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Greek State Sponsored Ethnic Genocide Against Macedonians

Below is an example of how the Greek state implements its policy of ethnic genocide.

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MINISTRY OF PUBLIC SECURITY
NATIONAL SECURITY SERVICE
Athens, 16 February 1982
Number of protocol 6502/7-3042

INTRODUCTIONS

a. The Skopians' activities for the autonomy of Macedonia may be efficiently confronted mainly by wiping out the use of the idiom, in the regions near the borders. This opinion is based on the realizations that also other regions that in older times were the center of "Macedonism", like Kastoria, are not hit by the Skopian propaganda, because there the use of the idiom has been almost wiped out.

b. This element by itself would be enough to exclude any thoughts of repatriation of the P/R (political refugees) who now reside in Yugoslavia and who have been brought up with the "Macedonian idea", the "Macedonian language and culture", independently of their participation or not to the organizations SNOF, NOF and activities taken for detaching Greek territories, during the period 1946-1949.

c. As for the above it is imperative to:

1. The creation of a state institution that will depend from the Prefectures of the regions near the borders, lined with the suitable and specially trained to the "Plot against Macedonia" subject, personnel. This institution will engage itself only with this subject, with the supervision of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and will collaborate closely, but in secret, with the Security Authorities and all the public services (Tax office, Schools, Army, Church, etc.).

2. In the public services and especially in the educational institutions the employees who will be in service have to be ignorant of the local idiom.

3. The establishment of special enlightenment seminaries, for all the public service employees and the clergy who are in service in the sensitive region of Macedonia.

4. The establishment of motivations for the obligatory residence of the public servants and other employees, in the quarters of their service (example: payment of the rent, extra pay, etc.).

5. Establishment of Cultural Association, like "ARISTOTELIS" in Florina and economic help to them, for the realization of events and the publishing of books, newspapers, magazines, etc. and afterwards these will be sent to the Diaspora abroad who has origins from the regions of the senders. This will boost their national sentiment and they will be protected from the anti-Hellenic propaganda that is been practiced by S/M (Slavmacedonians) organizations.

6. Insertion of various obstacles (non-recognition of diplomas, postponement of military service, etc.) for the Greek students who wish to study in Skopje.

7. Marking in each village of persons who, due to their kin bounds and their personality, influence a large circle of co-villagers and with any means (even with money payments) get close to them and use them properly so they will behave as the fighters of the use of the idiom in their circle. To this direction a very positive and effective role can be that of the Youngers of the political parties, by the judgment and coordination of the Government, when a between parties agreement will be reached.

8. Recruitment in the Armed Forces, in Police Bodies, in the public services and Organisms of employees with origins from Florina region, by exception, and their obligatory location in other areas of the Country.

9. The encouragement, by the leadership of the Army, of meetings and marriages of Army officers, who are on duty there and have origins abroad, with women that speak the idiom. (…)

THE CHIEF DIMITRIS KAPELARIS ANT/GOS


Source of the original document: “SXOLIASTIS” (Political Magazine, Athens, September 1989, N.79)

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Administrator's Note:

Be advised that "skopians" and "slavophones" are racist terms the Greek government has created and whose use it promotes to refer to ethnic Macedonians.

In the above document "idiom" is used as a euphemism for the indigenous Macedonian language.

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If the government of Macedonia doesn't know what to do next they should step aside and let people that do take over.

Matthew Nimitz you sir are aiding and abetting known criminals and could find yourself behind international bars.

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I agree, the behaviour of Greece toward ethnic Macedonians and other minorities is a crime against humanity and should be dealt with accordingly.

No matter what it takes this issue needs to be addressed in an international forum where the European Union's complicity can also be exposed.


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Matthew Nimitz you sir are aiding and abetting known criminals and could find yourself behind international bars.

At law, an accomplice is a person who actively participates in the commission of a crime, even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense. For example, in a bank robbery, the person who points the gun at the teller and asks for the money is guilty of armed robbery. However, anyone else directly involved in the commission of the crime, such as the lookout or the getaway car driver, is an accomplice, even though in the absence of an underlying offense keeping a lookout or driving a car would not be an offense.

