The Macedonian Digest

“From the readers for the readers”

Edition 18 – June 2007

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Editor’s Notes

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you, our readers for your ideas and contributions to the Digest and would encourage more of you to write to us and share your thoughts. Thanks to you, our distribution is growing.

Regards, Risto Stefov

Feature Stories

Small Macedonian contingent; big strike against terrorism appreciated

http://www.blackanthem.com/News/Allies_20/Small_Macedonian_contingent_big_strike_against_terrorism_appreciated6307.shtml

By Spc. Jeffrey Ledesma, 1st Cavalry Division Public Affairs
May 2, 2007 - 5:01:16 PM

Blackanthem Military News, CAMP TAJI, Iraq – It has more than 50 natural and artificial lakes and 16 mountains higher than 6,000 feet. It’s a country only slightly larger than Vermont. It has a population of approximately 2 million citizens.  Some of them have been calling the heart of the Middle East home.
They are the Macedonian Army Contingent, based here and working in concert with the 1st Cavalry Division’s 1st “Ironhorse” Brigade Combat Team from Fort Hood, Texas.
Lazar Elenovski, the Macedonian Minister of Defense, kept a promise to visit with his country’s Soldiers in Iraq, visiting this base camp north of Baghdad April 28.
The commander of the Macedonian Contingent, Capt. Trajkovski Vlatko, said before heading for Iraq, the defense minister promised to visit them.  His arrival in Taji kept that promise. 
After a lunch in the Colton Room at one of the camp’s dining facilities with ‘Ironhorse’ leaders and his troops, Elenovski headed down the street to the troops’ living quarters where they went over operations and took a look at Soldier issues.
Vlatko, said that the Minister of Defense has been very good to the troops.  He said it is easy for his troops to relate to the 36-year-old senior Macedonian defense official.
Vlatko and his troops explained different weaponry and equipment they currently use when they head outside of the wire to their top defense official.  Elenovski said there is always room for improvement, though what they have is working.  He noted that combat equipment standards are getting better and better.
In addition, he said, the Macedonian Office of Defense Cooperation is also working on modernizing the soldiers’ equipment.
Despite being a relatively new force, the Macedonian Army Contingent has quickly developed an outstanding reputation and because of the company-size unit’s great reputation, Col. Paul E. Funk II, commander of the Ironhorse Brigade, said he would have no problem having the Macedonian contingent covering his front and watching his back when disaster strikes.
“I have had command of them during major operations and have watched them in awe,” Funk said about the second group of Macedonian Soldiers he has worked with since deploying in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Confidence in their abilities is something that flows freely among the leadership, both American and Macedonian.
During their stay in Iraq, Elenovski said Macedonian troops have proven to have the capabilities to handle missions  He said that Macedonia, a young country of only 15 years, is extremely proud to be a part of the coalition forces.
“We feel that our contribution is important and shows our commitment to being a partner in aid,” Elenovski said. “I hear over and over again on how well our soldiers are performing.”
The Minister of Defense said the Republic of Macedonia, previously the southernmost part of the socialist Republic of Yugoslavia, will continue to give support as long as the coalition forces need it.
Elenovski later reiterated the importance of being a part of the global war on terrorism and standing up a democracy in Iraq.
“Iraqis are now starting to stand up, but to leave them now would be too soon,” said Funk, a native of Roundup, Mont.

Milososki is suggesting to the Greek lobby in the USA how they should work!

http://www.utrinskivesnik.com.mk/?ItemID=65FADF6D68898D4AA505303CB6B84E70

"It would be wiser for the Greek lobby in the USA instead of spending all their energy and power they are giving for one irrational bilateral argument about the name of the Republic of Macedonia, to spend it for improving the situation in their own country Greece and for an open support for stabilization at Balkan in the frames of the expected integration into NATO" ...
THIS IS A CLEAR PROOF HOW HE JUSTIFIABLY IGNORES THE GREEKS PROTEST ABOUT OUR NAME! Plus with a message that they are ridiculous but said in a well sophisticated manner!
AND HERE COMES THE BEST IRONY they have ever got from a Macedonian politician:
"A lesson for the irrational behavior can be found in the rich legends from the Greek mythology, and in this case the legend about Sizif and the stone he was pushing forward eternally but did not manage to push it to the end. This can be a lesson to be learned about the manner in which one should not spend without an aim and his power and energy.
Macedonia has a great interest to build further the good bilateral relations with Greece and simultaneously to continue the discussion about the bilateral questions. "said the Macedonian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Antonio Milososki.

Translated from Macedonian to English and posted by callmebymyname!!!

Rice - We support Macedonia for the name and NATO membership

Skopje /18/04/ 16:09

http://www.makfax.com.mk...

Macedonia has to continue with pursuing the reform agenda and NATO standards until the next Alliance summit in 2008, while US remains country's supporter in terms of the name and the membership.
US State Secretary Condoleezza Rice said this in a reply letter sent to the Macedonian Foreign Minister Antonio Miloshoski.
"US Administration supports strongly the Alliance's commitments stated at the Riga Summit for inclusion of all countries that will meet NATO standards until the next Summit in 2008", the press release of the Macedonian Foreign Ministry cites Rice's letter.
"I recommend continuation of the processes aimed at reaching these standards, with special focus on the political dialogue and the key reforms that will strengthen the Macedonian multi-ethnic democratic institutions and the candidacy of your country for membership in NATO", Rice said in the letter.
As regards the confusion on the name, which was created by a part of the Macedonian media and the opposition after adoption of the Act for NATO Enlargement, Rice said that US retains on its policy of naming the Macedonia under its constitutional name.
"As you are aware, the policy of our Administration since 2004 has been recognition of Macedonia under its constitutional name - the Republic of Macedonia. We publicly reaffirmed this policy in the context of this Legal Act. We continue to back the process of resolving of this issue under UN auspice, and we are hopeful that the lack of mutually acceptable solution won't hamper the progress of Macedonia toward membership in NATO", Rice's letter says.

Posted by TrueMacedonian

USAID, Macedonia sign project on renovation of 100 primary schools

Skopje /18/04/ 14:14

The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and Macedonia signed a Memorandum of Understanding, which aims to upgrade the primary education.
Through a Memorandum of Understanding signed today by Patricia Rader, the USAID Mission Director, and Sulejman Rushiti, Macedonia’s Minister of Education and Science, the American people pledged to provide funds to the Ministry to upgrade primary education in Macedonia.
"USAID is committed to quality education for Macedonia’s future," said Patricia Rader, USAID Mission Director.
USAID’s five year Primary Education Project plans to provide a portion of the funding for the renovation of up to 100 primary schools to increase their energy efficiency; improve the use and maintenance of computers; improve the teaching of mathematics and science; and improve school-based assessment.
The project also supports the decentralization process, as primary education increasingly becomes the responsibility of municipalities.
The Ministry of Education and Science has committed to provide up to $600,000 to renovate schools; adopt a strategic maintenance and sustainability plan to maintain computers; and collaboratively carry out on-going math and science training for teachers.
"Last month, our project team visited eight cities in Macedonia to introduce USAID’s Primary Education Project to municipalities and schools and listen to the views of School Directors and Mayors about the needs of Macedonia’s primary schools.” said Keith Prenton, Chief of Party of USAID’s Primary Education Project, "The signing of this Memorandum demonstrates our partnership with the Ministry of Education and Science."

Posted by TrueMacedonian

Macedonian parties from Greece and Bulgaria visit US

http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=64983&NrIssue=330&NrSection=10

Washington /26/04/ 11:16

Representatives of political parties of Macedonians in Greece and Bulgaria kicked off a visit to the United States, Voice of America's Macedonian news said.
The visit was organized by the United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD). Pavle Vaskopulos, the leader of Rainbow - political party of ethnic Macedonians in Greece, and Stojko Stojkov, the co-president of OMO Ilinden-Pirin from Bulgaria, will discuss with the American interlocutors about the treatment of Macedonians minority in Greece and Bulgaria.
Vaskopulos and Stojkov say they want to update the representatives of the international organizations and governments about the real situation of Macedonian minority in Greece and Bulgaria. They stressed that the US government pledged solidarity with the grievances of the Macedonian minority in these two countries - both members of the European Union.
"As regards the human rights of minority groups, I am ready to say that there is a deficit of democracy in Greece although it is European country. In some way, there is a competition between Macedonians in Greece and in Bulgaria - which of them is in worse situation when it comes to human rights of minorities," Vaskopulos said.
Stojko Stojkov, the co-president of OMO Ilinden- PIRIN, held separate meetings with representatives of the US Congress and State Department. He expressed his disapproval with the treatment of Macedonian minority in Bulgaria, in particular Sofia's refusal to register OMO Ilinden PIRIN as a political party.
"The battle is still on in the Committee of Ministers of Europe, who is to meet on 4 June. I hope that the Committee will eventually comprehend the situation, and I hope that the arguments presented by Bulgarian government will be rejected, and the justice will win," Stojkov said. /end/

Macedonia to take part in UN mission in Lebanon

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=81753

Thursday, April 26, 2007

SKOPJE: Macedonia will take part in the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), which marks the country's first-ever participation in UN-led peacekeeping mission. Macedonian Defense Minister Lazar Elenovski announced the decision, endorsed by the government at Tuesday's session, Makfax reporter said. Minister Elenovski said the first of the two Macedonia majors will be heading to Lebanon in the next 15 days.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb

Meeting on Last King of Antique Macedonia – International Scientific Gathering on Perseus.

