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in our macedonian language we have enough words with the term "SLAV", if anyone knows some more than i´ve postet, please quote my list and attach....

so we start....

macedonian words with the term "slav"

SLAVA
SLAVEJ
SLAVEN
SLAVENICKI
SLAVENJE
SLAVI
SLAVOLJUBIV
SLAVOLJUBIVOST
PRAVOSLAVEN
PRAVOSLAVIE
PRAVOSLAVNOST


it would be also very interesting to find those words who included "slav" in the other languages.....

@slovak
what do u think is the ethymological base of this words, is this a ethnicity, a area or the religion ???

if u cant understand some words-meaning, please ask.

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If the meaning is religionˌ then it was over 2.000 years aɡo. If it is ethnicity, then it is 1500 years ago. If it is a group of languages then 1000 years until today.

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it seems, that u cant understand no one word :lol:

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poor slovak ;)

r u bewildered or why cant u translate these words and therefore tell me the ethymological roots ?

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I can translate them, but I don't see your point. Either say all that you mean or just stop acting stupid. It is not moral for me to answer your question of what I think what the word Slav (Sloven, Slovan, Slaven, Slavyan, etc.) means until you explain it yourself.

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But I'll give you this question, since we are playing games. Can you give me the equivalents of the root of the word 'Slav'? And can you explain how did those roots form? That is if you know what is the root of 'Slav'.

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HA HA HA :lol:

COME UP TO MY LAB, AND SEE WHAT'S ON THE SLAB. :lol:


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Slovák wrote:
I can translate them, but I don't see your point.

U dont see my point OR U DONT WANT 2 SEE THE POINT ???

@audiance
can U see my point ???

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i guess it probably comes from slovo (a letter)...as being able to understand eachother slavic people called themselves so...for instance, for germans we say nijemci which means (speachless)..altough i m not 100% sure in this, it has logic


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u cant meddle coz u cant understand these words...and it seems like, that our highly respected linguist, also dont know what does this words mean 8)

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No Dimko, I REALLY DON'T see your point.

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Slavej: Nightingale?

The other words I think I understand too but fail to understand what you want to say with this list of words....


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pzrinski wrote:
Slavej: Nightingale?

right, a bird that "sings" "celebrates"
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ok, what does have this words together?

SLAVA
SLAVEJ
SLAVEN
SLAVENICKI
SLAVENJE
SLAVI
SLAVOLJUBIV
SLAVOLJUBIVOST
PRAVOSLAVEN
PRAVOSLAVIE
PRAVOSLAVNOST

ok, what could we consequent....could we say, that these words indicate to a "area" where "slavs" lived ???

NO!

COZ, this words means...

SLAVA = Saints day, big time, fame, glory, greatness, honour, kudos, luster, renown, stardom

SLAVEJ = have a look @pzrinski poste

SLAVEN = celebrated, adorable, beautiful, delightful, distinguished, eminent, famed, famous, glorified, glorious, illustrious, immortal, legendary, lovely, marvellous, renowned, wonder full,

SLAVENICKI = eulogistic, triumphant

SLAVENJE = celebrating

SLAVI = celebrate, dignify, eulogize, exalt, extol, glorify, hymn, jubilate

SLAVOLJUBIV = thirst for glory

SLAVOLJUBIVOST = thirst for glory

PRAVOSLAVEN = orthodox, the right faith

PRAVOSLAVIE = orthodoxy

PRAVOSLAVNOST = orthodoxy


so, the ethymological base is and was ever our RELIGON and NOT a area or a ethnicity!

end of discuss ;)

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So what does Slavs means then? Are you now going to say that Slavs were never an ethnicity? One thing it what it means or means does not change what it once was.

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Slovák wrote:
So what does Slavs means then? Are you now going to say that Slavs were never an ethnicity? One thing it what it means or means does not change what it once was.

exactly! we ever told u that the word slav never was a term 4 a ethnicity, it always based on a designated religion the ORTHODOXY = PRAVOSLAVNI

i hope u get it finally or did u know another word with "slav" that based NOT on a religion excluded the dumb greek propaganda ;)

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My name is Vojslav/Voislav. It's a military term :P


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Voya wrote:
My name is Vojslav/Voislav. It's a military term :P

its not, it means a soldier from GOD ;)

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Dimko, let me put it this way.

