From GOOGLE, website of Victor Friedman :
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I have done fieldwork in the Balkans for over thirty years and have received research grants from Fulbright-Hays, IREX, ACLS, NEH, and APS. In 1982 I received the "1300 Years of Bulgaria" jubilee medal for contributions to the field of Bulgarian studies, in 1991 and again in 2003 I was awarded the University of Skopje Gold Plaque Award for contributions to the field of Macedonian studies. In 1994 I was elected to the Macedonian Academy of Arts and Sciences, in 1995 to Matica Srpska, and in 2004 to the Academy of Arts and Sciences of Kosova."

I am absolutely sure the man has 'NO BIAS ABSOLUTELY' in favor of the Slavs in general. (!!!)
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"Never bite the hand that is feeding you"

So you take two sources which you claim are unreliable and you just point to the centre and this is your accuracy test? Another glorious principle of Hellenism.


I think the answer to that is rather easy, you of course.



The Life of Saint Methodius, Vita Methody, the Roman Emperor DID say this and it was recorded in a source a thousand years ago, not some obscure Macedonian source old man. Of course this doesn't suit with your narrative, being an old man and all and having been taught one way only to find out 50 years later that those things you were taught do not make sense now do they?

So I can use the same excuse as you now, if it doesnt suit just accuse it of being an allegation, once again, another glorious principle of Hellenism.


A Russian website is more reliable than a 1000-year old source? Another win for Hellenism.


The latter also had states to support these churches and schools, the Macedonians did not. Turks are still the majority in Salonika, just that they are of the Christian type these days.

From time to time, you make my day, SoM !
It is more than obvious that THE PROSFYGES THAT HELLENIZED AEGEAN, are a thorn in your eye ! I am so glad to be an offspring of them !

But you always fail to
a) Spot the source that says about "pure slavic"
b) Spot an UNBIASED source claiming your 'majority' in the Aegean in 1900.

As for now, BEATI POSIDENTES.

Andrew, simple question:

In wich nations the names KIRIL & METODI (short forms KIRO & METO ) are typical ones??

Dont you remember we had a president named Kiril for short Kiro???And by some strange game of destiny - he missed his right eye - just like one other "president" of ours...

Maybe their father was "greek" - but THEY were Slavic living in a Slavic envoirment!!I have a friend whos father is English, but my friend is MACEDONIAN to the core and the fact that his father is english doesnt mean a thing for my friend's identity!!


What is it with you man??I mean what is it??I am completely astonished and left without words by your behaviour!


Its like me going on a Chinese forum trying to convince them that Mao Tse Tung was a Macedonian !!!And that Mao is not a chinese name but its Macedonian and its Moe!!!


You should be really ashamed of yourself, man of your age playing such childish games and whats even more astonishing is that you seem to believe your lunacy!!


The last drop of respect i had for you is now gone.The other 99 drops were gone long time ago, but this....


...is simply to much.

Kirillos is unusual in Greece.

Methodios is used only by monks.

It is more than natural to be used in Slavic countries : They were the Apostles of the Slavs. The fact that Methodios is a clear-cut Greek name (from Methodos=method in english) is irrelevant.

So, e.g. the name Konstantinos is Latin : But being the name of the last Byzantine Emperor, it was used for centuries by Greeks. Today it is most usual, along with Yannis, which is of course of Jewish origin. And Emmanuel in Crete, also of Jewish origin.

Magedon, there is nothing weird with me. But look at your mirror, friend...

And yes we dont have the word Metod, right? It stems from the root META (target) - and when you work something metodicly your targeting that specific work!

So which came first the chicken or the egg??

Once again our siguren friend thinks that everything in this world is greek! Can you tell me the greek root of the word Method and what is the roots corelation witht the word?Ie the same i did with our word??

Dont bother, i know you dont have an answer - except some britanica nosense...

Get it into your head - both names - KIRIL & METODI ARE TYPICAL CUDNT BE MORE TYPICAL MACEDONIAN/SLAVIC NAMES!!!

Even if their father was "greek" (whatever that meant in 9th ad) THEY WERE MACEDONIANS, SLAVIC PPL!!

And let this nonsense conversation be over with!!!

Konstantin latin name huh?U hear this guys?Maybe just latinized Slavic KONSTANTEN.The aristocracy is ofc always supposed to be constant.

Syggy,

You can shove your artificial langauge, and artificial "Hellenism" up your you know where...

One of my ethnic Macedonian relatives will show you how to dance - the traditional Macedonian way. He lives in a village on the Albanian border (kostrusko) - a bit hard to get too - but, in Salonika, you are SAFE with all your newly Hellenized Turkish brethren. I'd love to see what happened when you spun your garbage in front of a "Greek" citizen, who still has an ethnic Macedonian consciounce. See what happens to you when you tell him "I am the real Greek Macedonian.".

p.

To get back to the topic.

I found this interesting comparison:

Serbian: kopljanik (копљаник)
Greek: hoplites (ὁπλίτης)

In most Slavic languages the word for spear is kopja, kópija, koplje, etc. The root of the word is 'kop' which is essentially used to form such words like 'kopati', homonym for 'to dig' and 'to kick, to hit'.

The word 'kopljanik' in Serbian means 'spearman'. If I'm not mistaken 'hoplites' also means that because it derives from 'hoplon' (ὅπλον) which means 'war gear'.

Another word showing the same origin of Slavic and Greek languages.

Andreas we are going back 50+years now but my grandmother had a hard time christning her son metodi/methodios greek priests refused to baptize under that name in greece. she went to bulgaria to get him baptized metodi.
All metodi i know are ethnic macedonians no greek methodios around.

a friend of mine's father is one of two brothers, they are called Kiril i Metodija.. cool hey..

i would like to see an unbiased source in general. every person who studied macedonia would have had the vested interests of SOME GROUP in mind, be them another nation, an axis of nations, or perhaps their own interests (i.e. cash or personal opinions). how naiive to think otherwise syggros!

by the way, why don't you just start a topic titled POPULATIONS IN 1900 and stick to it, rather than spaming EVERY OTHER TOPIC.

I have discovered one more interesting thing. We all know that Constantine is referred mostly by his monk name St. Cyril. But what people don't know is that only place this was written is in his biography and that of his brother. The Romans never acknowledged this. There is no record in Latin that he ever took the name Cyril. On his grave in Rome it is written Κονσταντινος and the monastery he allegedly joined before his death has no record of him ever joining. In all Latin documents of that period he is referred to only by his given name: Constantine.
However, it seems that it was his brother who propagated the name Cyril to spite the Romans for refusing to give away Constantine's mortal remains so that they could be buried back home in Solun. Thus he turned his brother into a martyr, a saint who's name would be remembered for all time by the people for whom he died.
When all is considered, one can only ask what Methodius did in fact after he became the archbishop of Panonia to the Moravian Empire that caused him so much suffering.

Here's a little bit of a puzzle for you. Try to figure out the meaning of this picture of two Glagolitic letters:

И и Слово according to a Bulgarian book i have

Yes, and do you know what these two letters stand for and what is the symbol of that?

I dont think anybody know that for sure.What is obvious is that both letters are combination of circle and triangle.ALthough the book i have was first published in 1956 so i am not very much up to date:)

The letter I stands for 'i' (and) and S stands for 'slovo' (word). But that is not important. I'm asking what do they together stand for: IS, and what is the symbol of that for which they stand for. Isn't it obvious?

hmm.. not to me..

isus?

i slovo?

Yes MKD, Isus i.e. Jesus. And what is the symbol of Jesus?