Vecer, 30.04.2007) – A two-day scientific meeting, “Perseus – Last King of Antique Macedonia” was held at the weekend in Bitola in organization of the Macedonian Scientific Association, the Institute and Museum, and the Macedonian-Italian Friendship Association in Bitola. The meeting was opened and greeted by the President of the Organizational Board, Dimitar Kotevski and Bitola Mayor Vladimir Talevski.
Within the first session, the Director of the Directorate for Protection of Cultural Heritage and Macedonia’s distinguished archaeologist, Pasko Kuzman spoke on the solar symbols of peoples in the Samoil Fortress in Ohrid. He referred to a number of findings from the Antique period in these areas. Kuzman emphasized that coins as well as golden, silver and bronze artifacts as well as swords, spears and other objects accentuating the connection of the Macedonians with the Sun have been found in the territory of Macedonia. Distinguished experts of Macedonia and Italy read studies on the topic and a visit to the Heraklea Lynkestis site was organized.
Perseus was the son and heir of Philip V, and was known as a very gifted man with great political and military abilities. His grave is believed to be located near Magliano dei Marsi in the vicinity of Rome.

Posted by Struja

Not another BIG Greek Lie?

NOT ANOTHER "HELLENIZED" NON-GREEK IMPOSTOR, FORMER DODGY POLITICIAN AND WANNABE GODFATHER!


Teodoros Pangalos is a "Hellenized" non-Greek impostor and a former controversial foreign minister of artificial Greece. Amongst many controversial and farcical events which highlighted his tenure as foreign minister, it was he who infamously said that there were no Macedonians in Northern Greece (that is, in the Greek occupied part of Macedonia), only wild animals and people who look like monkeys! (Yes you heard right!) (Need we say anymore?!) (Where is this guys credibility?!)
Modern "Hellenized" non-Greeks also accuse the Macedonians of having 'block heads'! (I can't see it and what more can we say?!) (Note: As I previously mentioned in the Macedonian Digest, my own head definitely does not fit that description. Nor do I look like a monkey). Modern, indigenous Macedonians are the descendants of the Ancient Macedonians. (That means the Ancient Macedonians would've had block heads also). The Ancient Macedonians were the descendants of 'certain' indigenous proto-Slavic European Balkan tribes of earlier times. (That means the indigenous pre-historic proto-Slav European tribes of the 'Balkan peninsula region' would've had block heads also.
On the other hand, modern "Hellenized" non-Greeks have long honkers (noses), chins, moustaches and look like witches and warlocks. This is because they are a hybrid mixture of Vlachs, Gypsies, Albanians, Turks, Anatolian Christian Prosfigs, Jews, Armenians, Egyptians and others. These people had earlier absorbed the Franks, Venetians, Goths, Huns, 'Black Slaves from Africa', Romans and others, who absorbed the hybrid descendants of the heterogeneous people of the Ancient City States.
'Ethiopia' (the country) is an ancient City State term meaning (would you believe) "burned faces"!!! The irony is that the people of the Ancient City States readily admitted that they were descendants of colonizers bronze age Ethiopians and 'certain' indigenous proto-Slavic European Balkan tribes of earlier times! (This means they themselves would've had 'burned faces' and 'block heads'!!!)
In recent times the indigenous Macedonians have been deliberately reduced (in the Greek occupied part of Macedonia). Those remaining (still a sizeable lot) should be clearly distinguishable from the rest of the ethnically diverse "Hellenized" non-Greek settlers. Mr. Pangalos knows fully well that the people in the Greek occupied part of Macedonia who look like monkeys are in fact the impostor so-called "Greek Macedonians"! As mentioned, they are the imported "Hellenized" non-Greek people that the modern, artificial Greek state has been stacking in the Greek occupied part of Macedonia since 1913! (not to mention in the rest of artificial Greece itself!)
Mr. Pangalos in a recent interview with the Republic of Macedonia's 'Dnevnik' said that the proposed name "Macedonian Republic (Skopje)" (written in Cyrillic) was his idea for the Republic of Macedonia's final name!!! "Of what I have heard that (name) is the best solution". "You could have used the term 'Macedonia' as a 'national' descriptor, of which you think you are, and/or the term could also have been used as a geographical descriptor"!!!
Reply: KEEP PROPOSING NAMES RETARD!!! Have you ever thought to yourself what gives you the right to propose "any" name/s on another 'people' and/or country? Even if you proposed the name "The Republic of Macedonia"!? Since you like to impose descriptions on The Republic of Macedonia at your own whim and fancy how about you first "literally" explain the meaning of your own name and then "literally" explain the meaning of (your own artificially created country) "Greece" and who came up with the name!!! As usual you probably wouldn't have a clue!
What are you going to call the illegally annexed 'northern Greek province of Macedonia'? (or have you got a sinister agenda/plan for that too?!) What about artificial Greece's non-recognition of the ethnic Macedonian minority there which has not even been granted its legitimate basic human rights?! How, Why haven’t you, and When are you going to rectify that?! What are you going to do about Macedonia's illustrious Ancient history?! How are you going to present that?! The list goes on and on!
Have you ever asked yourself how the modern, artificial Greek state managed to get 51% of Macedonia? You are the ones who should be changing the name of this province. DON"T INTERFERE IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA!!!
The ludicrous name proposal "Macedonian Republic (Skopje)" for The Republic of Macedonia initiated by Mr. Pangalos -the "Hellenized" non-Greek impostor/former dodgy foreign minister/wannabe godfather of The Republic of Macedonia is totally unacceptable! This proposal will "also" give the "Hellenized" non-Greeks the green light to call the Macedonians "Skopjans" (grasshoppers?). A highly derogatory and offensive term. The only acceptable solution is "The Republic of Macedonia" which defines the Macedonian ethnicity (as recognized by the US, Russia, China and just about everyone else!). Anything but this name will allow artificial Greece to maintain its "fake" Macedonian history, which would be detrimental to the Macedonians in The Republic of Macedonia (not to mention the Macedonians in artificial Greece, artificial Bulgaria, artificial Albania and those throughout the entire world).
Artificial Greece should turn back the clock to 1988 and change the name of their illegally annexed northern province back to "Northern Greece". (Technically artificial Greece could call "this" province "New Macedonia" which would imply a geographical concept. This would be similar to the arrangement between the nation of Mexico and the US state of "New Mexico").
Artificial Greece has to recognize its large ethnic Macedonian minority and grant them their basic human rights. This is in accordance with international Human Rights conventions of which artificial Greece is a signatory party.
Artificial Greece should do away with its fake Macedonian history and give up its Macedonia dream. Artificial Greece should change and/or rewrite its own false history.
Theodoros Pangalos: The "Hellenized" non-Greek/Impostor/Former Dodgy Politician/Foreign Minister/Wannabe Godfather.
Theodoros> Theodore> (Th>ph>p>b>v) >Theo > Veo >(zi)v-eo > Zeus's, dore >dar >gift > "Zeus's Gift" (you gotta be kidding!)
Pangalo(s)> (g>z) > Pa >Va > (ze)Va > Zeus, n> n(a) > of, galo > ze-le >z(iv)e-le > the proto-Slavic peoples 'life giving' Sun god Iliy. "(ze)Va-n(a)ze-le". "Zeus (life), ('part' product of/son), the 'life giving' Sun god Iliy".
So, Mr. Theodoros Pangalos has a 'Slavic' name! He also acknowledges that at home his family spoke an Albanian dialect, nevertheless they are 100% pure Hellenes!

Go figure!

By ZAC I -THE FIRST (Australia)

From the Slovenian “Zbornik”

Ciklus konferenc (Conference Series)

Korenine slovenskega naroda (Origin of Slovenians)

Peta mednarodna konferenca (Fifth International Topical Conference)

IZVOR EVROPEJCEV

ORIGIN OF EUROPEANS

Ljubljana, 8. in 9. junij, 2007 (June 8^th and 9^th, 2007)

Mesto konference: Svetovni slovenski kongres, Cankarjeva ul. 1/IV, Ljubljana

Venue: Slovenian World Congress, Cankarjeva 1/IV, Ljubljana, Slovenia

Razpored predavanj Provisional Programme

Opozorilo avtorjem: Predavanje naj traja največ toliko, kot je predvideno spodaj v razporedu, tako da bo čas tudi za vprašanja in razpravo. Organizator bo zagotovil računalniško vodeni projektor (program Powerpoint) ter grafoskop. Kdor rabi še kaj drugega, naj se takoj obrne na dr. Jožeta Ranta, Joze.Rant@ijs.si.