An accomplice differs from an accessory in that an accomplice is present at the actual crime, and could be prosecuted even if the main criminal (the principal) is not charged or convicted. An accessory is generally not present at the actual crime, and may be subject to lesser penalties than an accomplice or principal.

In older sources, an accomplice was often referred to as an abettor. This term is not in active use, having been replaced by accomplice.

At law, an accomplice has the same degree of guilt as the person he or she is assisting, is subject to prosecution for the same crime, and faces the same criminal penalties. As such, the three accomplices to the bank robbery above can also be found guilty of armed robbery even though only one stole the money.

The fairness of the doctrine that the accomplice is as guilty as the primary offender has been discussed many times, particularly in cases of capital crimes. On several occasions, accomplices have been prosecuted for felony murder even though the actual person who committed the murder died at the crime scene or otherwise did not face capital punishment.

One of the most notorious cases of this type was the 1952 case in England involving Derek Bentley, a mentally-challenged man who was in police custody when his sixteen-year-old companion, Christopher Craig, shot and killed a police officer during a botched break-in (News Report [1]). Craig was sentenced to be detained at Her Majesty's Pleasure, since as a juvenile offender he could not be sentenced to death (he was released after serving ten years), but Bentley was hanged. The incident was dramatized in the film Let Him Have It, which is what Bentley allegedly said to Craig during the incident, it being unclear whether he meant for Craig to shoot the officer, or to surrender the gun. The hanging of Bentley led to public outrage and the eventual abolition of capital punishment in the United Kingdom.

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Legal definitions aside, the European Union's policy of aiding and abetting Greece's ethnic genocide of minorities is disgusting, especially when you consider that the prima donna Europeans prance about the planet complaining about everyone else's human rights practices.

Leave it up to people whose recent ancestors started two world wars and enacted a Holocaust to support Greece's filthy behaviour. Mr European Union man, you are such a piece of racist shit.


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Dear President Obama,

RE: Greek State Sponsored Ethnic Genocide Against Macedonians

I would like to bring to your attention a very serious breach of international human rights laws - ethnic (genocide) cleansing in the first degree and crimes against humanity ..

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MINISTRY OF PUBLIC SECURITY
NATIONAL SECURITY SERVICE
Athens, 16 February 1982
Number of protocol 6502/7-3042

INTRODUCTIONS

a. The Skopians' activities for the autonomy of Macedonia may be efficiently confronted mainly by wiping out the use of the idiom, in the regions near the borders. This opinion is based on the realizations that also other regions that in older times were the center of "Macedonism", like Kastoria, are not hit by the Skopian propaganda, because there the use of the idiom has been almost wiped out.

b. This element by itself would be enough to exclude any thoughts of repatriation of the P/R (political refugees) who now reside in Yugoslavia and who have been brought up with the "Macedonian idea", the "Macedonian language and culture", independently of their participation or not to the organizations SNOF, NOF and activities taken for detaching Greek territories, during the period 1946-1949.

c. As for the above it is imperative to:

1. The creation of a state institution that will depend from the Prefectures of the regions near the borders, lined with the suitable and specially trained to the "Plot against Macedonia" subject, personnel. This institution will engage itself only with this subject, with the supervision of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and will collaborate closely, but in secret, with the Security Authorities and all the public services (Tax office, Schools, Army, Church, etc.).

2. In the public services and especially in the educational institutions the employees who will be in service have to be ignorant of the local idiom.

3. The establishment of special enlightenment seminaries, for all the public service employees and the clergy who are in service in the sensitive region of Macedonia.

4. The establishment of motivations for the obligatory residence of the public servants and other employees, in the quarters of their service (example: payment of the rent, extra pay, etc.).

5. Establishment of Cultural Association, like "ARISTOTELIS" in Florina and economic help to them, for the realization of events and the publishing of books, newspapers, magazines, etc. and afterwards these will be sent to the Diaspora abroad who has origins from the regions of the senders. This will boost their national sentiment and they will be protected from the anti-Hellenic propaganda that is been practiced by S/M (Slavmacedonians) organizations.

6. Insertion of various obstacles (non-recognition of diplomas, postponement of military service, etc.) for the Greek students who wish to study in Skopje.

