terra is in terror of the truth true mak, as are all the wannaabees who have worshipped false idols these past 200 years. its pathetic how deep is their denial about their national myths. terra s own proudly greek speaking family can also be easily explained we have many instnaces of other non greek speaking people adopting greek as their langauge since the formation of the neo greek hells arse, like the athenians in ottos time , so w absurd is the notion that greek speaking encalves survived 2000 years in a sea of macedonians while athens the peolponese many islands etc etc didnt. terras hellenism is at best 150 years old.

The sad thing here is that alot of the modern "greeks" who come on here and say that they know all of this stuff are saying that it's ok because these people wanted to be "greek".(?)
I haven't even scratched the surface with all the material that is out there. Not just on the Albanianess of the modern "greek" but what else makes that society breathe li(f)e. Todays "greek" is programmed, like a robot, to believe everything their politicians say. And that is very scary. When you have millions of drones waiting for their next order of propaganda or waiting for the next Daskalakis book to come out proclaiming lineage to a people in ancient history who should remain where they are. In ancient history.
Terrorist states breed terrorists. You don't need to strap bombs on your body to be one either.
Until the modern "greek" realizes that their history has been manipulated ten fold ,and that politicizing ancient history to make validity on absurd claims today ,I say these drones are utterly hopeless to wake up from their euphoric neo-nazi dream.

KEEP IT UP MATE IT CONFIRMS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE PAST 4 YEARS ABOUT THE FABRICATED NATURE OF NEO HELLENISM

And from page 298:

thanks for this veritable list of kathari ellini albo, take them out of ellas and the vlachs grkomani and anatolians out of ellas and what do you have left, a greek kafenion full of western tourists.

A thread on some famous Albanians from greece...
http://p100.ezboard.com/fbalkansfrm95.s ... =1&stop=20

i have met a liappis and a bouras, the bouras young people admited their parents spoke albanian sometimes and their grandparents all the time, but were ignorant of why, until i reluctantly told them, and burst their little pure greek bavarian blue and white bubble.
but they still walked away staunchly hellenic while i was some silly historian who didnt know anything including the ethnicity of bouboulina, the starting point of our discussion.

I found something very interesting about our modern "greek" friends and how they celebrate an Albanian christmas . Maybe I should wait until January 7th?

pg 21


I find the cover of this page funny which is why I highlighted it. Philhellenes will make anyone a "hellene" just to make their mythical racist ideology a 'reality'.

pg 250

During the Early Middle Ages, following the disastrous Gothic War, new waves of Byzantine Christian Greeks came to Magna Graecia from Greece and Asia Minor, as Southern Italy remained loosely governed by the Eastern Roman Empire. The iconoclast emperor Leo III appropriated lands that had been granted to the Papacy in southern Italy[1] and the Eastern Emperor loosely governed the area until the advent of the Lombards then, in the form of the Catapanate of Italy, superseded by the Normans. Moreover the Byzantines would have found in Southern Italy people of common cultural root, the Greek-speaking eredi ellenofoni of Magna Graecia.

Although most of the Greek inhabitants of Southern Italy became entirely Italianized (as Paestum had already been in the 4th century BCE) and no longer spoke Greek, remarkably a small Griko-speaking minority still exists today in Calabria and mostly in Salento. Griko is the name of a language combining ancient Doric, Byzantine Greek, and Italian elements, spoken by people in the Magna Graecia region. There is rich oral tradition and Griko folklore, limited now, though once numerous, to only a few thousand people, most of them having become absorbed into the surrounding Italian element. Records of Magna Graecia being predominantly Greek-speaking, date as late as the eleventh century (the end of Byzantine domination in Southern Italy).



Today a small minority of around 30,000 speakers of Griko live in the Italian regions of Calabria and Apulia. Though modern Griko is closely related to the koine, or common Greek, which had spread throughout the Mediterranean in Hellenistic times, it is said to maintain some elements of Doric Greek, and some believe its origin may ultimately be traced to the colonies of Magna Graecia.

By about 1478 the Greek population of Venice stood at some four thousand people, mainly concentrated in the Castello area of the city. This rapidly growing presence prompted Cardinal Bessarion to remark that Venice was 'almost another Byzantium'. In 1470 the Greeks were given a wing of the church of San Biagio in which to worship in their own language. In 1514 they received permission to build a church of their own and this was completed, as San Giorgio dei Greci, in 1573 (Geanakoplos, Greek Scholars, 35-7, 60; Nicol, Byzantium and Venice, 415-17). Many of these people appear to have found employment connected with Venice's position as a naval and mercantile power. They provided rowers for Venetian galleys, and carpenters for the Arsenal or shipyard. Between 1400 and 1442 a dynasty of Greek shipwrights dominated the Arsenal, designing galleys for both trade and war. Others, however, worked as tailors and gold wire drawers, or joined the Stradioti, a regiment in Venetian service recruited entirely from Greeks. An exception was Anna Notaras, a Byzantine noblewoman who had come to Venice before 1453 and who died there at an advanced age in 1507. Possessed of immense wealth, Notaras was financially independent and able to support many of her fellow Greeks in her household (Harris, Greek Emigres, 85-6, 180-1, 203; Nicol, Byzantium and Venice, 415-16). The Greek presence in Italy was not restricted to Venice. That in southern Italy had existed long before the fifteenth century. The area had been colonised by the Greeks in the eighth century BC, and an influx of refugees from the Arab and Slav invasions in the seventh century AD had reinforced the Greek-speaking element. The Byzantine empire had ruled parts of Southern Italy until 1071. The successes of the Turks in the Balkans, led many Greeks and Albanians to cross the Adriatic in search of safety. Many settled in the countryside but a recognisable Greek community had established itself in Naples by the end of the century (Harris, Greek Emigres, 27-9