To the authors: The presentations should be no longer than indicated below in order to have some time for questions and discussion. An overhead projector as well as a computer driven projector (programme Powerpoint) is available. Any author with additional need(s) should immediately contact Dr. Jože Rant, Joze.Rant@ijs.si. The organizer will do everything possible to meet such need(s).

	Petek (Friday) 8. 6. 2007
Avtor (Author)	Naslov (Title)	ura (Time)
	Vpis udeležencev (Registration)	8^00-9^00
	Otvoritev (Opening)	9^00-9^30
	Predsedujoča (Chairmen): Vodopivec V., Krnel-Umek D.
M Budja	Kdo smo Evropejci (Who are the Europeans)	9^30-10^15
	Razprava (Discussion)	10^15-10^30
R Petrič	Venetska teorija in etnogeneza Slovenov (Venetic theory and the ethnogenesis of Sloveni)	10^30-11^00
	Razprava (Discussion)	11^00-11^15
M Moškon	Izza Karpatov (From beyond the Carpathian Mountains)	11^15-11^25
J Skulj	Y-chromosome Frequencies and the Implications on the Theories Relating to the Origin and Settlement of Finno-Ugric, Proto-Hungarian and Slavic Populations (Pomen pogostosti kromosoma Y za teorije o izvoru in poselitvi ugrofinskih, pramadžarskih in slovanskih ljudstev)	11^25-11^55
	Razprava (Discussion)	11^55-12^10
A Perdih	"Ugrofinske množinske oblike" v slovenščini ("Finno-Ugrian plural forms" in Slovenian)	12^10-12^20
	Splošna razprava (General discussion)	12^20-13^00
	Kosilo (Lunch)	13^00-15^00

	Petek (Friday) 8. 6. 2007
	Predsedujoča (Chairmen) Rant J., Tomezzoli G.
T Boshevski, A Tentov	Tracing the Script and the Language of the Ancient Macedonians (Ugotavljanje pisave in jezika antičnih Makedoncev)	15^00-15^30
	Razprava (Discussion)	15^30-15^45
P Serafimov	Etymological analysis of Thracian toponyms and hydronyms (Etimološka analiza trakijskih krajevnih in vodnih imen)	15^45-16^15
	Razprava (Discussion)	16^15-16^30
A Perdih	Betacizem po tolminsko (Betacism in the Tolminski dialect)	16^30-17^00
	Razprava (Discussion)	17^00-17^15
D Krnel-Umek	Staroselci na severnem Jadranu v opisih od 16. do 19. stoletja (Ancient settlers at the northern Adriatic in the descriptions from the 16^th to 19^th century)	17^15-17^45
	Splošna razprava (General discussion)	17^45-18^30
	Večerja (Dinner)	19^00-

	Sobota (Saturday) 9. 6. 2007
Avtor (Author)	Naslov (Title)	ura (time)
	Predsedujoča (Chairmen): Perdih A., Škulj J.
P Serafimov	Translation of Eteocretan Epioi Inscription (Prevod eteokretskega napisa Epioi)	9^00-9^20
	Razprava (Discussion)	9^20-9^30
M Silvestri, G Tomezzoli	Linguistic Distances between Ancient Languages (Jezikovne razdalje med retijskim, venetskim, latinskim in slovenskim jezikom)	9^30-9^50
	Razprava (Discussion)	9^50-10^00
P Serafimov	New reading of the Thracian inscription on the golden ring from Ezerovo (Novo branje trakijskega napisa na zlatem uhanu z Ezerovega)	10^00-10^20
	Razprava (Discussion)	10^20-10^30
P Serafimov, G Tomezzoli	The Stones of Newton (Scotland) (Newtonova kamna (Škotska))	10^30-10^50
	Razprava (Discussion)	10^50-11^00
V Vodopivec	Nekaj galskih napisov (Some Gallic inscriptions)	11^00-11^20
	Razprava (Discussion)	11^20-11^30
P Jandáček	The Lord’s Prayer "Our Father" indicates Slovenians are West Slavs (Molitev "Oče naš" kaže, da so Slovenci zahodni Slovani)	11^30-11^40
	Splošna razprava (General discussion)	11^40-12^30
	Zaključek konference (Closing of the Conference)	12^30

Issues

The Former Turkish Colony of Greece and former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia renew UN-led talks

17 May 2007 – Representatives of the Former Turkish Colony of Greece (FTCOG) and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) have held a fresh round of United Nations-mediated talks over the question of the official name of the latter country.

Matthew Nimetz, Personal Envoy of the Secretary-General for the FTCOG -FYROM talks, initiated yesterday’s discussions, which took place in New York.

Former Turkish Colony of Greece ( FTCOG)  was represented by its Permanent Representative to the UN, Ambassador Adamantios Vassilakis, while Macedonia  was represented by Ambassador Nikola Dimitrov.

“The parties continued to exchange views in the context of Article 5 of the Interim Accord” of 13 September 1995, according to an update released by the UN after the talks. “They decided to meet again on a date to be agreed.”

Article 5 of the Interim Accord, which was brokered by the UN, details the difference between the two countries regarding the official name of Macedonia.  It also obliges the two sides to continue negotiations under the auspices of the UN Secretary-General to try to reach agreement on their dispute.

Posted by Ilinden

GERKOMANIA

A Disease of the mind inflicted by Greek Brutality on a massive scale

DEFINITION OF A GERKOMAN

A Macedonian who wants to be Greek.
One who refuses to accept his true Macedonian National Origins.
One who is ashamed of his background, the language he speaks.
One who is afraid to call himself Macedonian.
A Gerkoman is a person who always refuses to accept arguments that prove without a doubt his Macedonian identity.
A Gerkoman is a person who always refuses to learn and accept his condition of what he is or who he is.
A Gerkoman is a person who is lazy, ignorant and has no courage. He is also a coward.
A Gerkoman is an individual who cooperates with the Greeks against all Macedonians.
A Gerkoman is a person who is suffering from self-inflicted national amnesia.
A Gerkoman is an individual who has no respect for others, himself, or his heritage.
A Gerkoman is a cancer within the Macedonian nationality, which stubbornly works to destroy everything that is Macedonian.
A Gerkoman is the #1 enemy to the Macedonian people.
A Gerkoman is a liar because every time he utters the words, "I am Greek", he lies and he knows it.
The Gerkoman always speaks Macedonian at home. He listens to Greek music. He shops at Greek stores for the usual, olives, halva and lukumia and always enjoys the conversation with the Greek proprietor.
The Gerkoman attends Greek Church. He doesn't understand what the priest is saying, but that's okay, for whatever the priest is saying must be good.
At funerals the Gerkoman always laments and cries in Macedonian.
The Gerkoman is a person who lies on census when the question, "What mother
language is spoken at home?" he writes boldly Greek, and he knows it's a lie.

And from my own personal experiences:

A Gerkoman is a person who speaks Macedonian at home, but goes to Greek Church and gets married at a Greek church.
A Gerkoman is a person who attends the Greek Rally in Ottawa Canada protesting the Republic of Macedonia's recognition by Canada, and speaks Macedonian on the 3 hour bus ride to Ottawa.
A Gerkoman is a person who speaks among relatives and friends in the church in Macedonian, but as soon as the priest comes out they all speak Greek.
A Gerkoman is a person who belongs to the Pan-Macedonian society.
A Gerkoman is a person who calls himself Macedonian only when it is convenient.
A Gerkoman is a person who always tells a Macedonian he/she should learn Greek.
A Gerkoman always wears shirts with the Greek flag on it to convince HIMSELF
and others that he is Greek

What will happen to these Gerkomani when Macedonia is once again whole, will the Macedonian government and the Macedonian people take them in? The answer is simple. NO! The Macedonian government will not let them return. This is the now government of the Republic of Macedonia, VMRO. I believe that they will be around for a long time because the Macedonians have opened their eyes and are ready to take back everything that belongs to them.
They can be assured that Greece will have nothing to do with them and in fact they will blame them for most of the brutality that was inflicted on the Macedonians even today. Macedonia is steadily on the way to recovery and we have seen that the new government is more than capable of leading the Macedonians into the light of our Macedonian sun and not into the dark pits of Hades.
"It is time to stand up for what we believe in, this is the 21st century and many Grkomani do not live in Greece anymore but around the world. It is sad to know that the PAN-MACEDONIAN ASSOCIATION is largely made up of these forgotten souls who many have had to resort to doing Greece’s dirty work to save their families. They should know that this has hurt Macedonia in a way that is only now being fixed. For all those Grkomani in Greece now is the time that you can show your true colours and they are not blue and white but Red and Yellow.

To the Grkomani in Canada, America and Australia you have the power to say no to the Evil that has consumed your soul and has taken control of your brain".
"I am here to inform you that until all Grkomani open their eyes and see what they are doing, then and only then will we have the heart to forgive and certainly forget because this is not 1913 but 2007".

By Saso N. a Macedonian.

