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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2009 02:19 
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My friend Kocho and I did a little recording so you could hear how we speak. My voice is a bit weak (cough, cough) but it came out okay. We didn't rehearse this and we ramble, so just consider this a test.

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2009 03:53 
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:lol abe... kocho sounds like one tursia dude i know. :toast


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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maknews wrote:
My friend Kocho and I did a little recording so you could hear how we speak. My voice is a bit weak (cough, cough) but it came out okay. We didn't rehearse this and we ramble, so just consider this a test.

assets/kocho_lupcho.mp3

That recording was great maknews :clap: I loved Kocho's tiny, teencie-weencie Canadian accent, especially when he said "paRi, LeRin, and Rabota" :D
I don't think I heard though the "shch" combination instead of "sht" in that recording. eg: nishcho, ushche, kuchishcha, dechishcha, etc. It's Ok, I used the word "shchemba" in my recording as an example.
Za site shto velat "sht", probaj da velite "dechishcha - boys/children" pet pati mnogu brzo. Dobra vezhba e za jazikot :tongue

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2009 06:46 
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Bufsko wrote:
That recording was great maknews. I loved Kocho's tiny, teencie-weencie Canadian accent, especially when he said "paRi, LeRin, and Rabota" :D

Wow, I'm surprised you actually noticed that ever-so-faint pronunciation of the rs. That's the Toronto dialect. :razz

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I don't think I heard though the "shch" combination instead of "sht" in that recording. eg: nishcho, ushche, kuchishcha, dechishcha, etc. It's Ok, I used the word "shchemba" in my recording as an example.


I don't know about Kocho, but we can't say "sht" it's like a foreign language to us. We only say "shch". I'll try and put a few words together.

This was a random thing, we just wanted to see if it would work.


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2009 08:01 
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when kocho went Lazec did he talk to a Nikola thats my uncle

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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Maknews, ti go slushnaf klipcheto, ti isto zborvash ko nie od Bitola. Kocho tro po inaku zborva


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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We are all from Pelagonia we talk the same except for some little differences.

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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da be znam. It sounds weird how Kocho uses "beshe" instead of "bef" like yaska beshe vo Lerin, where we say yaska bef vo Lerin. I heard that some of the eastern Macedonians use that, but didn't know that they used it in egejska.


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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Hi Bufsko, I've got a little response to your shch words.

assets/lupcho.mp3


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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The Bufski sample is excellent. Lets upload some more. Maybe some old folks telling stories, or singing old songs, or just talking about their youth in Aegean Macedonia...


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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maknews wrote:
Hi Bufsko, I've got a little response to your shch words.

assets/lupcho.mp3

We speak practically the same as you Maknews. The only exception of the "shch" words is the word "G'rchki". We say G'rtski and G'rtsi. We drop a lot of consonants as well and replace them with a "Y/J":
"Kaj ojsh" instead of "Kade odish", "Ke grejsh ti?" instead of "ke gredish" and "Sho prajsh" instead of "shto pravish" for example. The letters "V" and "D" are omitted as well in certain words:
Ubav
Uba
Ubao
Ubai

Suv
Sua
Suo
Sui

Nedela = Nela, glava = gla, and most importantly: the letter "t" is never pronounced at the end of a noun as you already know - stiso - the wall, grado, lebo, molivo, and meo (literary MK = mevot).
*Nema gajle sho me vikna "Buf dete". Mislam deka ti si malce postar od mene. Ne ke ti kazham kolku godini imam, ama sum postar od "Stefche" Stamkos i pomlad (odvaj) od Ed Jovanovski :)

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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We do talk the same way - as we should. My dedo was from Bouf and a nice chunk of my village are Bufchani and Rakovtsi (the good kind).

You're right about g'rtski vs g'rchki. We should all say g'rtski but the "edumacation" system in Vardaria changed it to g'rchki. Can you imagine if we also said Turchki.

Like you we say d'rzha instead of d'rzhava, s'ntse instead of solntse, Ne'ela instead of Nedela and we never ruin a word by putting a "t" at the end of it.

BTW, I'm 49 years old, so that makes you my grandson.


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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GStojanov wrote:
The Bufski sample is excellent. Lets upload some more. Maybe some old folks telling stories, or singing old songs, or just talking about their youth in Aegean Macedonia...

I am glad you liked it. When I have time, I will do another with a comparison of Literary Macedonian compared to the Bufski dialect. My relatives inadvertently use a lot of English words, since they have lived in Canada for over 30 years. "oti ne fona ti - why didn't you call", "ke odam vo karo - I am going in the car" for example.

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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maknews wrote:
We do talk the same way - as we should. My dedo was from Bouf and a nice chunk of my village are Bufchani and Rakovtsi (the good kind).

You're right about g'rtski vs g'rchki. We should all say g'rtski but the "edumacation" system in Vardaria changed it to g'rchki. Can you imagine if we also said Turchki.

Like you we say d'rzha instead of d'rzhava, s'ntse instead of solntse, Ne'ela instead of Nedela and we never ruin a word by putting a "t" at the end of it.

BTW, I'm 49 years old, so that makes you my grandson.

We utilize the short "u" "ъ" instead of "ol". V'k, zh'to, etc.
I forgot to mention that we don't pronounce the letter "g" for the words "go and gi". "I najdu chelite - Gi najdov chevlite". "Toj o izede mesoto".
Maybe I could be a nephew to you, but I don't think a grandson. I am bald and my knees make a cracking sound when I straighten my legs - Star dedo sum jas :D

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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Don't worry about balding, we'll just steal some hair from Alek, he's pulling it out anyway. As for a creaking knee, nothing some oil won't fix.

Most important thing is we have the best dialect. :twisted:


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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Rather then the formal kako si? We would say sho prais, sho stava or sho te ebem ..

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Makedonska_Kafana wrote:
...or sho te ebem

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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maknews wrote:
Makedonska_Kafana wrote:
...or sho te ebem

:lol


Classic line used by your older cousin Done K ot Bouf ..

:lol :lol

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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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jas/jaska - I
mene - me
nino - his
nina - hers
tia - they
toj - he
ta - she
nie - we
koa - when
sho - what
kak - how
koj - who/which
chie - whose
ie - is
i - and


I would appreciate it if someone could compare this list with standard Macedonian.


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 Post subject: Re: Project: Macedonain dialects from Aegean Macedonia
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Tsutsul Pase Goveda wrote:
jas/jaska - I
mene - me
nino - his
nina - hers
tia - they
toj - he
ta - she
nie - we
koa - when
sho - what
kak - how
koj - who/which
chie - whose
ie - is
i - and


I would appreciate it if someone could compare this list with standard Macedonian.

Were you one of my students.

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