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From Appian's History of Rome: The Illyrian Wars
http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/appian/app ... an_00.html

[§5] Such was the punishment which the god visited upon the Illyrians and the Celts for their impiety. [114] But they did not desist from temple robbing, for again, in conjunction with the Celts, certain Illyrian tribes, especially the Scordisci, the Maedi, and the Dardani again invaded Macedonia and Greece together, and plundered many temples, including that of Delphi, but losing many men this time also.

[82] The Romans, thirty-two years after their first encounter with the Celts, having fought with them at intervals since that time, now, under the leadership of Lucius [Cornelius] Scipio, made war against the Illyrians, on account of this temple robbery, as the Romans now held sway over the Greeks and the Macedonians.

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RIM - MIR

MIR - Peace (Mako)
MIR - ( what was it correctly in russian, slovce?I think world,but am not sure)
MIR - (Good - Albo)

Romans perverted everthing...

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The original name of what we Slavs call Rim is Roma after Romulus. They didn't pervert anything, you just did. :roll:

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Slovák wrote:
The original name of what we Slavs call Rim is Roma after Romulus. They didn't pervert anything, you just did. :roll:



:twisted: :twisted: :roll:

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Slovák wrote:
The original name of what we Slavs call Rim is Roma after Romulus. They didn't pervert anything, you just did. :roll:


From Wiki so take it without verification:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus

    Romulus (c. 771 BC[1]—c. 717 BC) and Remus (c. 771 BC–c. 753 BC) are the traditional founders of Rome, appearing in Roman mythology as the twin sons of the priestess Rhea Silvia, fathered by the god of war, Mars. According to the tradition recorded as history by Plutarch and Livy, Romulus served as the first King of Rome.

    Romulus slew Remus over a dispute about which one of the two brothers had the support of the local gods to rule the new city and give it his name. Supposedly, Romulus had stood on one hill and Remus another, and a circle of birds flew over Remus, signifying that he should be king.

Remus, not Romulus, was the one chosen by the gods to found and rule the city and give it his name. Our term for Rome is ‘Rim’ which coincides with Remus.

This could just be a coincidence, but it at least should be mentioned.


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From Roman in Serbian there is a word 'rumen' which means red. Also there is a city in Srem called Ruma (Roma) where many Roman ruins were found. It is next to Sremska Mitrovica (Roman Sirmium/Serbium). They got great fairs there.

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Slovák wrote:
From Roman in Serbian there is a word 'rumen' which means red. Also there is a city in Srem called Ruma (Roma) where many Roman ruins were found. It is next to Sremska Mitrovica (Roman Sirmium/Serbium). They got great fairs there.



Yea we say Rumen/Rumeno too - its a very specific red color like the cheeks of a young girl...Rumeni obrazi :) Its red towars little pinkish

Whatever bout that isnt just a coincidence that the word rim in slav is reversed mir.I dont know what, but its not a coincidence. Cuz romans did perverted everything along with the mysteries wich were perverted even before them by late greeks. There were Romul and Re(i)m, right..But thats just a legend...

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Magedon, how do you call the changing of the order of two or more letters in one syllable, like you say RIM and MIR?

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Slovák wrote:
Magedon, how do you call the changing of the order of two or more letters in one syllable, like you say RIM and MIR?


what do you mean, like academicly?I dont have a clue. i just know that e and i are interchangable as with all other samoglaski in our tongue.They often go one after the other in normal speaking.

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What if the word for the city predates the entry of Roman forces into the region? What if our term for the city comes from another route, possibly Etruscan.

It's just seems odd that an entire world of Slavonic speakers would call the place Rim.


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I think ancient Slavs called Rome Rum and since /u/ and /i/ are both high vowels it could be why the change occurred. It would be the natural path, since /o/ is a back close-mid vowel, then /u/ a back close vowel and /i/ a front close vowel. Between /u/ and /i/ stand the central close vowels /ʉ/ and /ɨ/.
http://www.paulmeier.com/ipa/vowels.html

Magedon, you should learn how vowels and consonants work, what rules they follow and what changes they can do. You don't have to learn the Latin and Greek terms if you don't want to, I'm sure Macedonian has it's own terms just like Slovak and Serbian.

And do you perhaps speak a dead language? Or understand one at least?

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Thanks for the explanation, Slovak.


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Slovák wrote:
I think ancient Slavs called Rome Rum and since /u/ and /i/ are both high vowels it could be why the change occurred. It would be the natural path, since /o/ is a back close-mid vowel, then /u/ a back close vowel and /i/ a front close vowel. Between /u/ and /i/ stand the central close vowels /ʉ/ and /ɨ/.
http://www.paulmeier.com/ipa/vowels.html

Magedon, you should learn how vowels and consonants work, what rules they follow and what changes they can do. You don't have to learn the Latin and Greek terms if you don't want to, I'm sure Macedonian has it's own terms just like Slovak and Serbian.

And do you perhaps speak a dead language? Or understand one at least?


Yeah, i probably should do that...

Well i do understand quite bit of old greek and latin and less sanskrt and being born macedonian-speaker i find quite a bit of simmilarities btw the slavic language and these 3. But thats just a hobby that came as a consequence of reading to much books for my facultet, like greek classics and such. So i just started to find to many simmilarites for them to pass unnoticed.

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Arvanit here's something for you. What do you think about this topic?

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