104th anniversary of Goce Delchev's death

http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=66035&NrIssue=337&NrSection=10

Skopje /04/05/ 07:43

Goce Delchev, one of the most prominent revolutionary figures in the history of the Macedonian nation, died on May 4, 1903 in a skirmish with the Turkish soldiers near the village Banica.
Born on January 23, 1872 in Kukush (Kiklis), Aegean Macedonia, Delchev finished the local Bulgarian junior high school and the Bulgarian high school "St Cyril and Methodius" in Thessaloniki. He entered the Military academy in Sofia in 1891, but was expelled because his affiliation to socialist circles. Delchev became a teacher in Stip in 1894, where he met Dame Gruev, the leader of the local committee of the Secret Macedonian Odrin Revolutionary Organization (TMORO, later on renamed into VMRO). As a result of the close friendship between the two, Delchev joined the organization in 1895 becoming before long one of its main leaders in charge of the armed operations.
In the summer of 1896, a Congress of the Macedonian and Odrin revolutionaries, attended by Delchev took place in Thessaloniki. He and Gjorche Petrov were tasked to draft the Constitution and Rulebook of TMORO.
During his frequent visits to Macedonia, he works on establishment of TMORO's organizational network comprised of solid bases, committees and Macedonia guerilla units with a principle goal of full liberation of Macedonia and Odrin region from the Ottoman rule and creating an independent Macedonian state.
Goce steadfastly opposed meddling of the Bulgarian government and the leaders of the Macedonian committees inclined to the Bulgarian authorities. His adamant warning to the President of the Supreme Committee, General Nikolaev, that as long he is capable of carrying a rifle, no Bulgarian officers will be allowed in Macedonia, stands as a most memorable episode of his commitment to preserving the unity by keeping the external influences off the Organization.
His Order issued in 1902, banning the Bulgaria-inclined detachments from entering in Macedonia, as well as the warning issued to official Sofia to mind Bulgaria's business, because Macedonians will take care of Macedonia's business, was aimed at the same goal.
At the regular consultations held in December 1902, Goce Delchev, Dame Gruev, Jane Sandanski and other top figures of TMORO made the decision to wage a guerilla war, instead of raising a frontal insurgence. Later on, Dame Gruev will revise the decision, opting for uprising.
In January 1903, Goce Delchev stands firmly on the position that beginning of an uprising in Macedonia would be premature and futile move. Nonetheless, what is known as Ilinden Uprising took place in Macedonia that year.
In the evening of 2 May, Goce Delchev arrived in the village of Banica, near the town of Serez. Early on May 4, 1903, Delchev and his entourage received an information that Turkish soldiers had them surrounded. He was killed later during the day in an armed skirmish just outside the village.
The recent historigraphical data leave little doubt that Delchev was betrayed, although no clear evidence as to the traitor has emerged yet.
His body had been initially brought into Bulgaria, only to be relocated on October 11, 1946 in Macedonia. His remains are interned in the court of the Skopje's Church "St. Spas".

Posted by TrueMacedonian

Opinions

What is a Greek?

A Greek is anyone who accepts the idea of Hellenism. It doesn't matter what ethnic ancestry they have or what religion they used to be. A Greek is a person who has left his or her identity for a new one.
It sounds like a cult of some sort.
I'm just wondering if this rule can apply across the board. Will we see an influx of ex-Chinese or ex-African people as neo-Hellenes who accept the Hellenic idea? I don't think so.
Oh, and can someone actually tell me what the Hellenic idea is, and what Hellenism is meant to be?

Sooner or later, Greece will erupt.
The funny thing about the Greek squeeze is this. It is 98% pure Greek. And they are still terrified they don't have the loyalty of their citizens. Who are you going to trust?
What a nightmare.

By Paul

ACHAEA AND GREKOS

Today we know that indigenous and intelligent stone age tribes of people lived around the Balkan peninsula region from at least 7,000 bc. They had a common ancestry, spoke dialects of the same language and used proto-Cyrillic writing.
These people adopted the names of the gods from the Egyptians (ie. Zeus and Ra/Iliy) via messengers. As a result, they became known as Zlovani (z>s)/Slovani/Slavs/*proto-Slavs (a religious term) > People of (and/or whom have faith/belief in) Zeus and Iliy. Subsequently, their common language became known as Zlov/Slov(Slav)/*proto-Slav.
Ra was the Egyptian Sun God from whom was derived the indigenous Balkan peoples' Sun God Iliy.
Ra > "Rale" (a Slavic male name) > Ra-le > R-ale > Ale/Ile/Iliy.
The god Zeus (life) is a 'part' product of the 'life giving' Sun God Iliy.
'Arc' (as in Archeology) and 'Agr' (as in Agriculture) are proto-Slavic terms and both mean the same thing, "give birth". (c>k>g>z) Arc>Ark>'Arg'>'Agr'.
Arg > A-r-g > A/Ale/Iliy, r/rod/gave birth, g/gos/zeus. "Iliy gave birth to Zeus".
Agr > A-g-r > A/Ale/Iliy, g/gos/zeus, r/rod/gave birth. "Iliy, to Zeus, gave birth".
The indigenous proto-Slavic inhabitants of the Balkan peninsula region have developed agriculture. The oldest agricultural settlement in Europe is located in 'Macedonia' and is dated around 6,220 BC.
Many millennia later, around 1,600 BC, displaced Sub-Saharan/Afro-Ethiopian Colonists crossed the Mediterranean and arrived at Morea (modern day Peloponnesus). This group never ventured north beyond Mt. Olympus.
The Sub-Saharan/Afro-Ethiopian Colonists may themselves already have believed in Zeus and Ra.
The Sub-Saharan/Afro-Ethiopians learned the concept of agriculture from the indigenous locals. These two groups of people then began to fuse with each other. Centuries later, there was the bronze age Mycenaean Civilization. They became the early Hellenes (H>x>z)/Zellenes > People of (and/or whom have faith belief in) Zeus and Iliy.
They spoke dialects of an early form of Koine. Early Koine was a hybrid language, heavily construed from indigenous proto-Slavic words, some proto-Arab words, etc. Early Koine was based on the hybrid Linear B script. The hybrid Linear B script was heavily construed from the indigenous proto-Slavic Cretans proto-Cyrillic alphabet (Linear A).
The hybrid Mycenaeans later attacked the indigenous proto-Slavic Trojans. Achillies (The hybrid) > 'Axileu', according to an ancient inscription.
A(r)c-xileu, Arc > 'give birth', xileu > zi(ve)leu > the 'proto-Slavic' peoples' 'life giving' Sun God Iliy, "give birth (to Zeus) Iliy".
Arhida: In so-called modern Greek (the bastardized ancient International Mediterranean Koine or Common language) 'arhida' means and/or refer to the testicles, a reproductive organ.       (H>x>z>g) (d>z) > Ar(g)i-(z)(a) > Argi>give birth, z>zeus, a>iliy, "give birth to zeus, iliy"
After the Mycenaean civilization collapsed the entire Balkan peninsula region was plunged into a so-called dark age which lasted up until around the 800's BC. The people of the region eventually began to organize themselves into states. North of Mt. Olympus, the state of Macedon (Mothers' Domain) (united, indigenous, purely proto-Slavic tribes) began with King Caranus in 825 BC. (Note: If you take a look at an ancient map of "today’s" Republic of Macedonia you would see that there was a region called 'Agriania' located at the most northern tip of the country in ancient times).
'Aigai' was the first capital of Ancient Macedonia. "raigai" in Macedonian means "to give birth". Hence (R)aigai, Rai > Ra (gave birth to). Ai >Ale/Ile/Iliy (gave birth to), gai >zeus.
'Raigai' > Ra (gave birth to) zeus. 'Aigai' > Iliy (gave birth to) zeus.
There was a place called Argos in Ancient Macedonia. The Macedonian royal line originated from Argos Orestikon, north of Mt.Olympus in western Ancient Macedonia.
'Arg' >"Argos"> A-r-gos > A>Ale/Iliy, r>rod/gave birth, gos>Zeus.
"Iliy gave birth to zeus"

Orestikon > O-re-sti-kon (t>d), O>Ole/Iliy, re>gave birth, sti>zdi>zeus, kon>via, "Iliy gave birth (to) zeus via".
The Argead's (ie. Argiadi) were the First Macedonian Royal Dynasty (people who have arisen) Arge>give birth, a>Iliy, d>Zeus. "Give birth Iliy (to) Zeus".

Argaeus (Ancient Macedonian King), Arg>give birth, a>Iliy, (z)eus>Zeus. "Give birth Iliy (to) Zeus".
Argida (an old Macedonian female name), Argi>give birth, d>Zeus, a>Iliy. "Give birth (to) Zeus, Iliy".

Furthermore...

