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 Post subject: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
PostPosted: 18 Nov 2008 12:29 
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Source: "Epistolae Ho-Elianae:Familiar letters" by James Howell, 10th edition, 1737.

There were Macedonians in 1630 AD they spoke a Sclavonic(Slavic) language they were heirs to Alexander the Great.

Can it get any clearer then this?

We Macedonians were and will always be Macedonians. :support

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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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Jordan you f#%king rock brat :clap: :clap: :clap: This is awesome. I'm surprised no one else in here hasn't complimented this topic.


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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dame it 1630... wtf! :razz nice work piperka..


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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JORDAN!!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

RAISE A PAEAN TO JORDAN!!!

ANOTHER GREAT FIND


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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Great find!


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
PostPosted: 19 Nov 2008 06:01 
Not only the Macedonians.

Take a closer look "its the vulgar speech of the .... Epirots"


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Thanks all of you, this is an early christmas gift from me to all Macedonians in the world, remember you have to search if you want to find, the TRUTH is out there.

And this source shatters all what the Greeks have claimed thus far.

Stay tuned, there will be more.......

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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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This is brilliant!!!!


Jordan, can you create the same topic in the General Discussions forum with these same images?
More people should see this, it should be in the General Discussions forum. It should also be in the history forum. Actually, this should be plastered all over the forum, it should be a global announcement!

This thread here can stay in the archive and I will merge the other one from the General Discussions into this one, after many have seen it and commented on it.

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Rogi, your wish is my command! I am the Macedonian genie! :banana

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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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Paul wrote:
Not only the Macedonians.

Take a closer look "its the vulgar speech of the .... Epirots"


hmmm.. as i recall, there was a great Macedonian general whose mother was a princess from Epirus...... ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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TerraNova wrote:
Also....Alexander is shown to give a charter "to YOU the noble stock of SCLAVONIANS and to your noble language because you have been to US a help..."

There is a distinction WE...to YOU Sclavonians!

The same author if i m not wrong writes that Greek was abolished by Slavic in Macedonia! So i guess Greek was spoken before all over Macedonia ...



Maybe so. Koine was the lingua franca back then. Royalty from the Thracians and Illyrians had used Koine in their circles. However many scholars would disagree with you and your camp of scholars.


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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TerraNova wrote:
TrueMacedonian wrote:
TerraNova wrote:
Also....Alexander is shown to give a charter "to YOU the noble stock of SCLAVONIANS and to your noble language because you have been to US a help..."

There is a distinction WE...to YOU Sclavonians!

The same author if i m not wrong writes that Greek was abolished by Slavic in Macedonia! So i guess Greek was spoken before all over Macedonia ...



Maybe so. Koine was the lingua franca back then. Royalty from the Thracians and Illyrians had used Koine in their circles. However many scholars would disagree with you and your camp of scholars.


There isnt any single scholar on the planet that believes that Macedonians (all of them-not the king) spoke smth else than common Greek in 600AD.

The whole debate is about up to 300-200 BC.



Fair enough if this is what you were taught to believe. But in all honesty, what do you and your "greek" people today have to do with the ancient race of Hellenes???, and that is even assuming Macedonians were Hellenes themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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TerraNova wrote:
same geographical region.
same language.


:oo

:??

Ummm,,,so what do you and your people have to do with the ancient race of Hellenes? I see you live on the same land once inhabited by them. And I see you apparently speak a dirty version of their language. But what do you have to do with these ancient Hellenes?


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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TerraNova wrote:
TrueMacedonian wrote:
TerraNova wrote:
same geographical region.
same language.


:oo

:??

Ummm,,,so what do you and your people have to do with the ancient race of Hellenes? I see you live on the same land once inhabited by them. And I see you apparently speak a dirty version of their language. But what do you have to do with these ancient Hellenes?



I never said that Greeks are direct descendants of ancients,and i dont believe in dna purity.

But u could explain me what do u have o do with ancient Macedonians ...

u dont live in the same Geographical region.
u dont speak the same language.




But we do live on the same land as them. Your people only occupied it by force a hundred years ago and forced many Macedonians out or forcefully assimilated them. Your fellow "greek" vlach Ioannis Kolettis gave a speech. You know that speech. In where he mentions a megali idea. Anyhows we don't have to get all into that right now. But the point is you use a pointless arguement, whether Macedonians were hellenes or not in the ancient times, in Byzantine times we were still called Macedonians.
BTW you use a language arguement yet I see Albanians in Astoria New York who speak "greek" yet they call themselves "Shqiptars". Are these "greeks" then?


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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TerraNova wrote:
Your tries to prove that Macedonia was not what it was in medieval times -Just A GEOGRAPHICAL term-fail one after the other.
Like Thrace was no more an ethnic term..like Phrygia...like Cappadocia...like Paphlagonia...

All the skeletons of Byzantine generals u tried to present as discoveries of Macedonians have spoken through the sources.



You didn't answer my last sentence but ok. So they spoke the lingua franca,,,excuse me,,,lingua francas of the day. Greek,Latin,and Slavic.
So was Belisarius an ethnic "greek" because he spoke "greek"?


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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No problem. Nighty night Terra.


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 Post subject: Re: Macedonians speak the Sclavonic language, 1630!
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TerraNova wrote:
TrueMacedonian wrote:
TerraNova wrote:
Your tries to prove that Macedonia was not what it was in medieval times -Just A GEOGRAPHICAL term-fail one after the other.
Like Thrace was no more an ethnic term..like Phrygia...like Cappadocia...like Paphlagonia...

All the skeletons of Byzantine generals u tried to present as discoveries of Macedonians have spoken through the sources.



You didn't answer my last sentence but ok. So they spoke the lingua franca,,,excuse me,,,lingua francas of the day. Greek,Latin,and Slavic.
So was Belisarius an ethnic "greek" because he spoke "greek"?


Nationalities and Ethnicities are not eternal truths TM.
Neither Macedonian nor Greek are.

Also..Belissarius lived in the 6th cent. A common "Romaic"/Roman identity as an ETHNIC identity ,was formed between 5th-8th cent.
That's because a)the Empire lost of all its non-greek speaking lands (Egypt,Syria,Italy,North Balcans),
b)Christianity finally prevailed c)all the ancient languages of Anatolia and the Balcans extincted.
The remaining pats were either inhabited by descendants of Ancient Greeks-Greece West Asia minor and all the coast,or Hellinized Anatolians-Inner Anatolia.
In the sources are all the "Romeoi" ,"the genus of the Romans"-They are not separated as different nations but only geographically-I m asking u again where are the Lydians or the Phrygians ???
If they were really different nations speaking the same language -as u say- why on Earth they werent revolting to gain independence???
All the revolts of "Themata" are in order to support someone to become an Emperor-not to cut off the state!
And we speak about 1000 years!!Wouldnt the Carians...the Lycians...the Phrygians revolt these 1000 years????


There were on the other hand some revolts for independence -like the one of Peter Deljan-in the sources he s called Bulgarian (you can call him Macedonian ,or as you wish-thats personal).But these was supported by the local Slavic (non Greek)-speaking population -a non-romaic(aka Byzantine Greek (i dislike this term)) population.
The same goes for the revolts for independence of Bulgarian/Vlachs brothers Asan,the Serbian revolts ...etc.



I'm glad you established that ethnicites are not eternal truths. So you see where I am coming then.


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