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Western historians have distorted that history and short changed others. That’s a problem.
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Is this your way of saying that an Albanian, a Vlach, a grkoman and a prosfyga are ‘ethnic Greeks’?



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Bad guys these western Historians..... Conspiracy in favor of Greeks ....

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No, I mean that anybody in the Balkans has a mixed blood. And in my opinion, there is very small racial difference between Bulgarians and Macedonians. Between Serbians and Macedonians, much more. Between Macedonians and Greeks much more.


But ALL are mixed.


NO ONE IS "PURE" ANYTHING , VERY PLAIN AND SIMPLE !

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Andreas Syggros wrote:
#1 Bad guys these western Historians..... Conspiracy in favor of Greeks . . .

It’s not a conspiracy, most of the so-called Greek history in play today was put together by naïve and idyllic Western historians. It would have been written before the Modern Greek kingdom was established. Sadly, these naïve histories influenced Otto and have now become the basis of today’s Modern Greek identity. You can still see echoes of this naïve historical approach in some historians, especially the ones who refer to themselves as philhellenes.

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#2 No, I mean that anybody in the Balkans has a mixed blood. And in my opinion, there is very small racial difference between Bulgarians and Macedonians. Between Serbians and Macedonians, much more. Between Macedonians and Greeks much more.

But ALL are mixed.

Agreed, everybody has mixed blood.

I would argue that the difference between Macedonians on the one hand and Serbs or Bulgarians on the other is about equidistant.

When you say ‘Greeks’ clearly the difference has to be much larger as most of today’s Greeks are recent immigrants to the Balkans. If you count the people in Greece prior to the establishment of a Bavarian kingdom in the region, then the differences would be much smaller.


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Some things I know about the Suho dialect.
There is almost no e in the Suho dialect. Every e is pronounce ja for the Suhini. And sometimes they say u instead of o (typical for peasants :oops: *)
Some examples from toponyms of the village i know
Bjala Voda instead of Bela Voda (white water)
Goljama Rjaka or Guljama Rjaka instead of Golema Reka (Big River)
chovjak or chuvjak instead of chovek (I know that because my dad called me budala chuvjak sometimes :lol: :lol: )

Do you have any idea what the following could mean?
Iribichjak or Iribichek
Samatrak
Baidzhi (maybe turkish)
Puklinik or maybe Poklinik
Maras

Any help for the above?

*Suho was not that small. It had 3500 inhabitants back in 1913. It was one of the biggest villages of Macedonia. Or some could say one of the smallest towns of Macedonia.

Any help for my questions?

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Iribichjak or Iribichek – may mean some kind of tool for cutting ‘bichkiche’ [may also be associated with fishing as riba/ribi means fish]

Samatrak - may be a person from Samo Thrace

Baidzhi (maybe turkish) – could ask a Turk speaker

Puklinik or maybe Poklinik – no idea

Maras – might be miras = inheritance, as in I have a miras from my grandfather, he gave me an acre of land


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Something I forgot to mention. All these are placenames.
Sorry.

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Iribichjak might mean a place where there are fish

Samatrak might be similar to samotraki

Maras might be a place that smells (miris) depending on your dialect or it could mean an icy cold place (m'ras)


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Something I forgot to mention. All these are placenames.
Sorry.


SORRY OFF TOPIC

Is there a site with pictures of EVERY Macedonian City, town and village .. Greek library archives?

Thanks

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There were definitely some 'Greeks' in Aegean Macedonia, not too many but some, however they were not 'ethnic Greeks'. They were nothing more than partially Hellenised Vlach and various grkomani.

I think you got it wrong here.
There were ethnic Greeks in Macedonia. They mainly resided in the cities (Solun, Ber, Ser, Drama, Kozani, Katerini, Kavala). The whole area around Katerini was inhabited by Greek speaking christian orthodox people, Vlachs and Turks. The only Macedonian speaking village was Libanovo (now Eginio). Its residents were moved to Bulgaria.
Also Halkidiki had Greek speaking christian orthodox people and Turks solely. The city of Solun had more Greeks than Macedonian (Bugaromani mainly, they were forced to leave the city for Bulgaria). The majority of Solun were the Jews followed by the Turks.
The small town of Nigrita had Greek people like the Darnakohoria (Ser Region) did.
The town of Doxato is well known for having an indigenous Greek population.
There were also Greeks in the area that is south of Kostur.

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Suhin wrote:
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There were definitely some 'Greeks' in Aegean Macedonia, not too many but some, however they were not 'ethnic Greeks'. They were nothing more than partially Hellenised Vlach and various grkomani.

I think you got it wrong here.
There were ethnic Greeks in Macedonia. They mainly resided in the cities (Solun, Ber, Ser, Drama, Kozani, Katerini, Kavala). The whole area around Katerini was inhabited by Greek speaking christian orthodox people, Vlachs and Turks. The only Macedonian speaking village was Libanovo (now Eginio). Its residents were moved to Bulgaria.
Also Halkidiki had Greek speaking christian orthodox people and Turks solely. The city of Solun had more Greeks than Macedonian (Bugaromani mainly, they were forced to leave the city for Bulgaria). The majority of Solun were the Jews followed by the Turks.
The small town of Nigrita had Greek people like the Darnakohoria (Ser Region) did.
The town of Doxato is well known for having an indigenous Greek population.
There were also Greeks in the area that is south of Kostur.

Добра Ноќ.


What about the HOME of Makedonia - Florina ? Ola Vulgaros ?

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING ? SKOPIA, FLORINA (DID THEY GUARD THE NAME) ?

