When you say "the people of RoM" which people are you alluding to?

I don't think the Albanians are Slavs. Is that what you meant?

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I guess the Albanian dress is Slavic influenced after all in turn making the modern "greek" national dress Slavically influenced

I've always said, the oldest 'Greeks' in Modern Greece are the Albanians.

Actually Tony, I think you are very unfamiliar with the uniqueness of Macedonian culture.

There are many cultural elements in our folklore, traditions and rituals which can be traced back to ancient times with roots from the ancient Macedonians and ancient Thracians - unique aspects which do not exist in the neighbouring so-called 'slavic' groups, nor anywhere else in the wider 'slavic' group.

How can this be, if an unproven and alleged 'slavic migration' occurred? With simple logic. If we accept the theory that some tribes of so-called 'slavs' settled in Macedonia, then still we are left with the question of what happened to the the pre-existing population. The Macedonians were not wiped out, but rather they could only have mixed with the incomers over time and subsequently have left many of their cultural traits and elements in the product of that inter-mixing. Of course, that's if there ever was a migration, whilst all we have heard of is a few invasions, never a migration, and never any archaeological evidence to support such a grand event that took 2 centuries...

The only problem is that you do not know about this, because many of the books that tell this story, and discuss our aspects of the unique Macedonian culture, and specifically it's uniqueness, were not (and still are not) written in the mainstream languages of the world (nor are they available online, or at universities and libraries around the world), but rather in the Macedonian language and read only by a couple of million Macedonians.

Perhaps you should try and explore the Macedonian culture and it's uniqueness a little further before attempting to sound authoritative on the subject.

Thanks Tony, but we'll write our own history. The last thing we Macedonians need is bullshit historians who haven't got a clue about Macedonia and Greece writing our history.

The existence of "Slavonic" communities in the Peloponessos has been recorded as late as the 18th century.

Wouldn't it be nice to know how they themselves self-identified.

I think it would ultimately upset todays "greek" to the core if they had Tito's time machine and went back to see who their true ancestors were and how their identity is nothing more than an illusion.

The vast bulk of the recent ancestor's of today's so-called "Greeks" aren't even from the region, they are from a different part of the world.

The remainder still have a hint of who their recent ancestors were, Arvanite, Vlasi, and various other g'rkomani, but they have become fearful and self-loathing.

Look how honestly Yavol from Bulgaria was able to list the people who make up his ethnic background. A Greek could never have that kind of honesty or integrity, not in a million years. They don't even know who their recent acestors were because of the memorycide that's part of their policy of ethnic genocide.

thats enough tm i am starting to feel sorry them.

oops only jokin mate give em hell and remeber the alamo geronimo

are you sure he is a slav vlach bulagr maknews he is german i remeber him clearly his name was yavol mein komandant.

I think you may have Yavor mixed up with the delightful seargent Schultz.

i know nothing herr komandant nothing.

Here's a bigger picture of the text written on the bottom of page 112;

The text below was written by Nicholas Hammond.


So he thinks that the 'greeks' in Epirus were indeed Slavs

Do the math - 10,000 Albanians + their families in 1338. And this was just one influx. The proportion of Albanians in Greece at its conception ca 1820s would have been huge. Ethnic Albanians would have made up the majority ethnic group in Greece. It is these people who would later convert other "Christians" into "Greeks".

What we have here are fake Ellines assimilating others and creating more fake Ellines, generation after generation.

But then we already knew this, because we've witnessed it. We were there for centuries before they even started arriving.

Whats your opinion on why Macedonia was assimilated by Slavs in terms of language and customs. And why in Greece the Slavs were assimilated by Greek language and Customs ?
Could it be that the presence of Slavs in Northern Greece was stronger than the southern part ?

Pages 9, 10 and 11 are relevant to this thread.

The Greek struggle for independence, 1821-1833 By Douglas Dakin

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rk1i ... ge&f=false

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Scythian colonists ? Admixture of inferior Races ? Who says that ?!
Since when are Maniotes an equal ethnic group among " Bulgarians, Albanian, ect ? "
Something is wrong with this guy.