So I guess Maknews and Osiris ddin't create the term "Arvanitovlach" as stated a few times before by our former modern "greek" members. This is just the beginning. I have much more on this

I use the term differently than Winnifrith. He means it to refer to Vlach who derive from Albania and who have adopted the fake Hellenic cult. In my terminology, the Arvanovlach are the blended group of Arvanites and Vlach who pissed away their ethnic heritage and became Modern Greeks. I don't concern myself with their place of origin - which would have been widespread -- well beyond the Balkans.

Arvanitovlachs is just the beginning Maknews. Regardless how you or I use the term the fact is it exists. In a few hours I'll have more up. Then we can sit around drinking Turkish coffee asking ourselves 'How in the hell are modern "greeks" anything hellenic '

Your articles on the Arvanites and Vlach give some idea why the new Hellenic cult isn't based on bloodline or historical continuity, and why the new Hellenes had to be fabricated out of non-Greek stock. But we know this intimately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKMlqvbRZOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6y77blg ... re=related

These are the proud Vlachs! There is nothing "greek" on them! The only "greek" about them is that part of them belonged to the greek-orthodox Patriarcate and were brainwashed that have ancient greek origin, like all the other "greeks"!

The Greek Orthodox Church will have alot of explaining to do in the near future.

http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/06/13 ... reek-poet/

1798: Rigas Feraios, Greek poet


On this date in 1798, the Greek revolutionary Rigas Feraios and five co-conspirators were strangled by their Ottoman captors on the Danube River en route to Constantinople to prevent their rescue.

A Vlach by blood, Feraios was a hero — and ultimately a martyr — of Greek independence years before the revolution against Ottoman rule that would deliver it.

A Renaissance man for the Greek Enlightenment, Feraios had a variegated youthful career knocking about the Ottomans’ Balkan possessions and absorbing the revolutionary Zeitgeist abroad in Europe.

Settling in Vienna in his mid-thirties, he brandished his pen in the service of an imagined pan-Balkan, pan-Hellenic uprising to shake off the Turkish yoke. He edited the first Greek newspaper, published a map* and constitution for the imagined realm of the “Inhabitants of Rumeli, Asia Minor, the Islands of the Aegean, and the principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia”, and churned out blood-stirring poetry in Demotic, the vernacular tongue — most memorably, the Thourio, i.e., “War Hymn”.

… and a little taste of the gist, in English:

How long, my heroes, shall we live in bondage,
alone,like lions on ridges, on peaks?
Living in caves, seeing our children turned
from the land to bitter enslavement?
Losing our land, brothers, and parents,
our friends, our children, and all our relations?
Better an hour of life that is free
than forty years in slavery.

This sort of fire-breather is not the sort of man the Ottomans were keen on seeing involve himself with Bonaparte, most especially now that the French kingpin had started outfitting Oriental adventures. The Turks’ Austrian allies nabbed Feraios in Trieste en route to confer with Napoleon’s Italian subalterns about interfering in the Balkans.

Shipped to the governor of Belgrade, Feraios was to be sent to Constantinople for adjudication by Sultan Selim III. A Turkish buddy of the poet’s, however, happened to be blocking the way with a sizable force of his own who’d been administering a rebel statelet carved out of Ottoman territory. Tipped that this gentleman was keen to liberate the Turks’ unwelcome prisoners if they tried to pass, the local authorities had them summarily strangled and their bodies dumped in the Danube.

* Including Constantinople. The dream of “Greater Greece” would persist long, and die hard.



Wow a real modern "greek" descended from the ancients like Zeus, Pericles, Agamemnon, Herpes, Aids, Dyslexia, WHATEVA If you click on the link you'll see a youtube paste in there. Click and watch it. All the hero's of their revolution were Vlachs and Albanians

Here's a coin of the fat Vlach Rigas This descendant of the ancient hellenes is sure chunky. No offense Fatso but Rigas got you by a cheeseburger

http://books.google.com/books?id=0rpOAA ... &ct=result

From the book Indian Nationality by Robert Niven Gilchrist, page 19;

The Greeks are also very mixed. The Greeks themselves also cling to the idea that they are descended from the ancient Hellenes, a fancy which Byron and Victor Hugo used with much effect. But the modern Greeks are really a mixture of the old Hellenic stock, with Slavs, Vlachs, Turks, and Italians. One of the most remarkable things about Greek culture is the absorptive power of the old Hellenic civilization - an excellent example of a superior culture imposing itself on conquerors.

Page 25;

The other part of the wedge is Rumania, inhabited by a people alien in both race and language to their Ugrain and Slav neighbors. The Rumanians are a Latin people, speaking a Latin language. They are known often as Vlachs, from the name of one of the Rumanian provinces (Wallchia). There are many Vlachs in Greece. They also call themselves Aromani, or Romans, but the Greek attitude towards the Vlach settlers, who are mostly shepherds or farmers, is seen from the Greek word blachos, which means either a shepherd or an ignorant, uncultivated rustic.


Page 58;

These stories of common origin are frequently found in western societies. Sometime the common ancestor is a god, as Zeus, or simply a real or legendary personality, as Hunyor or Magyor. Everyone is familiar with the bible story of the creation of the world, of the sons of Noah and the patriarchs. Early literature is filled with stories of heroes and gods - or rather god-heroes - whose exploits, more often imaginary than real, were the material on which early civic loyalty was fed.
The modern sciences of antropology, ethnology, and comparitive philology, it is true have made severe inroads into such national beliefs. By anthropometry these sciences are able to mark of racial groups, and a study of the boundaries of modern nationalities reveals considerable discrepancies. However pure the early Zeus-descended Greeks were, for example, the modern Greek nation (which is coterminous mainly with Greek nationality) is racially mixed to a very high degree.