Q. WHY DID THE GREEK GOVERNMENT TRY TO CHANGE MY VILLAGE NAME ? THEY WERE THE ONES WHO CHANGED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE FUNNY THING HERE IS THAT IT WAS THE GRKOMANI WHO SAID "OXI" TO THE GOVERNMENT. THEY SAID OK LETS CALL IT NEVOLENI AGAIN .. THESE ARE PRO GREEK PEOPLE.

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RMK wrote:
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There were definitely some 'Greeks' in Aegean Macedonia, not too many but some, however they were not 'ethnic Greeks'. They were nothing more than partially Hellenised Vlach and various grkomani.

I think you got it wrong here.
There were ethnic Greeks in Macedonia. They mainly resided in the cities (Solun, Ber, Ser, Drama, Kozani, Katerini, Kavala). The whole area around Katerini was inhabited by Greek speaking christian orthodox people, Vlachs and Turks. The only Macedonian speaking village was Libanovo (now Eginio). Its residents were moved to Bulgaria.
Also Halkidiki had Greek speaking christian orthodox people and Turks solely. The city of Solun had more Greeks than Macedonian (Bugaromani mainly, they were forced to leave the city for Bulgaria). The majority of Solun were the Jews followed by the Turks.
The small town of Nigrita had Greek people like the Darnakohoria (Ser Region) did.
The town of Doxato is well known for having an indigenous Greek population.
There were also Greeks in the area that is south of Kostur.

Добра Ноќ.


What about the HOME of Makedonia - Florina ? Ola Vulgaros ?

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING ? SKOPIA, FLORINA

I didn't mention the areas that were inhabited my Macedonians. We know them. Lerin, Enidzhe-Vardar, Kostur, Voden, Kukush, demir Hisar and almost ALL of the rural areas of Macedonia [except Katerini, Kozani (only Kozani not Kajlar), Halkidiki)].

What's this "Ola Voulgaros"* thing? I'm not just Greek. I'm also Macedonian.

*You should say Olo Vulgari (meaning full of Bulgarians) or Oli (Όλοι) Vulgari.

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They also changed my village's name from Suho to Sohos.

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I didn't mention the areas that were inhabited my Macedonians. We know them. Lerin, Enidzhe-Vardar, Kostur, Voden, Kukush, demir Hisar and almost ALL of the rural areas of Macedonia [except Katerini, Kozani (only Kozani not Kajlar), Halkidiki)].

What's this "Ola Voulgaros"* thing? I'm not just Greek. I'm also Macedonian.

*You should say Olo Vulgari (meaning full of Bulgarians) or Oli (Όλοι) Vulgari.

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Yes, that's correct "meaning full of Bulgarians" which is MORE Greek bull shit and lies on their part (not you).

So the Greeks invented the alphabet yet they can't say C or B (Tzeeseburger i Vulgari) :roll:

Kajlari makes me very PROUD to be Macedonian, they speak it to this day !! :clap: :clap

Who else speaks perfect Makedonski in Greece ? Majari (sp)

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They also changed my village's name from Suho to Sohos.


That's the whole thing the Greeks went "S" crazy but NOT "Skopia" or "Vevi" (more) :P

Truth be told Greeks have ALWAYS been VERY CAREFUL around Florina. :lol:

Every country should have at least one city called Macedonia ! I'll see if CANADA will re-name a province - Macedonia

TORONTO, MACEDONIA CANADA ?

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Suhin wrote:
I think you got it wrong here.
There were ethnic Greeks in Macedonia. They mainly resided in the cities (Solun, Ber, Ser, Drama, Kozani, Katerini, Kavala). The whole area around Katerini was inhabited by Greek speaking christian orthodox people, Vlachs and Turks.

Suhin, just so I understand you more clearly, what do you mean by 'ethnic Greeks' here.


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Stefche thanks, ama I misunderstand. The fellow speaks Macedonian and is ethnic Macedonian and yet he's anti Macedonian. I don't understand how that can be.
after civil war many ethnic macedonian familys were split those that stayed in greece inherited their familys lands which have been passed on to next generations many have taken morgtages on these properties they fear greatly the reurn of thier exiled blood fearing that they might try to claim property. Situations like this have turned ethnic macedonians into staunch grkomani/greek nationalists. Sad but true..

Others fear the ethnic macedonians because their familys colaberated against them,sphioni if you know what i mean. These become the worst kind of grkomani/greek nationalists.


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Nice to read from you again Staro_Selo and yes Vodenka is a "Champion" from Makedonia. Not only is she very knowledgeable, she's honest which makes the Turk posters look like a bunch of clowns from some cheap bordello.


LMAO Good one.

RMK from your posts I get that you are married to a greek. I would have assumed a Macedonian champion such as yourself would have strictly wanted to marry a fellow Macedonian girl.


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Nice to read from you again Staro_Selo and yes Vodenka is a "Champion" from Makedonia. Not only is she very knowledgeable, she's honest which makes the Turk posters look like a bunch of clowns from some cheap bordello.


LMAO Good one.

RMK from your posts I get that you are married to a greek. I would have assumed a Macedonian champion such as yourself would have strictly wanted to marry a fellow Macedonian girl.


With me love has NO BORDERS (not joking).

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Fair enough. However, your love interests counteract you national/ethnic interest in particular the work you do for the Macedonian cause. How do you manage to overcome such issues? I would assume they would be a thorn to any couple.


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Fair enough. However, your love interests counteract you national/ethnic interest in particular the work you do for the Macedonian cause. How do you manage to overcome such issues? I would assume they would be a thorn to any couple.


Not at all she's a GREAT PERSON and it's not like I say we can't listen to Greek muzika, go to a church or dance.

Many Greek people know who I am and what I do so we just DON'T talk politics whenever possible. I NEVER start things but if they disrespect me (Macedonian) ... LOOK OUT !!

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I get it. You are in it for the sex. :D


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