Arrhidaios (King Philip II's mentally incapacitated son), Arrhi> Argi> give birth, dai>Zeus. "(Iliy) give birth to Zeus". Archelaus (Ancient Macedonian King)
Arc>give birth, helau>z(iv)elau>the 'proto-Slavic' peoples' 'life giving' Sun God Iliy.
"Give birth (to Zeus) Iliy".
Aristotle, Ari-stot-le, Ari>give birth, stot>zdod>zzoz>zeus, le>Iliy, "Give birth (to Zeus) Iliy".
Arsinoe (Ptolemy II's wife), Ar-z-i-(noe), Ar>give birth, z>zeus, i>iliy, (noe)>suffix, female gender, "Give birth (to) Zeus, Iliy".
The term 'Arg' (give birth) is clearly proto-'Slavic'. "Arkan" (g>k) was the notorious (infamous) leader of the "Tigers". The Serbian paramilitary group. Arkady is also a male Russian name.
Not long after the Macedonian state was formed, south of Mt. Olympus, particularly around the Peloponnesus region the Eur-Ethiopians along with recently arrived Egyptian colonists, Phoenician (proto-Slavic) colonists, etc, began to form independent of each other City states. They all came to speak dialects of the same (hybrid) Koine language, which was heavily construed from the indigenous proto-Slavic language. The City States received their alphabet from the proto-Slavic Phoenicians, though the 'pre-Hellenic' proto-Slavic Pelasgian alphabet predated the Phoenician. It is this society which is known as the "Hellenes".
When the Olympic Games started in 776 BC and were held on the south side of Mt. Olympus only City State Hellenes were allowed to compete.
The people of the City states began to traverse the seas. They became colonists themselves, which included a colonial establishment on the island of Sicily.
There was also (not surprisingly) an 'Argos' in the Peloponnesus.
A region just above the center of (in) the Peloponnesus was called Arcadia. Arca>give birth, d>zeus, i>iliy, (a)> is a suffix referring to the region. "Give birth (to) Zeus, Iliy".
City State colonists did not penetrate Macedonian lands beyond the coastal regions at Chalcidice. The colonies were never much more than trading centers along the coast.
The legendary origin of the Macedonians from Argos on the Peloponnesus dates from and may even have been invented by King Alexander I of Macedon (498 bc - 454 bc). Alexander I had done a great favour for the City States prior to the battle of Plataea in 479 bc and was therefore known as a philhellene ("friend" of the people of the City States). But it is obvious Alexander could not have been a Hellene if he was called a philhellene (not referred to as a Hellene!). When as a philhellene he wanted to take part in the Olympic Games, he was rejected, since the games were not meant for the barbarians (varvari) (Zlovani) but only for the Helleni! The Macedonian king, for the sake of his own prestige and to fulfill his desire to take part in the Great Games, tried cunning tactics. He stated that, according to tradition, his family originated from Argos on the Peloponnesus and not from Argos Orestikon in western Macedonia! Consequently he became the first Macedonian at the Olympic Games!
Not long after King Philip II of Macedon came to the throne he expelled the City State colonists from Chalcidice and then went on to conquer the provocative City States.
Centuries later (during Roman times) the Romans did in fact make some references to the descendants of the City State colonists in Sicily as 'Grekos', but they referred to the territory south of Olympus (particularly the Peloponnesus) as 'Achaea'. (Note: A Roman map recently discovered clearly shows Macedonia, Thrace and Achaea, not surprisingly, as separate entities). Why did the Romans use the terms 'Grekos' and 'Achaea'?
The terms 'Grekos' and 'Achaea' are of indigenous proto-Slavic origin. Consider the following:
Achaea, A(r)c-hae-(a), A(r)c > Arg > give birth. (*=Agre), hae > zae > zeus. (*=kos)
(a) > is a suffix referring to the 'land', (Iliy) 'gave birth' (to) 'Zeus', 'land'. (*=land of birth)
'Achaea' is the City State people's 'land of birth'.
Grekos, (A)gre-kos, Agre > A(r)c > give birth. (*A(r)c), kos > hae > zae > zeus. (*hae)
(Iliy) 'gave birth' (to) 'Zeus'. (*=A(r)chae), Grekos' = A(r)chae', Grekos' or A(r)chae' are (independent of each other) City State peoples' who come from A(r)chaea.
Greece > A(r)chaea > Achaea. Greeks > A(r)chaeans > Achaeans.
Ancient Macedonia and (proto-Slavic) Thrace were not part of Achaea! So, how can Macedonians be Greeks?!
Note: The Romans too may have perceived the descendants of the City State colonists of Sicily as agricultural people. They could also have mistaken them as the developers of agriculture.
In any event the people of the Ancient City States were lost to history.

By Struja

Do you know what the word compromise means?

It seems we share different meanings for the same term with our Greek friends. It means - "I am giving up something and you are giving up something". Then we have a compromise.
Macedonia changed its flag; Greece did nothing!

Macedonia changed its constitution; Greece did nothing!

So now it’s time for Greece to give up something, and twice that!
Then, and only then we can say that we had a REAL compromise.
How about Greece gives;
1. Full recognition and human rights for the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece;
2. Recognition to Macedonia by its constitutional name.
If Greece wants name changes why not follow its track record for name changes in Greek occupied Macedonia and change “Greek Macedonia” into “Greek occupied Macedonia” and then we can be the best of friends for EVER!!

By Magedon

Concerns

Hon Mike Rann, MP, Premier

Dear Premier,

I am extremely disappointed with your comments made in Greece this week.
You have been reported as saying the following:
"Macedonia belongs to Greece, like the Acropolis does .... no nation should steal the history and insignia belonging to another nation."
If you would like a history lesson, I am happy to provide one for you and would be happy to meet with you to describe the situation in exquisite detail. But, let it be said that the region described as Macedonia in Northern Greece is only a relatively recent phenomena that has not yet made it to 100 years old. My family (and many like them) have suffered as a result of Greece's attempts to make them into Greeks.
It is extremely offensive and divisive to make such comments. Surely you are aware such flippant comments have an impact in Australia's multicultural communities. If you genuinely want to understand the history and politics of the region, please allow me the opportunity to convey the Macedonian perspective.  

Sincerely
Risto the Great

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Western Scholars – Is that all there is?

I have read many publications by western authors and often wondered about their ignorance of the world. They are not the only authority on science and history. I don't care what they have to say the SAME as they don't care about what scholars and researchers from my part of the world have to say. If it is contradictory to their belief westerners ridicule it. To put it bluntly, for me western scholars are pseudo-historians, pseudo-scientists and hypocrites at that. They have entire libraries full of books but their knowledge is full of holes. I have mentioned the Bosnian pyramids on this forum many times but no Greek so far dared to even comment about them. The Bosnian pyramid foundation has managed to effectively show the world's leading archeologists and scholars in their true light: pseudo-scholars. Go and speak to a Serbian or Bosnian or any Slav, East European, or even go far as India, China, Africa, and ask a simple peasant do they trust the history and science the western scholars are propagating? The most likely answer will be no! I know of this first hand. The west is not taken seriously by most people in the world. What do you think will happen in Bosnia and Herzegovina in just a few years when history books will have to be rewritten? When people realize they have been mislead, do you think that those "underground" scholars of Bosnia will be quiet? And not just them. Serbia has many organizations and institutions which yell loudly that history should be researched properly and not by foreigners who cannot understand it. Foreigners have made too much damage to history and science and now it is time for them to stop. Do you really think that Macedonians are alone in their revealing of ancient facts? The Russians built entire academies and institutions which include research centers for Proto-Slavic history. The Serbs published entire book collections of alternative history books. And we can move further. I have mentioned the Indians. The western scholars are powerless against them. The west claim that Aryans arrived in India around 1500 BC but the Indians have discovered that the Aryan invasion theory is a great big lie. You think it will take us long to prove the Slavic invasion theory wrong? There is nothing the west can do now. They have long been proven to be hypocrites and liars. It is just a matter of time before they'll have to admit it.

"It is not enough to be studious, active and persevering, if one has no firm principles, no solid basis, if immoderate enthusiasm blinds one to reason, if pride overrules judgment, if greed expands before the prospect of a golden future… learn to think more with their own brains and less with those of others... Finally, when success has crowned so many years of labour, when his desires have been accomplished, the Wise Man, despising the vanities of this world, will draw near to the humble, the disinherited, to all those who work, suffer, struggle and weep here below. As an anonymous and dumb disciple of eternal Nature, an apostle of eternal Charity, he will remain faithful." - Fulcanelli, Les Mysteres des Cathedrales

By Slovak
http://tomispev.tripod.com/

Bravo my young friend!

So, the WEST represents a serious institution you say

The WEST has a history of colonial domination! More than that - the history of the WEST has been one of ideological domination! The WEST decides who we are, and who we are not - whether we are Orientals, whether we are 'ancients'. Modern Greek nation - wouldn't exist without the WEST - Greece should be seen as a Western apparatus for dominating and having authority over the 'barbarians'. You should be seeing the relationship between the WEST (Europe) and the ethnic Macedonians as one of power, and domination; not a reciprocal encounter or one of mutual constitution. When the Macedonians rose up in 1903, the British sent war ships to the Aegean, to support Turkey. The Macedonians are not allowed to represent their emotions, their presence or their history -because the WEST - through Greece speaks for them.