7. Marking in each village of persons who, due to their kin bounds and their personality, influence a large circle of co-villagers and with any means (even with money payments) get close to them and use them properly so they will behave as the fighters of the use of the idiom in their circle. To this direction a very positive and effective role can be that of the Youngers of the political parties, by the judgment and coordination of the Government, when a between parties agreement will be reached.

8. Recruitment in the Armed Forces, in Police Bodies, in the public services and Organisms of employees with origins from Florina region, by exception, and their obligatory location in other areas of the Country.

9. The encouragement, by the leadership of the Army, of meetings and marriages of Army officers, who are on duty there and have origins abroad, with women that speak the idiom. (…)

THE CHIEF DIMITRIS KAPELARIS ANT/GOS

Source of the original document: “SXOLIASTIS” (Political Magazine, Athens, September 1989, N.79)

______________________________________________________________________________

Please be advised that "skopians" and "slavophones" are racist terms the Greek government has created to refer to ethnic Macedonians.

In the above document "idiom" is used as a euphemism for the indigenous Macedonian language.

As the president of the United States of America and an African-American we look for your administration to levy sanctions against Athens and put an end to this racism that began in 1913.

UN mediator Matthew Nimitz is aiding and abetting known international criminals and all further "name issue" talks must be ceased in the name of humanity.

I look forward to your reply,

Alex Gulin

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"If Matsedonia is Gritsi" -- as Hellenic fascists and Greek pig-priests like to chant -- then you don't need a century of these kinds of policies to force people to accept a Greek identity. You don't need the degenerate "Greek by genus" laws. You don't need to stop Refugee Children from visiting their parents and families in Greece.

The irony here is that no one in this sad drama is really Greek. Neither the indigenous Macedonians who are being forcibly assimilated, nor the Greek speaking Arvanovlach and prosfyges. You have an entire country of fake Greeks.

If I were the Western educated child of g'rkomani, I would ask my parents why such policies existed against Macedonians. Why was it so important for the Greek speaking Arvanovlach and prosfyges to assimilate Macedonians and have them present as Greeks?


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Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing

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Karyn Becker

Genocide: The deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

Ethnic Cleansing: The elimination of an unwanted group from a society, as by genocide or forced migration.

Any discussion of genocide or ethnic cleansing would seem to be straightforward, both in the subject matter itself and in the myriad examples one could bring to mind. As these topics are studied in greater depth, however, the discussion invariably becomes far more complicated. Defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group," genocide tends to evoke thoughts of the Holocaust of World War Two--the most egregious and infamous example of the mass killing of people based on their ethnic or religious background. For many people, that is the full extent of what genocide means. Today, however, the word genocide draws upon an even more complex body of history and scholarship, focusing on the motivation of the perpetrators. By narrow definition, genocide can only occur when there is a deliberate attempt to completely destroy all members of a particular group. As such, there are few clearly identifiable examples of genocide.

The phrase "ethnic cleansing" may embody just the opposite. Ethnic cleansing has been defined as "the elimination of an unwanted group from society, as by genocide or forced migration." This definition is inherently broader than that of genocide alone, and thereby encompasses mass killings and forced removals in far greater number and scope. The U.S. State Department, in a recent report on Kosovo, concluded that ethnic cleansing "generally entails the systematic and forced removal of members of an ethnic group from their communities to change the ethnic composition of a region." The latter definition, while accurate for that particular situation, is seemingly too narrow to be a useful descriptor of a majority of situations which are encompassed in the broader definition. Ethnic cleansing, then, may involve death or displacement, or any combination thereof, where a population is identified for removal from an area.

By using the above definitions, most mass killings and forced relocations fit into one or both of the two discrete categories that are presented. Acts of genocide, as the more narrowly defined term, have been recognized by the United Nations nine times this century. These examples include the purge of Armenians by the Turks beginning in 1915, Jews killed in the Ukraine in the late 1910's as well as during the Nazi regime, Cambodians under the Khmer Rouge in the 1970's, Bosnian Muslims in the former Yugoslavia early this decade, and the slaughter of the Tutsi minority by the Hutu majority in Rwanda in 1994. At least ten additional examples of ethnic cleansing were not recognized by the U.N., due to the criteria used to determine what qualifies as genocide. While genocide is globally recognized as a crime against humanity, ethnic cleansing is not. It is unlikely that such a broad and oft used term could garner the support to declare ethnic cleansing, as a whole, as a crime against humanity.

