http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlCkk65yMg

Is there anything hellenic about the modern "greeks" ????

Keep up the great work TM

these 'people' are pathetic

Thanks Volk. These modern "greeks" are a confused bunch. I hope that by seeing this they will take a trip to their ancestors land in Tirana and pay hommage to those who fought for their freedom

wannabees is hellenic, its got an s on the end of the word.

TM you have posted up some good stuff lately, keep it coming but remember to archive the stuff in the archive section before it gets erased here in the general section due to lack of webspace.

Albanians are still huge part of the greek society : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnVBXJD3meU

Pizzaman, Greece = Albanians. Check this link out general-discussions/45-of-modern-greece-populated-by-albanians-t11775.html

A quote from the link above;

So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the XV century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6). Another wave of Muslim Albanian migrations took place during the Ottoman period, mainly in the XVIII century (Trudgill, 1975:6; Banfi, 1994:19). All these Albanians are the ancestors of modern-day Arvanites in Central and Southern Greece.


TELL THE WORLD EVERYBODY

TrueMacedonian, Thank you! keep up the good work!

SO that was why many Albanians fought in the Greek war and were pro-Greek (something I always wondered about), not because they wanted to be Greek, but because they were Orthodox and therefore were members of the Greek Church (THERE WAS NO ALBANIAN CHURCH at that time) Now it all makes sense!!!!

Again, thank you for this valuable information!

The things these foreigners write about in these books we know personally, having lived with these fake Hellenes as they fabricated and falsified their identity over the years.

You're welcome guys. And you, Tsutsul, hit the nail on the head about the church. The same thing happened in the principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia under Ottoman rule. The Ottomans implemented the Phanariots (greek speakers of the greek church) to become the Prince's of these 2 principalities. The Romanian churches gave liturgies in Slavic, but then the ruling class started to 'hellenize' (remember to be "greek" was a social status as well) so the Slavic patriarchates were replaced with new "greek" patriarchates. Names like Mavrocordatos, Ypsilantis, Ghicas, Callimachis etc... these became the Phanariots of the 2 principalities or the new ruling elite. They were all semi-vlachs and vlachs with the exception of Ghicas who was a hellenized Albanian. Ypsilantis and Mavrocordatos also fought in the greek war of independance. I won't get into anymore right now but Athens was not the first choice of a capital for the new "greek" state

The section about the Albanian costume becoming the Greek costume is very true. I have always noticed that the traditional folk costumes that Albanian women wear in music videos are exactly the same as the Greek national folk costume. I say "national" because other Greek costumes are different, Greeks in the north wear the same costumes as we do, and the Prosfyges wear the same costumes as the Turks (the men even wear turbans, something unusual in European culture).

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It's Gold.

Well done.

It seems that lately the modern "greeks" have been suicide bombing in here over questioning their recent past and how "greek" they really are. They also went haywire over the ignea threads up in here. I believe these disturbing revelations show the true racially mixed ethnicity of these imposters to the ancient hellenes.
Funny isn't it. The same people who question us should really question themselves.

Modern "greeces" first president was an Albanian who didn't even speak modern "greek"

On 15 May 1824, an obituary notice in The Times declared that 'the whole of Lord Byron's latter days' had been given to 'the noblest of enterprises, the deliverance of Greece'. This was a warmer view of the deceased and teh cause he served than was customary with the British press, including The Times itself, by 1824. It became generally believed, nevertheless, that the poet had died, if not exactly a hero, at least a man of action and, in the following years, the most popular portrait of Byron was undoubtedly the one painted by Thomas Phillips, which shows him in Albanian garb and which today hangs in the British embassy in Athens.

Anglo-Ottoman Encounters in the Age of Revolution by Allan Cunnigham & Edward Ingram, page 255.

Here is that famous picture




This is a link to the written passage above - http://books.google.com/books?ei=y9IASd ... #PPA255,M1

This is a link to his portrait (there's another portrait of him in Albanian dress ) - http://englishhistory.net/byron/images.html


Very very "hellenic" style of clothing

TrueMacedonian,

Move your recent historical posts to the archive for future reference, they may accidentally get deleted from here.

I will Maknews and Jordan. But I want this to stay up in the General Discussions portion of the forum for a few days so that everyone can get a look at this information. I will personally move it in a few days time.