The root of the word Slav, i.e. in Slavic languages either as Sloven, Slovan, Slaven, Slavyan, Slovien, etc. is 'slov', 'slav' and then even further 'slo', 'sol'. It is the later form of the word Sun 'Sol' from which we get Solnce, Slnko, Slunce, etc. in various Slavic languages. From the root 'slov' we have 'sloboda' leter in Western Slavic 'svoboda' similarly is why the Slavic tribes in the West were called Suevi, Svevi, Suebi by the Romans; because Alveolar Lateral Approximant 'l' was switched in speeched by an Labiodental Approximant 'ʋ'. From the root 'slav' derives 'slava' glory, and from it the whole list of words you mentioned (but those only derived later from 'slava' glory). The word Pravoslaven is a direct translation from older original Greek ὀρθοδόξια ('ὀρθός' right, correct - prav, pravo, pravda; 'δόξα' glorification, celebration - slava, slaviti). However, ὀρθοδόξια is today translated as 'pravoverie' - 'right faith'. Unfortunately, your attempt to explain Slavs as Orthodox fails short of reality. The word Slavs (Sklaveni in Latin) appears before they were Christianized and in territory where there the Orthodox Christians were never even a majority. The word Sloveni, Slovania, Slaveni, Slavyani, Slovieni in its original form represent a different religion and word and literally mean "Sun Worshipers" (not Pravoslav-Orthodox, which by its doctrine makes it's followers "Death Worshipers", just like the rest of Christianity with a belief in the 'Jealous male god of the desert').
It can also how other meanings like 'farmers' - selovani, and even a noble/ruling class meaning. In the early Middle Ages it meant ethnicity (Slověni) as well as language (Slověnski). Today it stands for the name of a group of peoples speaking related Indo-European languages.

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The root 'slov' 'slav' derive from the older 'sol', 'sul' as I mentioned before, however, it derives from even an older version.

In many languages Alveolar Lateral Approximant 'l' is in fact derived from an older form: Alveolar Approximant 'ɹ' (check this table for explanation). We mostly write 'ɹ' as just 'r' but it is an individual thing of how we pronounce it.
The older for of 'sol', 'sul' is 'sur', 'sru'. The first root being 'sar' which means high, esteemed, light, white, glorious. From this root we later have a myriad of words and meanings and an even greater myriad of different peoples and groups who had their name formed from 'sar' one way or another. The root 'sar' first forms the word 'Sur', 'Surya' which is the oldest name for the Sun in IE (Indo-European). Based on it, any group of people who have this root in their group's name are in fact "Sun Worshipers", and not only in theory as there are evidence for all of them that they in fact were "Sun Worshipers", "The Sun People": Suri. From Suri we later have Survi, Surevi, Surians, Syrians, Sarmati (Sarbati: Bilabial Plosive Voiced 'b' being replaced by Bilabial Nasal 'm' and sometimes Unvoiced 'p'), Surbi, Sirbi, Serbi, etc. Reflexion of 'rb' occurs as well, so we have Subri, Sibri, Sabiri. Alveolar Fricative 's' is sometimes replaced by Postalveolar Fricative 'ʃ' ('sh', 'š') so we have Šuri, Šurbi, Šumeri (Šuberi: Sumerians).
Another change occurred which is even more common, but more distant in terms of voices. While 'l' and 'r' are both Alveolar and 's' and 'š' are Fricatives, the next change that happened was between these Fricatives and the Velar, Uvular, Pharyngeal and Glottal i.e. the "back" vowels. These are shown in the table I posted. The first example of this change is show in the two most oldest IE languages, Sanskrit and Avestan. An example (observe):

surəm damohu scvistəm
suram dhamasu savistham

miθrəm yazai zaoθrabyo
mitram yajai hotrabhyah

(bold is Sanskrit, regular is Avestan)

I do not know the exact word for this change (from Fricatives/Sibilants to "back" vowels), but I do know the reversed proves which appears in Serbian and Slovak (because I learned it) and is called Sibilarization, for example 'noga' > 'nozi, 'ruka' > 'ruci', 'orah' > 'orasima', 'duh' > 'duševni', 'bog' > 'bože', 'ruka' > ručni' etc. However, in Slavic languages Palatalization is far more common and one of the main features of Slavic languages (changes from "back" vowels to Palatals).

There is also the phenomenon called Bethatism which occurs among the Labial consonants (Bilabial and Labiodental) mainly between Plosives (p,b) and Fricatives (ɸˌf,β,v). Such is the reason why Babylon is Vavilon in Serbian, or Byzantium is Vizantium.

The last change I would like to mention is when an Unvoiced consonant replaces a Voiced one and vice-versa: s-z, t-d, p-b, š-ž, etc.

The vowels change among themselves much more freely and follow less rules than consonants. If you know how vowels are articulated you'll understand how they can change into virtually any other vowel.