By Paul

No, no, it was the Albanian fleet, people like Kondouriotes and the rest, of course today they are Greek "heroes", they never would have thought that their battle of rebellion for Christians against Muslims 200 years later would be viewed as the battle for the Greek nation.
NONE of these Albanians referred to themselves as Hellenes, all were ROMAOI.

By Soldier of Macedon

RE: THE PATHETIC "HELLENIZED" NON-GREEK TERRITORIAL CATCH CRY; "Macedonia was, is and always will be Greek!"

How can it be?

First of all, if "Greece" ('Grekos') translates to A(r)chaea (refer to my article), then the phrase should be "Macedonia was, is and always will be A(r)chaean!" (A Roman map recently discovered, however, clearly shows Macedonia, Thrace, and Achaea (not surprisingly) as separate entities!)
Excluding the Macedonians, the various peoples of the modern, artificial, single state of Greece (including the 'colonists' in the Greek occupied part of Macedonia) are not at all descended from the Ancient, independent of each other, City State people of A(r)chaea! The Macedonians in the Greek occupied part of Macedonia are descendants of the Ancient Macedonians as are those over the border from The Republic of Macedonia.
The saying should be: "Macedonia 'never was' part of the independent (of each other) City States of A(r)chaea ('land of birth', not literally though), 'never was', but since 1913 a part of it 'illegally is' and it 'will remain to be seen' if it stays part of the single, modern, artificial state of 'Greece' (which was created in 1829 and is not the successor of the independent (of each other) City states of  A(r)chaea)."

By Struja

Free Advice

Just keep on doubting boy.....


Taken from this book by Florin Curta "Southeastern Europe in the Middle Ages, 500-1250" page 120. This is straight from the horse’s mouth.... ah but wait, the emperor must have been BRAINWASHED by TITO!

By Jordan Piperkata

I BELIEVE SOME OF YOUR CLAIMS BUT.....

Greetings Mr. Stefov and my fellow Europeans,

I have been reading all of the comments from ''Macedonians'' and Greeks alike and I am saddened to see so much Hatred Between two peoples that share so much in common including the Orthodox Christian religion. So much Hatred, so many Insults and much name calling one would think we are a bunch of kids arguing over who's father is stronger.

So many arguments and so called facts by so called experts on both sides, wow! Who and what to believe..

My name is George Roumeliotis  and all of my life people have asked me ‘’what’s your nationality?’’  I replied proudly Greek! And I always got the same response every single time until this day: ‘’What? You don’t look Greek at all’’ Why? Because I am not of average height with dark hair and dark features? You see I’m 6 foot 4, 250lbs and I have light brown hair with blue eyes and my beard is kind of reddish. It was even worse as a kid because my hair was blond! In Greek school all the kids would ask me if I was mixed! Haha, you gotten love the Irony, if ( I ) was mixed, as if they were 98% pure Greek. You see I am not an expert in world or ancient history however I do have some knowledge limited as it may be, and although some of your claims are plausible, others are quite ridiculous and baseless not to mention insulting.

Some of the e-mails are so hypocritical, for instance telling us Greeks we have no right to call ourselves Greek but It is ok for you to proudly call yourselves Macedonian as if you are 98% pure Macedonian!! You were subject to many invasions and inter-marriages with Greeks and Vlachs so I don’t see how some of you can claim this. Furthermore, you should acknowledge the possibility that it is you that is wrong and brainwashed by your own People’s propaganda and the super intelligent communist Tito.

(Soldier of Macedon) claims that Most blonde-blue-eyed citizens of modern Greece are of Slavic origin, now I don’t have a problem with the possibility of having some Slavic blood in me, I mean I look at myself in the mirror and I see that to most people I look either Polish, German, Serbian, and some people have called me Irish!  I am not a hater, I love all people of this planet , yes even the Turks ,who are responsible for so many atrocities on my people and yours not to mention the Armenians, Vlachs and Kurds. I take a look at my last name ROUMELIOTIS and instantly I see that my ancestors are from Roumeli in central Greece and many Slavs settled in that area, although my Father, grandfather his father and the father before him all hail from Mani in the south of the Peloponnesus where Ottoman rule was never strongly established. Those Maniates were crazy fighters and proud Hellenes.  Generally speaking the history of Mani is part and parcel of the Peloponnesian history.
At first under the reign of Leon of Sofu (886-912) the name of Mani referred either to a rather small area where the residence of a bishop was located or perhaps only just to one castle. It was called the castle of Mani or Maini (Le Mange in French) and was built by Villardouinos in 1248 that is in the last decades before the origin of the Greek kingdom.
Later the name Mani was applied to the area where free people lived in the period of the Turkish joke. It should be mentioned that Mani is a rough, waterless and barren area with cold winters and hot summers. Situated in the remote area of the Peloponnesus the proud and inaccessible Mani never submitted to any foreign conqueror. The last finds in the Alepotripa cave proved that Mani was inhabited already in the Paleolithic times. And it is important to stress that since that time on the life never stopped here.
The remote location of Mani, its peculiar geomorphology and certain historical events helped the origin and development of original local civilization based mainly on deeply rooted traditions, old social system and monuments of folk architecture.
SoM claims that  ‘’At the time of the Greek war of Independence, the population that lived in the areas that saw battle was not Greek-speaking, nor were the territories that were to be later occupied by the neo-state. Much of the warriors who fought for the liberty of the land were Albanians, some were Slavic and Vlach, almost all fought for freedom rather than for the realization of a Hellenic state’’ Are you serious with that baseless assumption?? Were you there Mr. Soldier of Macedon?? Did you fight alongside those people? Can you accurately say how many Vlachs, Slavs and Albanians fought for freedom?? Don’t be ridiculous some of the greatest heroes of the war for independence were Greek and Greek speaking, heroes like Theodoros Kolokotronis, Andreas Miaoulis, a Woman by the name of Bouboulina, Karaiskakis and the famous Athanasios Diakos who was burned alive by the Turks because he wouldn’t convert to Islam, his last words were ‘’GREKOS  GENNITHIKA ,GREKOS THA PETHANO’’ witch means: ‘’I was born Greek and I will die a Greek’’  The severely wounded Diakos was taken before Vryonis, who offered to make him an officer in the Ottoman army if he converted from Christianity to Islam. Diakos refused the offer, replying "I was born a Greek, I shall die a Greek". Next day he was impaled and roasted alive. By popular tradition, as he was being roasted he said: Look at the time Charon chose to take me, now that the branches are flowering, and the earth sends forth grass.
This was a metaphor for the independence and freedom of Greece. The world in which Byzantium-Constantinople-New Rome grew up was Greek. So were the surviving Roman citizens and soon the emperors too. Athens had fallen into a decline, and Constantinople was now the heart and centre of the Greek race. When theological discord about the Holy Ghost divided the East and the West the newer imperial city became the metropolis of the Eastern Christendom as well, and remained so for all its millennial span. So, for a thousand years; the Greeks were Romaioi -Romans- as well as Hellenes; and the word Romaioi soon meant a subject of the Empire and an Orthodox Eastern Christian in rather confusing contrast to the Western Christians with their spiritual capital in Old Rome. The word 'Hellene' came to mean a pagan, and when, after Julian the Apostate's brief revival, paganism disappeared, the word `Hellene' went into abeyance too.

But Mr. Soldier of Macedon conveniently left that part out, shame on you for insulting my heritage like that you should read up on your history sir and find out who were those Greek heroes. The assumption that no Greek speaking commoner at the time referred to himself as a Hellene is simply not true. I also read everything Maria Makeski wrote and I sense a lot of passion from this woman but also a lot of hate. To claim something outrageous as ‘’ No one is hungry in Macedonia because Macedonians make sure everyone eats, strangers included” merely reflects her own experience and not reality, but I do admire her passion.
Please Maria, do not generalize that Greeks hate or loathe you because I do neither of those things and I do not consider myself superior in anyway nor do I believe I am 98% ethnically Pure Greek and I will have you know that none of my friends believe this either and no one. In Greece that I know (friends and relatives) no one believes this either.

As far as the invasions are concerned, Romans, Turks, Vlachs, Albanians, Armenians, Egyptians, and others may have contributed to the Greek gene pool but they also contributed to the ‘’Macedonian’’ pool as well and not all those invaders contributed 100% of their population! A good example of that is the Persians who did not wish to ‘’Persianize’’ their empire. A lot of them still married their own kind and that includes the Greeks as well.

Truth of the matter is none of us were there and no one knows exactly what happened, and how it happened, most of your claims can be considered as your word against the world’s because it is just speculation and there is no real beyond the shadow of a doubt evidence to back it up. I will explain this a little later. For now, permit me if you will to explain why I consider myself Greek and why I am proud of my Hellene heritage even if you call it ‘’Creation of a Nation’’. Like SoM says Genetically, there is no modern nation that is descended directly from a 2,000 year old ancient nation except maybe for some Tamil tribes in southern India and some Chinese Tribes in China but they do not form a nation.

