Bulg-AR
Hung-AR
Tat-AR
Shipt-AR
Av-AR

do these names sound a bit asiatic with the AR thingie? I found it weird Shiptars claiming to be Illirias O_o

Any comments, opinions?

Kuv-AR
Stol-AR
Kol-AR
Pek-AR
Lek-AR
Apotek-AR

These are professions. Have nothing to do with Asiatic peoples.

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Compare what you are saying to Macedon-IAN, Serb-IAN, Croat-IAN, Russ-IAN, Ind-IAN, Egypt-IAN, Iran-IAN, etc.

But: Czech, Slovak, Swedish, Greek, Chinese, English, German, etc.
No connection.
There are also As-IAN people such as Mongol, Kalmyk, Turkish, Pecheng, Kuman, etc.

It is simply a suffix. This was discussed one year or more ago if I remember.

Sorry i have not looked into that topic yet. Anyway i placed this as i was reading it on one serbian site. Thanks for your reply Slovak.

Its Ok. I'm into linguistics so I know a bit about such things, but I'm nowhere near a linguist.

But remember this:

Hungarians is the name used by the westerners for the Magyar people. It comes from a belief that the Magyars are descendants of the Huns. The tale of the Huns is a bit long so I won't talk about it now.

Another thing is that Shqip is not of Indo-European origin.

Slovak, all of your examples are verbs, of people that do something, all the examples cited by Voya are nouns, there is a difference.

Yes, as I said it is a suffix, not part of the root. In Slavic it us used to represent what does one do or where he lives. The name of the Hungarians is Magyars which derives from mag the same root from which magic derives. The nations of Estonians and Finns which are the closest to Magyars in Old Slavic documents and tales are called Čudi meaning miracle-workers from čud - miracle.
Similar can be said about Tatars from tat - horse, and Turks from tur - ox, bull, Shqipetar from shqip - rocky mountain.
Bulgar if I remember correctly derives from bulga or volga which means great river, or is it bright river. Can't remember right now.
However, Avar derives from the word Hebar - Hebrew and the Avar title Kagan from Hebrew Kohen. Not far from where I live archaeologists found an Avar necropolis and many Hebraic symbols. I saw them myself in the museum of Novi Sad.
In Slavic Avar means giant - obor.

I recall you once saying that Magyars comes from Slavic Megyu or Medyu, I am interested to see the Old Slavonic document that changed your thinking on it.

Shqipe is Eagle so Shqiperia is land of eages. Shqiptar is a noun. And they do live on rocks

The Bulgar story, if true, is still a noun and the Avar-Hebrew story leaves much to be explained.

All in all, I believe that the AR suffix at the end of nouns, although maybe not exclusively, still overwhelmingly represents central Asian origin.

mogao sam biti ja :lol:

Actually, that Magyars derive from megia would only apply afterwards they settled in Panonia. However, they were Magyars before.

Putting all Central Asian people in one basket is simply wrong. There are several different ethnic groups there: Altaic, Uralic, Iranian, Indo-Aryan, Caucasian, Slavic and other. Today this vast territory is predominantly populated by Altaic people, but that was not the case during the period of Alexander when it was predominantly Iranian. The coming of the Altaic people resulted in mixing of the two groups.
I also do not understand why everything that is Central Asian is viewed here by virtually every forum member as something evil. If origin of some nation cannot be explained everyone is like "Bah, they must be of Asian origin" like if everyone who came from the steppes was Satan himself.

ПО ПЪТЯ НА БЪЛГАРСКИЯ ЕТНОНИМ


some toughts of the Tatar Bulgars:


Bulgars are one of the Kipchak peoples

Its because for the Europeans, Asia is connected with yellow races (Mongols, Chinese etc) and almost nobody connect it with white people. That's why everybody think that Hunns and Attila were yellow (oriental) same like Bulgars.

As you say it was not always like this.

Well is weird we don't find European race ending on AR.
All those i posted, suposelly setled in Europe.

French
English
Swedish
Portuguesse
Spanish
Irish
Scotish
German

Let's go to the balkans

Romanians
Vlachs
"Greek"
Macedonian
Serbian
Croatian
Slovenian

Let's go a bit up

Slovak
Chezch
Lithuanian
Russian
Ukrainian
Georgian

None of it is ending on AR

Just except for the people who had "connection" with the Tataric people of the Steppes and beyond.