Just to note. These changes do not just happen. It is a lengthy process of decades and centuries of conversation between peoples, the lack of certain sounds in some languages while abundance in other and replacing them when a foreign word is encountered (like why Greeks call Serbia 'Servia' because they don't have 'b').

So we have for example word 'zora' which means dawn, we have a lot of synonyms for the Sun, from both roots 'sr' and 'sl' like:
Sol, Kolo, Galo, Helo, Cyrcle (sur-sol), Horo, Oro, Hero, etc.
Traditional Slavic dances all have Kolo or Oro, Horo, because it is the dance of the "Sun Worshipers", the ancient religion of all Indo-Europeans and wider. Nothing to do with Orthodoxy or Christianity which come millenniums later.

If you understood what I mentioned above then you can figure out for yourself how did the names of the following groups of peoples came to be and how they are all tied to the root Sur=Sun:
Serbi, Sarmati, Kimeri, Kimbri, Huritti, Asuri, Horvati, Sloveni, Kelti, Gali, Skoloti (Sokoloti), Germani (Serbani :D ), Helleni, etc.

To add to that, there are names of rivers (Srbica, Sirbis, Slovenka, etc.), mountains, lands (Siberia, Serbia, Slavonia, Galatia, Carpathia, etc.) that also have the same root connected with the Sun.

So there you have it. The root for Sun is originally present in nearly all Indo-European language groups and names of peoples. There are also a lot of roots that have a synonymous meaning like 'luk' and 'kiś', but about these another time. There is far too much of it for this forum and its members to handle and I only have a humble knowledge of it.

So to conclude, the root 'slav' is only a small part of the greater group of roots (conveniently most of them are gathered in the Dhatupatha of Panini). It can stand for people, religion, culture, social class, a wide range of geographical terms and much much more.

And next time Dimko, think before you say anything. You act as an overexcited cheerleader, a phase which I regret going through myself.

What I wrote above took me two hours, but it is only a small part of the whole picture.

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dimko-piperkata asked:

SLAVA ZELAVA = Saints dayZAIT DZEN, bigZEVIG time, fameZAVAME, gloryZELORY, greatnessZELEAT, honourZONOV, kudosZUD, lusterZELUST, renownZEDOVN, stardomSVETALDZOM

SLAVEJ ZELAVEY = have a look @pzrinski poste

SLAVEN ZELAVEN = celebrated ZELEVRAT, adorable ADZOL, beautifulZEVEAT, delightfulDZELIHT, distinguished, eminent ZEMINENT, famedZAVAM, famousZEVAMOUS, glorified, glorious, illustriousZILLUST, immortal, legendary, lovelyZOVELI, marvellous, renowned, wonder full,

SLAVENICKI ZELAVNICKI = eulogisticZEVLODZI, triumphantDZELIVAD

SLAVENJE ZELAVENYE= celebrating ZELEV

SLAVI ZELAVI = celebrate, dignify, eulogize, exalt EZALT, extol, glorify, hymn ZUMN, jubilate ZUVILAT

ETC ETC it seems to be past present tense mixings for the same words

SLAVOLJUBIV = thirst for glory

SLAVOLJUBIVOST = thirst for glory

PRAVOSLAVEN = orthodox, the right faithZEVAIT

PRAVOSLAVIE = orthodoxy

PRAVOSLAVNOST = orthodoxy


SLOVAK WROTE:

If you understood what I mentioned above then you can figure out for yourself how did the names of the following groups of peoples came to be and how they are all tied to the root Sur=Sun: ZUN
Serbi ZELVI, Sarmati ZALMATI, Kimeri ZIMELI, Kimbri ZIMVRI, Huritti ZULITTI, Asuri AZULI(azzuri??), Horvati ZOLVATI, Sloveni ZELOVENI, Kelti ZELTI, Gali ZALI, Skoloti SOLOTI (Sokoloti), GermaniZELMANI (Serbani )ZELVANI, Helleni ZELLENI, etc.

To add to that, there are names of rivers (Srbica ZELVICA, Sirbis ZILVIS, Slovenka, etc.), mountains, lands (Siberia ZHIVELIA, Serbia ZELVIA, Slavonia ZELAVONIA, Galatia ZALATIA, Carpathia ZALVATIA, etc.) that also have the same root connected with the Sun. ZUNCE

WHAT I WROTE TOOK 4 MINUTES ( i was typing slow)

It is all zemakedonski, in whatever alfabet you want to use it makes sense.

Now we need to take it from here and investigate this further.

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