The United Nations was the forum in which genocide was declared to be a crime under international law--either in times of war or peace. The term had already been coined by Raphael Lemkin, a Polish-born advisor to the then U.S. War Ministry, in a book he published in 1944. Lemkin was the first to argue that genocide is not a war crime, but a crime against humanity-- something uniquely different from anything that had been seen before.

The formal definition came in the 1948 Convention for the Prevention and the Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Genocide is defined in the Convention as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: a) killing members of the group; b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. In the years since the Convention came into force, reconsideration of its points have led to the addition of acts of genocide occurring prior to World War Two.

Both "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing"--as words and concepts--have drawn criticism. Some critics suggest that genocide is a word used too frequently and too loosely in our vernacular. Alain Destexhe, former Secretary General of MÇdecins Sans Frontiäres (Doctors Without Borders) at the time of the Rwandan conflict earlier this decade, argues that there are only three examples of genocide in the 20th century: Armenians killed by the Turks; extermination of Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals by during World War II; and slaughter of the Tutsi minority by the Hutu majority in Rwanda in 1994. Destexhe fears that the ubiquitous use of the word genocide to describe any massacre or repressive situation is causing "genocide" to lose its vital meaning as a crime above all others, distinguishable by the single-minded intent behind the barbaric actions. While Destexhe worries that the meaning of the word will be diluted, other critics hope that their revisionist history will be aided by the too common usage of genocide. Particularly for those who do not believe that the Holocaust occurred, the overuse of "genocide" bolsters their propaganda that the Nazi extermination camps and the "final solution" were not really such a uniquely horrible period in history.

"Ethnic cleansing" has also been used to describe a group of people of similar nationality, race, or religion who are experiencing any kind of action which they consider objectionable. Illegal Jewish settlers in the Palestinian controlled territory of Israel believe themselves to be victims of ethnic cleansing when their own government decides to evacuate them in the name of preserving peace. Some people feel they are forced from their home countries because of prejudices that make their lives difficult or intolerable, though they may not actually fear for their physical safety. These examples demonstrate the difficulty in relying on the phrase "ethnic cleansing" to be self-explanatory. The given definition of ethnic cleansing might encompass these situations, but at the same time, may also diminish the seriousness often entailed in the use of the phrase.

The phrase ethnic cleansing has been drawn into the discussion often this decade, as examples of mass killings of persons with a distinctive commonality have abounded. In the former Yugoslavia a variety of groups-- Bosnians, Serbs, Muslims, and Kosovars--have fallen victim to relatively, and perhaps specifically, organized campaigns of ethnic cleansing in this decade alone. More recently we have seen a wave of violence in East Timor, which may yet be described as ethnic cleansing when more complete information becomes available. Both historically and in the present day, there are countless examples of genocide and ethnic cleansing around the world. With no shortage of instances of death and destruction wrought upon those who suddenly find themselves of the wrong ethnicity, religion, nationality or political belief, the time appears ripe for a reconsideration of the instrument which was to have brought such cases to a halt more than a half century ago.

In December of 1998, Secretary-General Kofi Annan spoke on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Genocide Convention. He recalled that with the adoption of the Convention, nations had bound themselves legally to forestall those who would perpetrate such actions wherever they might occur. He also noted that shamefully little was done to arrest these actions in progress, and only in their aftermath was significant action taken. The Secretary-General himself was accused, in the as yet unresolved circumstances of the Great Lakes region, of allowing genocide to proceed unhindered inside Rwanda in the spring of 1994. Mr. Annan was the designated head of peacekeeping operations for the UN at that time, and was apparently warned that Hutus were massing arms that could only be used to slaughter others. Despite his privileged knowledge, Mr. Annan did not request additional troops for the existing peacekeeping mission, nor seek to have the existing mission mandate altered to allow for confiscation of said weapons. Having been in a position to halt the imminent slaughter of half a million civilians, Mr. Annan as a high ranking and appropriately placed member of the UN bureaucracy chose inaction. Additionally, some governments also refused to identify the situation for what it was--genocide in progress--in order to avoid their obligation to intervene under the Convention.