Theories over disputed lands in the Balkans, Kosovo and Transylvania to be dictated by a wish to prove that one nation or other has a claim to a piece of land because it got there first. Thus, it is argued, there must always have been Greeks in Northern Greece, always Romanians in Romania and Romanians for a fairly long time in the Central Balkans.

There is no country in the world today that is perfect or without faults or things that they can improve, with that being said, I don’t care that we are hybrids or mongrels, the fact of the matter is that we come from a land that from Crete to Ithaca to the rest of the Ionian and Aegean Islands, the Peloponnesus, to Arcadia and beyond north into Macedonia (city state) where there was a people called Hellenes, whether they were Mycenean, Dorian, Ionian, Aechean, doesn’t matter they were united by one language(different dialects) one religion the twelve main Gods and one Hellenic conscience. When they were threatened, they united to face the enemy together as Hellenes(i.e. vs the Persians) Just like the American people from Texas are different than people from Vermont but they are both American. Anyway The point I am trying to make is that we the modern Greeks are still descendants of those ancient Hellenes and so are you Macedonians of Slavic tongue because although we were conquered by so many people, If you go back far enough our bloodline is Hellenic!! Yes we are mongrels! But we don’t care because we also know what we are and that we are here today because of those ancient Hellenes, OUR ancestors, you go back far enough and we all have a common ancestor, so whether the Hellenic state was revived does not matter to me because what I am proud of is the Blue and White stripes with the white Christian cross. In the same way as many Americans and even some English people feel vaguely and sentimentally attached to Ireland, we feel attached to The Hellenes! We don’t speak Persian or Goth or Hun or Latin we speak Greek and we are Greek!   But we all have many ancestors, and, if we carried to its logical conclusion the theory that an ancestor of a particular ethnic group qualified us for membership of that group, we would all be members of a great many groups. In the case of qualifications through a feeling of identity it is the only thing we can use today to classify who we are. It is not our fault (Greeks) that you Yugoslavs tended quickly to divide yourselves into Slovenes, Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Albanians, Bulgarians and others. I am proud of the country of Greece today for many reasons, I love the fact that we are European Champions in football (2004) Euro. 2005 Basketball Champs, great in Volleyball, track and field, and water polo. Great Tennis players like Sampras, Baghdatis and Philipoussis.

Five companies in the NYSE (stock exchange) none from the Balkans. People around the world love our cuisine they love our Greek restaurants both high end and low end, they love our Souvlaki and our Metaxa and Ouzo nobody knows of ‘’Macedonian Brandy’’. They love our beaches and our Islands, women love Greek men, considered great lovers! The world loves how we party and throw wedding bashes and our Easter celebrations are one of a kind! I love the modern state of Greece and its here to stay. Europe is now united and all kinds of people are entering Greece, so the Gene pool will further be altered but I don’t care! Because I am Greek and my son is Greek and his name is Alexandros, witch means protector of man by the way, I don’t know what you morons are thinking with sandar sandor or whatever. It is of Greek origin, and its meaning is "man's defender, warrior".  Andros means Man for all you morons who think otherwise. Also, by the way Thessaloniki means victory in Thessaly you morons!  Niki means victory, what the heck is saloon??
From the Greek name Philippos which means "friend of horses", composed of the elements philos "friend" and hippos "horse". Saint Philip was one of the twelve apostles. This was also the name of an early figure in the Christian church spoken of in Acts in the New Testament. The name was borne by five kings of Spain, six kings of France, and five kings of Macedonia, including Philip II the father of Alexander the Great, it is not Phylii or whatever, you are forgetting the P at the end ZAC 1 (the first) Philip: Ph-ili-p (friend of Iliy, Hahahahaha!! That is ridiculous, his name was Phillipos you moron NOT Phili.
Aristotle: Aristot-le / ile  (at least half Macedonian) another ridiculous assumption!! Half?? Please. What bothers me about you so called Macedonians is that you don’t reply to any smart e-mails, not like the kind Imathiotis writes but smart ones because you don’t know what to say.
Here are a few quotes from the past that you cannot deny Ancient sources about Alexander’s army Greek character.
- Ancient Sources -
1 .“Porus, bringing up his elephants, followed these movements, guided by the noise, and Alexander gradually led him to make these marches, parallel to his own, a regular thing. This went on for some time, until Porus, finding that the Greeks never went beyond shouts and yells, gave it up. Clearly, it was a false alarm; so he ceased to follow the movements of the Greek cavalry and stayed where he was in his original position with lookouts posted at various points along the river.” Arrian’s Life of Alexander the Great. Penguin Classics. Translated by Aubrey De Selincourt. Page 172
2. “Alexander promptly sent for Abisares, adding a threat that, should he fail to appear he would soon see the Greek army and its commander-in-chief and in an unwelcome spot.” Arrian’s Life of Alexander the Great. Penguin Classics. Translated by Aubrey De Selincourt. Page 182
3. Even though Xerxes had a huge host with him, he was a barbarian and was defeated by the prudence of the Hellenes; whereas Alexander the Hellene has already engaged in 13 battles and has not been defeated once.” <`Pseudo-Kallisthenes’ 2.3.4.-5; Oration of Demosthenes>
4. “And, now, is justly the barbarian <Xerxes> praised by the Athenians for capturing Hellenes? As for Alexander who is a Hellene and captured Hellenes, not only did he not imprison his opponents, but enlisted them and made them his allies instead of enemies… “<`Pseudo-Kallisthenes’ 2.4.5; Oration of Demosthenes>
5. “No king of the Hellenes had ever conquered Egypt with the exception only of Alexander, and that he did without war…” <`Pseudo-Kallisthenes’ 2.4.7-8; Oration of Demosthenes>
6. Mutiny was but a step away when, unperturbed by all this, Alexander summoned a full meeting of his generals and officers in his tent and ordered the Egyptian seers to give their opinion. They were well aware that the annual cycle follows a pattern of changes, that the moon is eclipsed when it passes behind the earth or is blocked by the sun, but they did not give this explanation, which they themselves knew, to the common soldiers. Instead, they declared that the sun represented the Greeks and the moon the Persians, and that an eclipse of the moon predicted disaster and slaughter for those nations. (Quintus Curtius Rufus 4.10)
7. Alexander called a meeting of his generals the next day. He told them that no city was more hateful to the Greeks than Persepolis, the capital of the old kings of Persia, the city from which troops without number had poured forth, from which first Darius and then Xerxes had waged an unholy war on Europe. To appease the spirits of their forefathers they should wipe it out, he said.
(Quintus Curtius Rufus 5.6)
8. “…The Greeks moved on thence, from the sacred island, and were already coasting along Persian territory…” [Arrian, Indica XXXVIII:]
9. …Thence they sailed eight hundred stades, anchoring at Troea; there were small and poverty-stricken villages on the coast. The inhabitants deserted their huts and the Greeks found there a small quantity of corn, and dates from the palms…”
[Arrian, Indica XXIX]
10. “…he (Alexander) inflicted punishment on the Persians for their outrages on all the Greeks, and how he delivered us all from the greatest evils by enslaving the barbarians and depriving them of the resources they used for the destruction of the Greeks, pitting now the Athenians and now the Thebans against the ancestors of these Spartans, how in a word he made Asia subject to Greece.” [Polybius, Book IX, 34, 3]
11. “…Yet through Alexander (the Great) Bactria and the Caucasus learned to revere the gods of the Greeks… Alexander established more than seventy cities among savage tribes, and sowed all Asia with Greek magistracies... Egypt would not have its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Seleucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus a Greek city, for by the founding of cities in these places savagery was extinguished and the worse element, gaining familiarity with the better, changed under its influence…” [Plutarch’s Moralia, On the Fortune of Alexander I, 328D, 329A (Loeb, F.C. Babbitt)]
12. “But he said, ‘If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes’; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things HELLENIC, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, TO PUSH THE BOUNDS OF MACEDONIA TO THE FARTHEST OCEAN, AND TO DISSEMINATE AND SHOWER THE BLESSINGS OF HELLENIC JUSTICE and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and DESIRE THAT VICTORIOUS HELLENES SHOULD DANCE AGAIN in India […]”
[Plutarch’s Moralia, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332A (Loeb, F.C Babbitt)]
13. Similarly, the Thebans voted to drive out the garrison in the Cadmeia and not to concede to Alexander the leadership of the Greeks. [Diodorus of Sicily, 17.3.4]
14. he spoke to them in moderate terms and had them pass a resolution appointing him general plenipotentiary of the Greeks and undertaking themselves to join in an expedition against Persia seeking satisfaction for the offences which the Persians had committed against Greece. [Diodorus of Sicily, 17.4.9]
15. “Alexandros observed that his soldiers were exhausted with their constant campaigns. …The hooves of the horses had been worn thin by steady marching. The arms and armour were wearing out, and the Hellenic clothing was quite gone. They had to clothe themselves in materials of the barbarians,…” (Diodoros of Sicily 17.94.1-2)
16. “There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is theirs cause from ours ! They will be fighting for pay— and not much of it at that; we on the contrary shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it. As for our foreign troops —Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians, Agrianes — they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of Asia.” Arrian - The Campaigns of Alexander. Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7 Penguin Classics. Page 112. Translation by Aubrey De Seliucourt.
17. “…so said the military leaders to the camps: `We have made enough war in Persia and conquered Dareios who claimed taxes from the Hellenes, but what are we accomplishing by marching against the Indians, in scary lands and doing things IMPROPER FROM HELLAS? If Alexandros has become full of himself and wishes to be a warrior, and subjugate barbarian peoples why do we follow him? Let him move on alone and engage in wars. Having heard these Alexander separated the Persian host from the MACEDONIANS AND THE OTHER HELLENES and addressed them…” (`Pseudo-Kallisthenes’ 3.1.2-4)
18. Alexander (the Great)… after talking to the Thessalians and the other Hellenes,… grabbed his spear with his left hand, shifted his right hand to pray to the gods, as Kallisthenes reports, wishing, if he is indeed a SON of ZEUS that they SUPPORT the HELLENES. Aristandros, the priest…” (Plutarchos, Alexander 33)
19. “Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Hellas and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury;… I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks… “ (Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II, 14, 4)
20. ”He sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander son of Philip and the Hellenes, except the Lacedaemonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia”,

