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PostPosted: 09 Jan 2008 07:01 
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Мај - КОСАР
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I wish I had a calendar with these old names. Can you buy them somewhere? Or perhaps I can make one for myself.


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maknews wrote:
I wish I had a calendar with these old names. Can you buy them somewhere? Or perhaps I can make one for myself.


Almost ever single calander in Macedonia has both names for months on them, and they practicly give calanders away this time of year.


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They should give me one.


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i love the agricultural flavour of the old words. I mean, it paints such a visual picture of the months..

Snežnik is pretty cool too..

It would have however been funny if we were referring to all the seasons here in australia... we would be calling december snežnik, which is beach weather and hot days

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maknews wrote:
They should give me one.



I have quite few of them here at home, if you want me i can send you one by post :)

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Guys, do someone of you know the names of the months, that our ancient ancestor used?

I am 100% sure the names were different than the "GREEK" ones.


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This calendar existed in the 9th to 7th century B.C. The year started in "Gregorian October" and was luni-solar, using a 354 lunar year with a periodic intercalated month of 29 or 30 days to keep it in line with solar motion. The Macedonians are believed to have divided the months by the full as well as the new moons.
Dios (30 days)october
Apellaeus (29 days)
Andynaeus (30 days)
Peritius (29 days)
Dystrus (30 days)
Xanticus (29 days)
Artemisios (30 days)
Daesius (29 days)
Panaemus (30 days)
Lous (29 days)
Gorpiaeus (30 days)
Hyperberetaeus (29 days)september

· Δίος (Dios, moon of October)
· Απελλαίος (Apellaios, moon of November, also a Dorian month - Apellaiōn was a Tenian month)
· Αυδναίος or Αυδηναίος (Audnaios or Audēnaios, moon of December)
· Περίτιος (Peritios, moon of January)
· Δύστρος (Dystros, moon of February)
· Ξανδικός or Ξανθικός (Xandikos or Xanthikos, moon of March)
· Ξανδικός Εμβόλιμος (Xandikos Embolimos, intercalated 6 times over a 19-year cycle)
· Αρτεμίσιος or Αρταμίτιος (Artemisios or Artamitios, moon of April, also a Spartan, Rhodian and Epidaurian month - Artemisiōn was an Ionic month)
· Δαίσιος (Daisios, moon of May)
· Πάνημος or Πάναμος (Panēmos or Panamos, moon of June, also an Epidaurian, Miletian, Samian and Corinthian month)
· Λώιος (Lōios, moon of July - Ομολώιος, Homolōios, was an Aetolian, Boeotian and Thessalian month)
· Γορπιαίος (Gorpiaios, moon of August)
· Υπερβερεταίος (Hyperberetaios, moon of September - Hyperberetos was a Cretan month)
· Υπερβερεταίος Εμβόλιμος (Hyperberetaios Embolimos, intercalated once over a 19-year cycle)

Spartan calendar ( http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Measurements2.htm ):
· January - ?
· February - Eleusinios
· March - Gerastios
· April – Artemisios
· May - Delhinios
· June - Fliasios
· July - Hekatombeus
· August - Karneios
· September - Panamos
· October - Herasios
· November – Apellaios
· December – Diosthios

An example of this is the Ionian island of Delos, where the calendar shared four out of twelve month names with Athens, but not in the same places in the year.

List of months:
· Hekatombaion - June/July
· Metageitnion - July/August
· Boedromion - August/September
· Pyanepsion - September/October
· Maimakterion - October/November
· Poseideon - November/December
· Gemelion - December/January
· Anthesterion - January/February
· Elaphebolion - February/March
· Mounichion - March/April
· Thargelion - April/May
· Skirophorion - May/June

We also know of nine of the months in the Argive calendar
· Panemos
· Argyeos
· Karneios
· Hermaios
· Appelaios
· Teleos
· Arneios
· Gamos
· Amyklaios

The names of the Macedonian months Apellaios, Artemisios and Panemos are the same months as those in the Spartan calendar. Moreover, the months Artemisios and Panemos are also found in the Argive calendar.So in summary:

· The Macedonian month Apellaios is also a Spartan and Argive month.
· The Macedonian month Panemos is also a Corinthian and Epidaurian month. It is also a Spartan and Argive month.
· The Macedonian month Hyperberetaios is also a Cretan month.
· The Macedonian month Artemisios is also a Spartan, Rhodian and Epidaurian month.


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Aleksandar wrote:
· The Macedonian month Apellaios is also a Spartan and Argive month.
· The Macedonian month Panemos is also a Corinthian and Epidaurian month. It is also a Spartan and Argive month.
· The Macedonian month Hyperberetaios is also a Cretan month.
· The Macedonian month Artemisios is also a Spartan, Rhodian and Epidaurian month.


Conclusion, there was no such thing as Greek united Ethnos/Nation.