After colonising the Aegean islands and the coast of modern Turkey, some Greeks started in the 8th and 7th centuries BC to migrate to Sicily and Southern Italy. Many of these settlements were the result of power struggles. Violence to political opponents was relatively rare in Ancient Greece, and the winning party was likely to banish the

Traditionally, the fifteenth-century Byzantine exiles in Italy have been seen largely in terms of their contribution to the revival of Greek studies during the Renaissance. This can be traced in part to an enthusiastic outburst by the contemporary writer Leonardo Bruni, who claimed that one of them, Manuel Chrysoloras (d.1415), had restored to the Italians a knowledge of classical Greek, which had been lost for seven hundred years (Bruni, 431). The picture of the Byzantines as restorers of Greek letters was carried further in a famous passage by Edward Gibbon: ... the restoration of the Greek letters in Italy was prosecuted by a series of emigrants who were destitute of fortune and endowed with learning, or at least with language. From the terror or oppression of the Turkish arms, the natives of THESSALONICA and Constantinople escaped to a land of freedom, curiosity and wealth ... I shall not attempt to enumerate the restorers of Grecian literature in the fifteenth century; and it may be sufficient to mention with gratitude the names of Theodore Gaza, of George of Trebizond, of John Argyropulus and Demetrius Chalcocondyles, who taught their native language in the schools of Florence and Rome (Gibbon, 7: 129-30). Yet the image of the Byzantine exiles as venerable scholars fleeing with their books under their arms represents both an exaggeration and an understatement. It exaggerates the part played by individual Byzantines in the revival of Greek learning in Italy, while ignoring the vast majority of the emigres, who were involved in no scholarly activity whatsoever. This article will look first at the wider phenomenon of Greek immigration to Italy in the fifteenth century, before turning to the question of the contribution of the Byzantines to the Italian Renaissance

TM...I'm only countering the existence of Greeks in Thessalonika and the fact that Spaniards, French and Italians all recognized a sizable Greek pop. throughout.

Someone posted this up already but I wanted to post it once again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNYZqHwZ ... re=related

In 1460, after the fall of Constantinople, Mystras fell to the Ottomans, but Mani was not subdued and retained its internal self-government in exchange for an annual tribute. Local chieftains or beys governed Mani on behalf of the Ottomans. As Ottoman power declined, the mountains of the Mani became a stronghold of the klephts, bandits who also fought against the Ottomans. There is evidence of a sizeable Maniot emigration to Corsica sometime during the Ottoman years.

Fatso even Hammond noted that during the Byzantine era the Byzantines moved Albanians from Albania to Constantinople to re-populate many areas. It's futile bre Fatso. Todays "greek" was really yesterdays Albanian, Vlach, Turk, Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgarian, Armenian, Jew etc.

4) After the Lydian aggression in Asia Minor during the 7th century, the Greek states prospered in the first half of the 6th century. But that changed when the Medes (east of Lydia) fell to the Persians, who ultimately conquered the Lydians. The resulting Persian subjection of the eastern Greeks engendered concerns about Persian power.

In cultural terms, significant events and styles emerged in this century.
1) The early part of the century saw the increased importance of festivals and games as meeting places for all Greeks, thus integrating religious, literary, athletic, and political cultures.
2) The First Sacred War, in which Cleisthenes of Sikyon, with the help of Athens and Thessaly, defeated Krisa for control of Delphi, ultimately contributed to the development of the moral force of Apollo's oracle at Delphi.
3) Great achievements in the arts and architecture occurred: (i) the Doric and Ionic architectural orders evolved, (ii) temples emerged as an innovation of the Archaic period--not as places of worship but as homes for the gods, with a statue and treasury from dedications, (iii) full anatomical sculptural figures (kouroi and koroi) emerged, (iv) black figure ware pottery developed in the first half of the century, red figure ware in the second. The growing importance of human beings in general can be seen in artistic as well as political events. More interest was shown toward human scenes from ordinary life. The focus was shifting from gods and heroes to humanity.
4) Essential features of the Greek outlook evolved: (1) rational (philosophical) investigations of the cosmos and human experience--though myth still remained a binding element, (2) the introduction of more personal styles in literature, (3) the importance of self-reliance and a readiness to change.

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I don't get it fatso what are you trying to prove with ancient history??? Do you honestly believe the lie of hellenism and Paparigopolous history? You have nothing to do with the ancient race of Hellenes. I'm sorry if this bothers you but it's the truth.

pg.645 continued....



at page 646 Oh silly modern "greeks" your history is so funny I cannot help but to laugh at it

The Arvanovlach inventing a new Greek identity for themselves. Morons.

pg.20






Modern "greek" women wearing Albanian Fez more culture shocks for todays "greek" that's for sure.