Rwanda is a more definitive example of genocide than most situations. While the lack of concerted international reaction there is inexplicable, it is certainly not the only example of turning a blind eye to the slaughter. Two million Cambodians were killed in the 1970's in what came to be considered genocide, albeit well after the fact. In very recent memory was the indiscriminate killing of Kurds in northern Iraq at the hands of Saddam Hussein. While not genocide by technical definition, this group was targeted because they threatened--more psychologically than physically or militarily--the totalitarian power and authority of Hussein. And there is no end in sight for this type of violence that is targeted against specific groups of people.

The General Assembly also reaffirmed the importance and necessity of the Genocide Convention in December of 1998, adopting resolution A/53/L.47, which expresses the concern of the body that many thousands of innocent human beings continue to be victims of genocide. Despite this action, and having a Convention which abhors these aforementioned circumstances, the parties to that instrument seem unwilling to abide by their word and fight against genocide. Some parties may fear the political ramifications of doing so, while others may be concerned about the specificity of the Convention's language in relation to the real world situations it is meant to contain. Cries of racism have even been heard from those who believe that decisions to intervene are based primarily on the skin color of those being massacred and those responsible for the massacre.

The reality is that despite the stated desire among parties to the Genocide Convention fifty years ago to ensure that genocide would never again occur, the will to achieve that most important goal has been severely lacking. The strongest efforts have been aimed at punishing those who are responsible for genocide, primarily through individual criminal tribunals organized for that specific purpose. Even these endeavors--in Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia--have come about only in this decade. Those responsible for recognized acts of genocide over the last three decades have gone unpunished, despite demands from survivor and witnesses.

In recent years, such pressure has culminated in an extraordinary amount of effort to conclude the legal instrument, known as the Rome Statute, which may eventually lead to the establishment of a permanent International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC would have jurisdiction over four classes of crimes, including genocide and crimes against humanity. The definition of crimes against humanity included in the statute is broad enough to include some of the currently unprosecutable offenses now referred to as ethnic cleansing. Unlike the current ad hoc tribunals, which must be approved by the Security Council, there will be no veto power over the ICC. When 60 states have ratified the statute the court will come into operation. The lack of veto power will likely make the ICC a more effective international legal body than any previously conceived. Major nations have expressed reservations over the statute and may not be willing to ratify it.

The creation of the ICC seems a step forward in global efforts to halt the proliferation of mass killings and other egregious violence. This pattern has been recurring throughout this century, and despite rhetoric to the contrary, little serious effort has gone into abating these tragedies. Clearly, past attempts have not been successful, and the reasons behind that remain unclear. What must future efforts entail in order to successfully avoid this scourge? How many more people will have to die at the hands of their neighbors and countrymen before the human considerations outweigh the political ramifications? What will be required to finally end what should have been but a memory at the dawn of the 21st century?

Questions

1) Should the definitions of genocide and ethnic cleansing be reviewed to allow for greater inclusiveness of those actions described as crimes against humanity?
2) Should the Convention be reconsidered for revision, including possible expansion to include cases of ethnic cleansing and mass killing that might not be included in a strict (Destexheian) interpretation of "genocide?"
3) Under what basic circumstances should the United Nations intervene in a situation of ethnic cleansing or genocide, or seek to have regional organizations do the same?
4) Will the International Criminal Court be an effective remedy to the continuing problem of genocide and ethnic cleansing?

Sources

Annan, Kofi. Press release on the Occasion of the fiftieth Anniversary of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. SG/SM/6822, December 8, 1999.
Bell-Fialkoff, Andrew. "A Brief History of Ethnic Cleansing," Foreign Affairs; Summer 1993, pp. 110-121.
Destexhe, Alain. Rwanda and Genocide in the Twentieth Century. New York University Press, 1995.
http://www.uen.org/utahlink/lp_res/Anne ... ocide.html
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/ p_genoci.htm
http://www.un.org --general search under the topics "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing."
http://www.un.org/icc --home website of the International Criminal Court.

http://www.munfw.org/archive/50th/4th1.htm

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Matthew Nimitz you sir are aiding and abetting known criminals and could find yourself behind international bars.

