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RMK · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2008 20:36

stefanos.gr wrote:

vodenka wrote:

Stefanos, you are right. By the new law renaming names of villages, streets and placenames is exclusive right and responsibility of the local authorities (municipality) with a decission taken by majority from the city council. Absolutely nothing to do with government. Government has no word on it, as you wrote. Do you know that this is not applied for Macedonian villages and cities? In 2006 a decision in the Municipality of Voden passed that a street in the new city's suburb would have been named after our Resistance Heroine Irini Gkini (Mirka Ginova, in Macedonian). This was a desire of the majority of the Voden inhabitants. The problem is that, in a complete unlawfully manner, the Periferiarhis (who is appointed and not elected) had blocked the decision with no explanation. Do not kid yourself, Stefanos, that we are living in an European Democratic country, because it is not so and I can prove this, in many occasions!

hmm... very interesting. Do you have any references on it? It is for me somehow hard to belive that the majority of Edessa's city council would make such proposal.
PS: and a minor correction. The law about the authority of renaming is now "new". It is in use at least for decades.

NOVO ELLADA - EVERYTHING IS NEW SEGA

YOU CAN EVEN TODAY CLAIM TO BE GREEK !!

stefanos.gr · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2008 21:08

bratchko wrote:

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and this is the mayor of Florina, Stefanos Papanastasiou

this guy looks like a ponti

for sure ![/quote]

Bratchko, tell me... would ever the citizens of the municipality, which includes besides the town of Florina, the villages Alona, Armenohori, Koryfi, Mesonisi, Proti, Skopia & Trivouno, to vote for pontian?

see the list of the past mayors and tell me how many pontians you see...
http://www.cityoflorina.gr/diatelesdimarxoi.htm

vodenka · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2008 21:41

NOMOΣ ΥΠ' ΑΡΙΘ. 3463 (ΦΕΚ Α 114 8.6.2006)

Κύρωση του Κώδικα Δήμων και Κοινοτήτων.

I mean the law above (2006), what "decades" are you talking about? And this law has been forced on Greece by EU rules and directives. But, As I know and you do not and, like the majority of Greek people, most probably, DO NOT WANT TO KNOW, as soon a law is made, they immediately find the trick to avoid to enforce it, when they think it is against their NATIONAL INTERESTS. For how long do you think Greece will be able to hide and play games?
As about the fact is very real and was also on local newspapers. Why do you doubt that in Voden such a proposal could have been made? Not only was made but it also passed by the majority of the mayor Sontras(he is Macedonian). It was blocked a month later by the Periferiarhis. So much for democracy!

Mlade · **Joined:** 15 Sep 2007 22:27 **Posts:** 2344

Looks like I heard of the wrong Voskopulos that was appointed to a state job in Lerin. My mistake.

RMK I do know who the people are that you referred in the above post, I do know of that particular Macedonian priest.

vodenka · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2008 21:52

Voskopoulos John (Ioannis) is the elected, with Nea Dimokratia Party, President of the Florina Prefecture and first grade cousin of Pavle Voskopoulos, member of Vinozito. Pavle is a public administration empoloyee in the Prefecture of Florina.

GStojanov · **Joined:** 20 Oct 2005 15:32 **Posts:** 537

Few more links for Suhin and vodenka:

The most prominent modern time scientist studying the dialects of Suho and Visoka:
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/940414/golab.shtml

Info on Macedonian language:
http://volanskopje.blogspot.com/2006/05 ... -from.html

Macedonian Gramar by Victor Friedman:
http://www.seelrc.org:8080/grammar/main ... nguageID=3

Misirkov:
http://www.misirkov.org/

stefanos.gr · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2008 22:25

vodenka wrote:

NOMOΣ ΥΠ' ΑΡΙΘ. 3463 (ΦΕΚ Α 114 8.6.2006)

Κύρωση του Κώδικα Δήμων και Κοινοτήτων.

I mean the law above (2006), what "decades" are you talking about? And this law has been forced on Greece by EU rules and directives. But, As I know and you do not and, like the majority of Greek people, most probably, DO NOT WANT TO KNOW, as soon a law is made, they immediately find the trick to avoid to enforce it, when they think it is against their NATIONAL INTERESTS. For how long do you think Greece will be able to hide and play games?
As about the fact is very real and was also on local newspapers. Why do you doubt that in Voden such a proposal could have been made? Not only was made but it also passed by the majority of the mayor Sontras(he is Macedonian). It was blocked a month later by the Periferiarhis. So much for democracy!

So, you claim that up until 2006, the naming or renaming of streets, villages and places was not an authority of the municipalities? Who decided ? The government?

You are right about the "Irini Gkini" street. I found lots of references, but nothing about periferiarxi's intervention.

RMK · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2008 23:34

stefanos.gr wrote:

vodenka wrote:

NOMOΣ ΥΠ' ΑΡΙΘ. 3463 (ΦΕΚ Α 114 8.6.2006)

Κύρωση του Κώδικα Δήμων και Κοινοτήτων.

I mean the law above (2006), what "decades" are you talking about? And this law has been forced on Greece by EU rules and directives. But, As I know and you do not and, like the majority of Greek people, most probably, DO NOT WANT TO KNOW, as soon a law is made, they immediately find the trick to avoid to enforce it, when they think it is against their NATIONAL INTERESTS. For how long do you think Greece will be able to hide and play games?
As about the fact is very real and was also on local newspapers. Why do you doubt that in Voden such a proposal could have been made? Not only was made but it also passed by the majority of the mayor Sontras(he is Macedonian). It was blocked a month later by the Periferiarhis. So much for democracy!

So, you claim that up until 2006, the naming or renaming of streets, villages and places was not an authority of the municipalities? Who decided ? The government?

You are right about the "Irini Gkini" street. I found lots of references, but nothing about periferiarxi's intervention.

The rule of thumb in greece is there is NO RULE and if there is they change it VERY FAST to gain FULL CONTROL just like Hitler (Metaxas) did. How much has changed ?

How many laws were created against the "Skopianos" (ethnic macedonians) in Ellada?

Why should Canada or the United States of America give these people human rights? They can't BUY history because it's not 4 sale. Let them speak with Turkey about Macedonian history.

Fatso · **Posted:** 14 Jan 2008 00:08

RMK said ;

Let them speak with Turkey about Macedonian history.

The Turks should first speak with

Armenians..Armenian genocide
Bulgarians...........Batak massacre
Cypriots....................name one nation recognizes Turkish Cyprus
Kurds......................ongonig genocide
Greeks.....................Smyrna
Albanians.................League of Prezven
Macedonian village of Kushovo.............hundreds of girls raped and had there heads cut off.

Who should the Greeks speak with?
:roll:

RMK · **Posted:** 14 Jan 2008 00:13

Fatso wrote:

RMK said ;

Let them speak with Turkey about Macedonian history.

The Turks should first speak with

Armenians..Armenian genocide
Bulgarians...........Batak massacre
Cypriots....................name one nation recognizes Turkish Cyprus
Kurds......................ongonig genocide
Greeks.....................Smyrna
Albanians.................League of Prezven
Macedonian village of Kushovo.............hundreds of girls raped and had there heads cut off.

Who should the Greeks speak with?
:roll:

After close to 500 years they have the paper work, does Greece have it ?

Geeks DON"T have BLOOD on their own hands ?

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