armenia, Pompey himself proceeded against Mithridates,48 and of necessity passed through the peoples dwelling about the Caucasus mountains. The greatest of these peoples are the Albanians and the Iberians, of whom the Iberians extend to the Moschian mountains and the Euxine Sea, while the Albanians lie to the eastward as far as the Caspian Sea. 2 These latter at first granted Pompey's request for a free passage; but when winter had overtaken his army in their country and it was occupied in celebrating the Roman festival of the Saturnalia, they mustered no less than forty p207thousand men and made an attack upon it. To do this, they crossed the river Cyrnus, which rises in the Iberian mountains, and receiving the Araxes as it issues from Armenia, empties itself by twelve mouths into the Caspian. 3 Others say that the Araxes makes no junction with this stream, but takes a course of its own, and empties itself close by into the same sea. Although Pompey could have opposed the enemy's passage of the river, he suffered them to cross undisturbed; then he attacked them, routed them, and slew great numbers of them. 4 When, however, their king sent envoys and begged for mercy, Pompey condoned his wrongdoing and made a treaty with him; then he marched against the Iberians, who were not less numerous than the others and more warlike, and had a strong desire to gratify Mithridates by repulsing Pompey. 5 For the Iberians had not been subject either to the Medes or the Persians, and they escaped the Macedonian dominion also, since Alexander departed from Hyrcania in haste. Notwithstanding, Pompey routed this people also in a great battle, in which nine thousand of them were slain and more than ten thousand taken prisoners; then he invaded Colchis, where, at the river Phasis, Servilius met him, at the head of the fleet with which he was guarding the Euxine.


Now,Voya mentioned a Roman map....here is a map from 1849...look at the area of modern day Albania.....
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The Romans captured their enemies and used them as slaves....could these be resettled Albanians and Parthians?Or are they indigenous Illyrian tribes?Can it be a coincidence?The proximity of both peoples in the East and the West?Are the Romans calling everyone by the same names?


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Look carefull there in Albania.
Notable Toponyms, Albani - PARTHINI


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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2008 13:27 
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A lot of arguements


Albo, it is very hard to me to believe that the Albanian nation was imported from elsewhere. It was impossible in the middle ages to undertake the transportation of Albanians from Caucasus to Europe in such great numbers as to become the numerous Albanian nation.

It is very funny to see people who reject the obvious Slavic Migration as impossible due to logistics, and at the same time to adopt theories absurd by definition.

I will say no more, just I quote from BRITANNICA :

"The Illyrians

The origins of the Albanian people are not definitely known, but data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians and that the latter were natives of the lands they inhabited. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between the 4th and 6th centuries AD. (Some scholars, however, dispute such theses, arguing that Illyrians were not autochthonous and that Albanian derives from a dialect of the now-extinct Thracian language.)"


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Andreas, go to hell you and your Brittanica. Sorry.

Can i ask you a question? Where are all the Illirians outside of Albania? Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro? Those were the main lands of the Illirians. Albania and Epirus were just the south balkan borders of those people.


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