I'd like to see that happen, impossible...


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Makedonska_Kafana wrote:
Matthew Nimitz you sir are aiding and abetting known criminals and could find yourself behind international bars.

I'd like to see that happen, impossible...

He's liable to pass at any moment .. Gospo ye golem i sve gleda!

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Greece is backed by Europe.

Greece is doing what its doing to the Macedonians, because it is backed by Europe.

European policy regarding the Macedonians post 1919, read this:

'An Evil for All Concerned': Great Britain and Minority Protection after 1919
Patrick B. Finney
Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 30, No. 3 (Jul., 1995), pp. 533-551


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"If Matsedonia is Gritsi" -- as Hellenic fascists and Greek pig-priests like to chant -- then you don't need a century of these kinds of policies to force people to accept a Greek identity. You don't need the degenerate "Greek by genus" laws. You don't need to stop Refugee Children from visiting their parents and families in Greece.

The irony here is that no one in this sad drama is really Greek. Neither the indigenous Macedonians who are being forcibly assimilated, nor the Greek speaking Arvanovlach and prosfyges. You have an entire country of fake Greeks.

If I were the Western educated child of g'rkomani, I would ask my parents why such policies existed against Macedonians. Why was it so important for the Greek speaking Arvanovlach and prosfyges to assimilate Macedonians and have them present as Greeks?


You assume too much.

Most don't ask too many questions, and even when they do, it is not enough to have them revert to their ancestry.

There are two brothers who are cousins of mine who are lovely guys.

They happen to have grown up as Greeks.

I insist in speaking to my uncle and aunty in Macedonian at all times.

The older brother once asked "mum, why didn't you teach us this language?" Not in an enquiring tone, but in an indignant tone.

The younger brother was once around my house along with his Greek wife and he asked me some questions about our background...he then said, "I remember my grandmother...she couldn't speak Greek at all".

Without further encouragement I whipped out John Koliopoulos book "Plubdered Loyalties" where his mothers uncles the Kalemanov brothers are mentioned on every second page as enemies of Greece. First in their role as leaders in the Makedonski Komitat (known to outsiders as the Ohrana) and then as defectors to SNOF in August 1944 and their flight across the frontier to eventually settle in Skopje.

He looked speechless...and his Greek wife was wide eyed at the realisation that she was married to a slav.

It was all priceless.


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nd his Greek wife was wide eyed at the realisation that she was married to a slav.


he must be the only person left in the world without a nationality :roll: or should i say, lost his nationality since his ancestors knew what they where :myass


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Lets focus on this very serious topic "Greek State Sponsored Ethnic Genocide Against Macedonians" at hand, many world leaders have been contacted and will be passing by for a look and read.

This thread should NEVER leave the home page, its that serious!

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mplf1 wrote:
http://www.vinozito.gr/news/2009/april26_e.asp

Imagine for a brief moment that this very serious matter was about Jewish persons living in occupied Greece. Athens would nailed to a cross in a heart beat.

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The Greek Orthodox played and continue to play a major role in the ethnic cleansing process. Bring the GOC down to their knee's and they'll never want to get back up.

MAMAS and the PAPAS

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Not really. The courts in Greece just gave a free pass to one of the country's biggest anti-Semites.

Greece is fucked up in many, many ways, not just with its persecution of Macedonians.

Hey, it's Europe, do you really expect any better?


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A little bird tells me that this time things will not be so easy in Atina.

Makster, to deny vs illiminate are two different matters.

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The Greek state's endless denigrating of minorities and its constant misinformation about them is like holding water in your hands. For how long can you suppress the truth and at what price?

The day will soon come when others will become aware of what's been going on and it's Europe that will look like the racist freak for knowingly aiding and abetting Greece's behaviour.


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maknews wrote:
The Greek state's endless denigrating of minorities and its constant misinformation about them is like holding water in your hands. For how long can you suppress the truth and at what price?

The day will soon come when others will become aware of what's been going on and it's Europe that will look like the racist freak for knowingly aiding and abetting Greece's behaviour.

EXACTLY CORRECT!

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