The BulgARian name is delivered from Volga indeed, but it can be Volgian, Bolgian, why BulgARian?
Shquip is rock land, eagle is something like alternative in their language, since the Austrians "gave them their Ilirian ancestry"
Under my opinion, as far as i readed, Albania, not the one on the balkans, was too rocky. Again why not Shqipian, but ShqiptAR.

Btw Slovak, you mentioned it by yourself TAT-means horse. So, personally i think TATAR represents all those people. They were all ferocious horse riders in their ancestral homelands.

Just wondering, wasn't Aryan=Iranian? :O

The entire who-were-the-Turkic-peoples problem will be hard to solve. There are a lot of issues that no researcher puts into his equations, namely that there was no Slavic migration; that the Huns for example were not a Turkic people but Slavic, which all has to do with the fact that Slavs were a major presence in Eastern Europe for millenia; then the confusion of names like the Avars, no one really knows who were they or the Alans, Sarmatians, even Scythians, maybe a wrong logic is used here, maybe they were not nations, maybe they were social classes and so on; the belief that some of these peoples were Turkic is also caused by generalization of ancient writers and by their biased views, for example that all people from the steppes were savage hordes and such; the problem with Bulgars but also a lot of these peoples is causes by the inscriptions found, for example the Nominalia of the Bulgarian Tsars which has the dates and numbers in an Indo-Iranian language not Turkic (the rest being in Old Russian) or the inscriptions written in Indo-Iranian scripts (again).
So generally the entire history of Eastern Europe is in a mess and will not be sorted until all sources and facts are put together and examined, but I fail to see if this will ever happen.

The Iranian people are those of Iranic language group, Aryan are the peoples of India. But yes, both Iranian and Aryan derive from the same term arya which means gentleman and originally had no ethnic connotations.

To add to the previous what I said there is also the problem causes by the never-happened Aryan Invasion of India.

I found a very interesting website not long ago where there is a summary of who called who with what names:

http://libereya.ru/biblus/klassen/klassen.html

Scroll down to the tables under the СКИФАМИ НАЗЫВАЮТ - The Scythians are called, then the name of a the people and the author who said it. Then you have same for Alans and Sarmatians. You can see why there was such a confusion.

It's all in Russian.

Come on, don't overstate it like that because that what you say is a lie. Few of the people think they are evil, BUT even fewer think the yellow races are Slavs.

SoM, move on. I haven't say Bulgars were Slavs a very long time. As I said earlier the population of Central Asia is highly multi ethnic, the Proto-Bulgars could have been either Turks, Iranians, Indians, Slavs or a mixture of them all, because there is evidence that connects them with everyone of these groups.

And those few are enough. I certainly won't tolerate such opinion.

No Slovak, you move on, because based on your little comments it is obvious that you haven't diverged much from this "theory" of yours.

How so?

SoM, during the period of Alexander the Scythia was a vast empire. It encompassed hundreds of ethnic groups. It stretched as far as China in the East and Germania in the West. The place where I now live was part of Scythia. To the Persians Asia began on this side of the Danube. The Scythian Empire was ruled by an Iranian nobility or a nobility influenced by Iranian religion and culture. The Empire was thus a mixture of a large number of cultures which finally produced the Russian kingdoms and Tsardom. The nations of Czechs, Scots, Saxons and Yakut (Sakha) are nominally the heirs of the Scythian empire, nominally because the Scythian name Saka in Iranian is found inside these peoples national names. However, the scythians called themselves Skoloti, which also makes several nations again to claim Scythian descent including Slavs. But that is the problem, the Scythians were not a single nation, they were many nations.The last great Scythian Emperor was Attila the Hun to whom the Bulgars claim was their first king - Avitohol. Attila's son Irnik (in the Nominalia Irnih) was responsible for the steppe tribes, it is therefore possible that that is why the Bulgars saw him as their second king, because they also remember Attila who ruled them as well as many other nations. The inscriptions of the Bulgars is written in an Iranian language, which does not necessary mean that that was their ethnic language but that was the language of the empire. So the Bulgars could be of any origin or all of them. It is not known to what extent each of the ethnic groups of the Scythian Empire spread. How can I say they were Slavs or Turks or Iranians when they fit into all of the profiles?