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 Post subject: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
PostPosted: 27 Mar 2011 23:40 
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Владата не била информирана за Вергина на дипломите
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Ставањето на симболот од Вергина во универзитетски дипломи, било одлука на штипскиот државен Универзитет - премиерот Груевски и министерот за образование Тодоров, се оградуваат од потегот кој ги поткопува македонските позиции, во време кога се очекува разврската на процесот против Грција во Хаг.

По излегувањето на 350-те дипломи со симболот што ги проблематизира македонско-грчките односи, денешната изјава на премиерот не навестува дека владата ќе побара од Универзитетот „Гоце Делчев“ корекција.

„Јас не сум ги видел тие и денеска прв пат слушнав за таква работа, така што тоа во секој случај не е барање или одлука на Владата, тоа веројатно, доколку е така, станува збор за одлука на Универзитетот“, изјави премиерот Груевски.

Министерот за образование се согласува дека е потребна рационалност, но и денеска како вчера, само најави дека ќе се информира за одлуката, за која и тој тврди дека не знаел.

„Мислам дека во овие моменти треба рационално да размислиме за овие постапки. Во секој случај јас ќе разговарам со надлежните во Универзитетот и ќе донесеме заедничка одлука. Јас во теков на вчерашниот ден воопшто не бев запознаен ниту јас, ниту Владата“, вели Никола Тодоров, министер за образование.



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Вчера од универзитетот рекоа дека мотивот бил земен од икона на Богородица во црквата, во чие дворно место ќе се смести ректоратот. Сонцето од Вергина кое и Македонците и Грците го сметаат за свое национално обележје, периодов повторно ги бранува македонско грчките односи, по појавувањето на министерот за надворешни работи Милошоски на натпревар, со малолетното дете кое вееше знаме со ѕвездата.

Во Хаг, каде Македонија го тужи соседот за кршење на времената спогодба, Грците токму употребата на симболот ја користеа меѓу контра аргументите против земјава. Експертската јавност стравува дека одлуката сонцето да влезе во дипломи од државен Универзитет, може сериозно да и наштети на земјава.
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 Post subject: Re: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
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The use of the star of Vergina on the University Diplomas was a decision made by the Stip Government University. Prime Minister Gruevski and minister of education Todorov are distancing themselves from the action which is a setback for the Macedonian side, at a time when a decision is expected in the case against Greece in the Hague.

After the publishing of the 350 diplomas with the symbol that is at the root of the Macedonia-greece dispute, today’s comments made by the prime minister suggest that the government will ask for a correction of the “Goce Delcev” university.

“I haven’t seen them and today is the first I have heard of such a thing, so at any rate this was not requested or decided by the government. Most likely, if it’s true, it is something that was decided by the University” said primer minister Gruevski.

The minister of Education agrees that a rational approach is required, but today, as yesterday, there are only comments that further information is being gathered: “I think that in these moments we have to think rationally about these decisions. I will absolutely speak with the officials at the University and we will come together on a decision. Yesterday neither myself or the government were informed about this” said Nikola Todorov.

The Dean from Stip was not available for comment today.
Yesterday from the University they said that the symbol was chosen from an icon of the Virgin Mary at the church, in whose yard the Dean’s office will be. The star of Vergina which is considered the national symbol of Macedonia and Greece, has once again caused turbulence in the relations between the two countries since the son of the Minister of Foreign Affairs (Antonio Miloshoski) was seen with his young son, who was carrying the flag with the star of Vergina.

In the Hague, where Macedonia is suing its neighbour for breaking the temporary accord, the Greeks use this symbol as an argument against our country. Experts are worried that the decision to use the star on diplomas at a Government university can seriously harm our positions.

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 Post subject: Re: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
PostPosted: 28 Mar 2011 00:37 
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And this is the product of the Interim Accord. I hope more Macedonians use better judgement about this stupid court case because it will bring no victories to Macedonia. Because the Interim Accord stipulates the following about NOT using this :macedonia symbol:

Article 7
1. Each Party shall promptly take effective measures to prohibit hostile activities or propaganda by State-controlled agencies and to discourage acts by private entities likely to incite violence, hatred or hostility against each other.
2. Upon entry into force of this Interim Accord, the Party of the Second Part shall cease to use in any way the symbol in all its forms displayed on its national flag prior to such entry into force.
3. If either Party believes one or more symbols constituting part of its historic or cultural patrimony is being used by the other Party, it shall bring such alleged use to the attention of the other Party, and the other Party shall take appropriate corrective action or
indicate why it does not consider it necessary to do so
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 Post subject: Re: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
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And this is the product of the Interim Accord. I hope more Macedonians use better judgement about this stupid court case because it will bring no victories to Macedonia. Because the Interim Accord stipulates the following about NOT using this :macedonia symbol:

Article 7
1. Each Party shall promptly take effective measures to prohibit hostile activities or propaganda by State-controlled agencies and to discourage acts by private entities likely to incite violence, hatred or hostility against each other.
2. Upon entry into force of this Interim Accord, the Party of the Second Part shall cease to use in any way the symbol in all its forms displayed on its national flag prior to such entry into force.
3. If either Party believes one or more symbols constituting part of its historic or cultural patrimony is being used by the other Party, it shall bring such alleged use to the attention of the other Party, and the other Party shall take appropriate corrective action or
indicate why it does not consider it necessary to do so
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Greece mentioned this in their argument but couldn't give an answer when asked why they didn't complain about it if Macedonia violated this article first, before the veto.


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 Post subject: Re: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
PostPosted: 28 Mar 2011 12:57 
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Pathetic. Obviously Gruevski's hands are tied and the only 'proper' thing to say is that he expects a correction, and it must tear him up inside to say such a thing about a symbol that belongs to his own people, inside his own country. So many mistakes have been made in our history, and as usual, this one was agreed upon by us. If we let the embargo continue and we became the "ultra poverty state" in the balkans because of greece, don't you guys think we would have been better off? I think the West would look at that as an attack from greece onto a helpless small nation, while now we are just either looked at as nothing, or as a nation-thief in the eyes of the greek supporters. Our biggest problem has always been the people in charge making terrible decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
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Obviously Gruevski's hands are tied and the only 'proper' thing to say is that he expects a correction, and it must tear him up inside to say such a thing about a symbol that belongs to his own people, inside his own country.


You're giving him a pass when you should be scolding him for continuing such a demeaning policy against his own country. His hands aren't tied. No one ever tied HIS hands to anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
PostPosted: 28 Mar 2011 21:24 
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Obviously Gruevski's hands are tied and the only 'proper' thing to say is that he expects a correction, and it must tear him up inside to say such a thing about a symbol that belongs to his own people, inside his own country.


You're giving him a pass when you should be scolding him for continuing such a demeaning policy against his own country. His hands aren't tied. No one ever tied HIS hands to anything.

I know, I felt pretty stupid posting that. Nobody should be given such a pass and it really makes me sick to see such things happening. Politics is a dirty game, and not one that I would play well. At the end of the day, I always say, you have to defend your own because nobody else will.

I guess i'm just trying to say that I don't believe he WANTS the symbol to be removed, but he himself, as all politicans, are caught up in a game, and especially at a time when there is an election coming, he has to play this retarded game in order to be able to be re-elected and hopefully move Macedonia forward without a retarded opposition as we have now (optimistic I know).

There's really no excuse for all of this. I watched a brand new Matt Damon movies yesterday called "Adjustment Bureau" and I recommend it to all of you. It reminds me a lot of the situation in Macedonia. Everybody has a path that "higher powers" be they certain countries or people or god create, and no matter what you do there is an endless ripple effect. Our ripple effects have started and never stopped since the death of Alexander the Great.

It's easy for me to think "He should say f*** you to the west" but if he does that, sadly, he has no chance of winning the election, meaning the traitors from sdsm will win power and sell Macedonia's name and everything that belongs to our people.

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 Post subject: Re: Government Slams use of Vergina Star at University
PostPosted: 29 Mar 2011 13:14 
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Државниот универзитет „Гоце Делчев“ од Штип го повлекува сонцето од Кутлеш од дипломите што ги издава оваа високообразовна институција.

Одлуката следува по реакцијата на Министерството за надворешни работи, според која, Македонија согласно времената спогодба се обврзала да не го употребува овој симбол во било која форма.

„МНР, како надлежен орган за спроведување на обврските преземени од Република Македонија со Времената спогодба меѓу Република Македонија и Грција од 13 септември 1995 година, потсетува дека согласно член 7 став 2 од Времената Спогодба Република Македонија се обврзала да не го употребува на било кој начин и во сите негови форми симболот наведен во овој член. Во оваа смисла, МНР укажува на потребата Универзитетот итно да ги преземе неопходните мерки за отстранување на овој елемент од дипломите што ги издава Универзитетот, во согласност со обврските на Република Македонија прифатени со Времената спогодба“, се вели во дописот од министерството до штипскиот универзитет.

„Во врска со вашето укажување, Ве известуваме дека Универзитетот презеде итни мерки за отстранување на елементот од дипломите што ги издава Универзитетот, во согласност со обврските на Република Македонија прифатени со одредбите на Времената спогодба“, стои во одговорот на универзитетот „Гоце Делчев“.

Минатиот викенд универзитетот за втората генерација дипломци издаде дипломи на кои беше содржано сонцето од Кутлеш


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