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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
PostPosted: 25 Oct 2008 14:37 
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TrueMacedonian, thank you for all your hard work and research, keep it coming! :clap:


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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Tsutsul Pase Goveda wrote:
TrueMacedonian, thank you for all your hard work and research, keep it coming! :clap:


I have to say a big THANK YOU too TM, for all the work you have put into this
Bravo Brat :clap: :clap:


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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:blush Gee thanks guys. I have alot more to come ;)


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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TrueMacedonian wrote:
:blush Gee thanks guys. I have alot more to come ;)


then bring that "alot", all this that you have posted needs to be posted on every greek forum on the internet, let them see themselves in the mirror.

Splendid stuff TM, :cuz :cuz :cuz

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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great work :point

keep on...

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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Actually there are. There's also an excerpt in this book where a union of modern "greece" and Albania almost happened. Would you like to see that one? Or how the Albanian population was to further hellenize into greek society. This is the typical modern "greek" response we're used to getting. If I go on to your "greek" forums I guarantee I would find 1000 threads dedicated to how much Macedonians are not Macedonian.
Funny when the tables are turned you modern "greeks" have absolutely nothing to say about what is actually posted and what the topic is really about.


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2008 01:32 
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Has anyone here realize that the more the Greeks deny our identity, the more we discover and dig up hidden truths from the past? Hidden truths and secrets that will forever haunt the modern Greek mind and diminish their doctrine of ancient continuity and ethnic purity.


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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This is pretty significant.

We can see what Greek historians thought of Macedonia at that time.

What should be kept in mind is that until quite recently the Greek State never really believed Macedonia was Greek - but it can't say that.

I think that the issue here is that the Greek State's right to exist has been built over the dispossession and oppression of native people.

Which explains why they are so determined to make it a State of pure Greeks - and Greeks only, and furthermore, it explains why Athens does not trust the loyalty of its citizens, and is so wounded and bewildered when its proud Greeks fail to uphold the imagined ideals it aspires to.

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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Look at how naked their history is. It's so naked that they had to wear German terms to cover up the ArvanitoSlavoTurkoVlach quality amongst them. Hellenism is a BS term and their main historian of the modern era saw the ancient Macedonians as a distinct nation from the ancient Hellenes. And look how German "hellenism" makes him forge an imposter history for their counterfeit country :lol

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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You dont see the greeks posting on this thread they have nothing to say, its not just Donski know. :macedonia

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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TM rasturash! Really nice find dude! :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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Thank you gentlemen. I intend to keep spreading the word as long as there is one to spread.

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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The nation and its ruins by Yannis Hamilakis page 112.

:macedonia Well well well. Yet another one reveals the awful truth. Thanks CT for inspiring me to review Hamilakis' book one time more.

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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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Thanks for highlighting this page from Hamilakis.

I love this part from the speech by Nerolous:

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But Philip committed something even more disastrous, he fathered Alkexander


Clearly, the intellectuals at the time of "Greek" independence did not think of ancient Macedonia as their heritage. There was a clear separation of ideals and visions.


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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maknews wrote:
Thanks Arvanit, you're right the Modern Greek heritage is to a large extent Albanian - but these people are so scared to admit such a thing.

The current Greek deputy foreign minister, Mr Pangalos is of Albanian heritage, as are so many of today's "Pure Ellines" but they freak out if you mention this. You're also correct that they falsify the ethnic character of the region, including places like Epirus and Macedonia.

I like your choice of words - "Orwellian" :-)

Enjoy the board.


Thank you very much maknews

'Orwellian' fits perfectly to describe their propaganda. But, also 'Goebbelsianism' fits too for their propagandistic campaigns. I know that 'Pure Ellines' are to sensitive if you mention their Albanian or Vlach background. But as Bob Marley said: 'You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time.” Faking Greeks can fool some people sometimes about their supposed 'Greek' descent, but they cannot fool all the people all the time.


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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TrueMacedonian wrote:
Arvanit I have an entire section devoted to the Albanian culture of modern "greece" here - macedonian-history/the-albanian-culture-of-modern-greece-t12002.html - I am sure you already have seen it. Lots of things about Epirus in there.


Thanks TrueMacedonian
Can I take part of your stuff to all Albanian pages in English ? Of course, I will add backlink!


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 Post subject: Re: 19th Century 'Greek" Scholars on Ancient Macedonians
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Arvanit wrote:
TrueMacedonian wrote:
Arvanit I have an entire section devoted to the Albanian culture of modern "greece" here - macedonian-history/the-albanian-culture-of-modern-greece-t12002.html - I am sure you already have seen it. Lots of things about Epirus in there.


Thanks TrueMacedonian
Can I take part of your stuff to all Albanian pages in English ? Of course, I will add backlink!


Arvanit sorry for the late response on this. Of course you can. The whole point of these topics is to spread them everywhere. So by all means please do so.

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