Pure Hellenes

http://www.farsarotul.org/nl26_1.htm

by Helen Abadzi1

Abstract

The Vlachs speak a language that evolved from Latin. It was transmitted by Romans to many peoples and was used as an international language for centuries. Most Vlach populations live in and around the borders of modern Greece. The word ‘Vlachs’ appears in the Byzantine documents at about the 10th century, but few details are connected with it and it is unclear it means for various authors. It has been variously hypothesized that Vlachs are descendants of Roman soldiers, Thracians, diaspora Romanians, or Latinized Greeks. However, the ethnic makeup of the empires that ruled the Balkans and the use of the language as a lingua franca suggest that the Vlachs do not have one single origin. DNA studies might clarify relationships, but these have not yet been done. In the 19th century Vlach was spoken by shepherds in Albania who had practically no relationship with Hellenism as well as by urban Macedonians who had Greek education dating back to at least the 17th century and who considered themselves Greek. The latter gave rise to many politicians, literary figures, and national benefactors in Greece. Because of the language, various religious and political special interests tried to attract the Vlachs in the 19th and early 20th centuries. At the same time, the Greek church and government were hostile to their language. The disputes of the era culminated in emigrations, alienation of thousands of people, and near-disappearance of the language. Nevertheless, due to assimilation and marriages with Greek speakers, a significant segment of the Greek population in Macedonia and elsewhere descends from Vlachs.


Makes you wonder when you look at todays "greek" if that was yesterdays Vlach, Albanian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Turk, etc...

And how does one become a modern "greek"???? Just read about this man of God and see how it's done.


http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/History/Aromanians.html

Kosmas Aitolos

The pressure on Aromanians to assimilate can be traced back to the 18th century, when assimilation efforts were encouraged by the Greek missionary Kosmas Aitolos (1714-1779) who taught that Aromanians should speak Greek because as he said "it's the language of our Church" and established over 100 Greek schools in northern and western Greece.

Here's a little more on this man of Satan....oops I mean God

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/History/P ... tolos.html

Kosmas Aitolos (1714 - 1779) was a monk in the Greek Orthodox Church. He was born in the Greek village Mega Dendron in the region of Aetolia. He studied Greek and Theology before becoming a monk after a trip to Mount Athos where he also attended the local Theological Academy. Afterwards, he traveled through Western and Northern Greece urging Orthodox Christians to establish schools. Over sixteen years, he established over 100 schools, although he rejected the use of the Aromanian and Albanian languages. According to his beliefs, Orthodox Christians should only speak Greek because Greek is the "language of the Church".

After the Greek revolution of 1770 in the Peloponnese (which was provoked by the Orlov brothers with the support of Russia), the Turkish rulers suspected him of being a Russian agent. As a result he was seized and executed on August 24, 1779 in the city of Berat, Albania.

Father Kosmas Aitolos was officially proclaimed Saint by the Orthodox Church of Constantinople on 20 April 1961. The memory of isapostolos Kosmas Aitolos is honoured on August 24, the date of his martyrdom.


Thus the Hellenization machine was the modern "greek" synagogue,,,,,I mean church

Here is some more on Riga Velestiniul......



Taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica 11th edition, 1911, page 837.

How about we throw "greek" propaganda back in the modern "greeks" face. They love to quote Brailsford. So be it. Here is their source of propaganda.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bflmng ... #PPA187,M1

The Vlachs are, in a sense, the pivot of the
Macedonian question. They are not numerous in comparison
with the Bulgarians, or even with the Albanians. But
without them the Greeks would cut a sorry figure. North
of Castoria there is not so much as a single Greek village.
It is only the Vlachs who give Hellenism a foothold.
Withdraw them from their Greek alliance, and Greece must
disappear from Macedonia. Group them with the Bulgarians,
and the Slav supremacy will be unquestioned and
unchallenged. This reasoning appealed to Roumania, and
Margariti obtained the funds he demanded. Roumanian
schools were opened in all the more important Vlach
centres. Villages were bribed to declare themselves Roumanian,
and priests here and there began to say Mass in
Roumanian. The Turks were delighted. It meant one
rift the more among the Christians. The Greeks naturally
fought the new movement with their familiar weapons. No
calumny was too gross for poor Margariti himself, and probably
he was no better than the average Levantine adventurer.
The Patriarch showed himself, as usual, more Greek
than Christian. The idea of nominating a Vlach Bishop was
scouted, and the few priests who dared to say Mass in
Roumanian were promptly excommunicated.


Macedonia; Its Races and Its Future, by Henry Noel Brailsford pages 187-188

I've told you guys the story of how my grandfather's brother refused to speak to him in Vlach or Macedonian. Only Greek. I have witnessed the above first hand in my own family.

What is it about the depraved "Hellenism" that hypnotizes people into renouncing their ethnic heritage?

I don't think the Vlachs subscribed to Hellenism for its ideals or beliefs. It had more to do with the efficiency of commerce and an inherent problem with self-determinantion and formal governance. Being a "Greek" made it better for trade and not being able to rely on their own form of government made it easier for the Greek "virus" to spread.

It isn't just the Vlach, everyone in Greece has been forced to adopt this pseudo-Hellenism shit.

I appreciate learning the language, etc., to improve commerce, but not at the cost of wiping out your ethnic heritage.