And Macedonians did served them self a names of Months of different Peoples.

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Conclusion, there was no such thing as Greek united Ethnos/Nation.


exactly what i have said many times bro, there had never been a greek nation until the establishment of frappeland.

wheras makedonia was a nation 300bc and used as the model for modern eurpean nations,yet still we are unrecognised as macedonians.

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speaking to my father he reckons that there are a few other names used for some of the months.

ozhuyak lipan kolovoz and luti.

here are some other slavic month names.

January -> Polish styczeń from "tyka, tyczka" (pole,perch), that's what i've found, but I'm not sure if it makes any sense. I suppose making wooden poles was winter pursuit. In Ukrainian - січень. But in Old Polish: January - ledzień ( similar to Czech leden, maybe Czech native speakers can explain this word).

February-> Polish luty, from "hard frost", Ukrainian - лютий.

March-> Polish marzec, from Latin Martius=month of Mars, so in Polish we use Latin name, but in Old Polish brzezień as Czech = březen andUkrainian=березень I suppose it's from tree береза = birch

April-> Polish kwiecień from "kwitnąć"=bloom, "kwiat"= flower, blossom. Ukrainian - квітень

May->Polish maj from Latin Maius, but if I'm not mistaken in Czech květen,but Ukrainian-травень from(?) трава= grass

June-> Polish czerwiec from "czerw" = bee grub, Czech = červen, Ukrainian = червень.

July->Polish lipiec from"lipa" = lime-tree, Ukr.= липень, but Czech = červenec

August -> Polish sierpień from "sierp" = sickle ( it's of course connected with harvest), Czech = srpen, Ukr.= серпень

September->Polish wrzesień from "wrzos" = heather, but Czech = září,Ukr. = вересень

October-> Polish październik from "paździerz"= remainings after making threads from the flax plant ( so it connected with seasonal pursuit), but Ukr. = жовтень , I suppose it's from yellow color of the trees in autumn, and Czech = říjen.

November-> Polish listopad from "liście opadające" = falling leaves, Czech= listopad, Ukr. = листопад

December-> Polish grudzień from "gruda"= frozen ground, (Ukr.= грудень) , but in Old Polish prosień = a month when people killed pigs("prosię") for meat, Czech = prosinec.

That's what I recall from lectures :) I'm not sure if Czech names are correct, and can't remember all this Old-Church-Slavonic explainations.
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osiris wrote:
speaking to my father he reckons that there are a few other names used for some of the months.

ozhuyak lipan kolovoz and luti.

here are some other slavic month names.

January -> Polish styczeń from "tyka, tyczka" (pole,perch), that's what i've found, but I'm not sure if it makes any sense. I suppose making wooden poles was winter pursuit. In Ukrainian - січень. But in Old Polish: January - ledzień ( similar to Czech leden, maybe Czech native speakers can explain this word).

February-> Polish luty, from "hard frost", Ukrainian - лютий.

March-> Polish marzec, from Latin Martius=month of Mars, so in Polish we use Latin name, but in Old Polish brzezień as Czech = březen andUkrainian=березень I suppose it's from tree береза = birch

April-> Polish kwiecień from "kwitnąć"=bloom, "kwiat"= flower, blossom. Ukrainian - квітень

May->Polish maj from Latin Maius, but if I'm not mistaken in Czech květen,but Ukrainian-травень from(?) трава= grass

June-> Polish czerwiec from "czerw" = bee grub, Czech = červen, Ukrainian = червень.

July->Polish lipiec from"lipa" = lime-tree, Ukr.= липень, but Czech = červenec

August -> Polish sierpień from "sierp" = sickle ( it's of course connected with harvest), Czech = srpen, Ukr.= серпень

September->Polish wrzesień from "wrzos" = heather, but Czech = září,Ukr. = вересень

October-> Polish październik from "paździerz"= remainings after making threads from the flax plant ( so it connected with seasonal pursuit), but Ukr. = жовтень , I suppose it's from yellow color of the trees in autumn, and Czech = říjen.

November-> Polish listopad from "liście opadające" = falling leaves, Czech= listopad, Ukr. = листопад

December-> Polish grudzień from "gruda"= frozen ground, (Ukr.= грудень) , but in Old Polish prosień = a month when people killed pigs("prosię") for meat, Czech = prosinec.

That's what I recall from lectures :) I'm not sure if Czech names are correct, and can't remember all this Old-Church-Slavonic explainations.
Jana337


croatian:

januar- siječanj
februar-veljača
mart-ožujak
april-travanj
maj-svibanj
juni-lipanj
juli-srpanj
august-kolovoz
septembar-rujan
oktobar-listopad
novembar-studeni
decembar-prosinac

funny thing is when comparing polish and croatian, same month names in poland applys for month that comes after. i guess its because of different clime and lime have flowers in july (june in croatia), harvest is done in august (july in croatia), etc..


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