What do you have to say about this?? Tell me Macedonians why Did you so called Proto-Slav King spread HELLENISM!!!!!!?? WHY?? WHY NOT SPREAD HIS OWN CULTURE THEN?
SLOV, OR SLAV OR THE WORD OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT!! BECAUSE HE WAS A HELLENE!!  I have not seen any Macedonian answer this, why?  Please tell me..
Anyway I can go on and on and on, but we have limited space and time, I hope that you can publish this e-mail in the Macedonian Digest Mr. Stefov and I welcome any e-mails from your self or any of your readers. My e-mail is roumeliotis944@yahoo.ca.

Thank you for reading me and have a nice day.

George Roumeliotis.

History

Compiled by H.Andonovski - Macedonian Review, 1/93

"The wide masses of Macedonia, were oppressed not only by the pashas, beys and agas, but also by the local rich people and the Greek high church officials. Therefore, the majority of the Slavophone Macedonians decided to rise against the Turkish tyranny and the injustice of the Metropolitans, and in an autonomous and independent Macedonia to build political and national equality..." (loannis Kordatos, Istoria tis neas Ellados, vol.5, Athens 1955)
Chronicling Greek Army activity in Macedonia during the Balkan Wars: "Occasionally, all of a sudden a village woman would step out and start swearing in her own difficult Macedonian language..." (Spiros Melas, 'The Epopee from 1912 to 1913', published in installments in the newspaper Acropolis in 1952).
"At the time when Greek sovereignty was established over Macedonia, it was estimated that 57,4% of its population were 'foreign elements' and that the Greeks constituted 42.6% of the inhabitants, which is probably exaggerated because in the survey of 1912, for obvious reasons, many inhabitants of Macedonia were entered as Greeks, even though they did not hold themselves as such... It should not be forgotten, that the minority that 'weighed the heaviest on the ethnologic scales of Macedonia' was the Slavophone population." (A. Aegidis, I Ellas horis prosfiges, Athens 1930, pp. 168-169).
"Swearing at old men and women in the street or dragging them through police stations solely because they do not speak Greek can be done only in an unjust regime, which transfers the responsibility for the current situation from the history and the state to innocent individuals." (Sotirios Kodzhamanis, National questions, Salonica 1954, p.40).
"These people are stricken by poverty and they have been spurned since the moment they were born... In the period between the two Wars the only hope the Macedonian people in Greece had for the preservation of their national identity and for the realization of their basic national rights as a minority came from the Greek Communist Party. Between 1924 and 1935, the latter supported the idea of self-determination of the Macedonian people in Greece as well as for the independence and unity of Macedonia and Thrace, which later changed into a demand for "national equality for the minorities within the Greek state". (The Mystery of Goche, Polis Ioannidis, Salonica)
"Another problem which the Government keeps ignoring in its declarations is the question of giving the minorities in Greece rights equal to those of the native Greek population. This refers in the first place to the Macedonian people. Anyone who has traveled through Macedonia must have felt the specific pressure exerted on the Macedonians. They have been strictly forbidden to have their own schools, speak their own language or practice their own customs. As a result, the people are getting organized and ready to fight for their rights, in which we can't but support them. The winning countries in the Great War and the League of Nations sanctioned the right for the self-determination of oppressed nations. And we also grant this right to the Macedonian people..." (Parliamentary speech given by Cummunist leader Stelios Sklavenas, April 25, 1936)
"By what means can we tame the spirits and eradicate the hatred? There are three essential elements, a real protection of the minorities, which would forbid any forced emigration, education of the new generation in schools, and good traffic connections with all Balkan countries... Everybody should understand, that we cannot endlessly change the family name suffixes -opoulos into -opovich, then into -opov, or in the reverse direction, and that the mind should be free and the will of the individual fully respected." (Ioannis Sofianopoulos, Pos ida tin Valkaniki, Athens 1927, p.204).

"It has been 18 years since the liberation of Macedonia. In this period we have had many governmens from various parties, but we have not seen a systematic state policy with respect to the national question, so extremely important for the Psychological and linguistic assimilation of those who speak a foreign dialect, particularly the Slavophone inhabitants of Macedonia... In the 'foreign language' areas nothing has really changed with respect to the language since the liberation of Macedonia. These areas have remained faithful to their dialect and to customs alien to the Greek. I even dare say that the people of certain Macedonian areas have reinforced their earlier national feeling instead of losing it..." (Vasilios Vizas, Eparhiaki, published in Kozani, Nov.16.2930)

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GENETICS AND MYTHOLOGY

Thousands of years ago (since at least 7,000 bc) around the region where the three continents meet (Europe, Asia and Africa) there lived tribes of indigenous proto-Balkan peoples. They had a common ancestry, wrote (basically) in the same 'proto-Cyrillic' alphabet and spoke dialects of the same language.
Through Egyptian messengers the proto-Balkan people had adopted their religion and the names of their gods (ie. Ra and Zeus). They had become people of Zeus and Iliy (Ra became Iliy) or Zlovani/Slovani/Slavs. (Note: The names of the individual tribes became 'Slavic' too. For example: Pelasgians, Paeonians, Lyncestians, Trojans, Thracians, Illyrians, etc).
The fact that the proto-Balkan peoples spoke dialects of the same language, the 'religious' term Zlovani/Slovani/'Slavs' also became (confused) a 'linguistic' descriptor; the Zlovansko/Slovansko/'Slavic' tounge.
Many millennia later, around 1600 bc the displaced Sub-Saharan/Afro-Ethiopian Colonists crossed the Mediterranean and settled on European soil around Morea (modern day Peleponnesus) and Attica. (They themselves may, however, already have believed in Zeus and Ra!?) Interestingly, 'Zeus' is the name or title of the supreme god of Ethiopians and the Egyptians! He was known as Zeus, Zeus-Ammon, Ausar, Khnum, Ammon-Zeus and Ethiops.
The Sub-Saharan/Afro-Ethiopian Colonists began to assimilate, and over time, assimilated with some local 'Slav' tribes. (Note: Apart from some 'later' City State Colonists who temporarily established some trading colonies around the coastal regions at Chalcidice, this 'African' yoke and menace did not penetrate deeper into 'Macedonian' lands).
Homer (in the 8th century bc) in the Iliad mentions (Macedonian) 'tribes' (Paeonian, Pelasgian, Phrygian and other Zlovani/Slovani/'Slavic' tribes) that fight on the side of the Trojans against the 'early' 'hybrid' Mycenaeans and their allies, whom he calls 'Danaians'. According to Homer the Trojan war occurred in 1,193 - 1,183 bc. (Note: There was a prehistoric Egyptian King by the name of Danaos! He was a native black African of Egypt. The Egyptians, of course, were predominantly black people).
The bronze age Mycenaean Civilization, of course, collapsed and ceased to exist. This too is also open to debate about why and how it happened!
North of Mt. Olympus from around 825 bc certain indigenous tribes of purely 'proto'-Slavic peoples began to be unified under the name 'Makedon', most likely for their own benefit and because of the threat from the south. 'Mothers Domain', or the Kingdom of 'Makedon' as it was known.
According to ancient Mediterranean 'mythology' (a proto-Slavic term), from Zeus and Tira, (the older son) Makedon was born (Magnis). Mag(nis), Mag(nes), Mag(nesia) = Make(e)(don).  (g>k). Mag(e)> Mak(e) >'Mother'. (s>z). nis> 'niz' (nez or nezia, depending on gender) = 'don' >the 'place' where one finds him/herself (in relation to the space) beside someone or something.
Mag-'niz' (nez, nezia) and Make-'don' = Mothers 'place' (domain).
Not long after the 'early' Macedonian state was formed, south of Olympus, particularly around the Peloponnesus region, the Eur-Ethiopians along with recently arrived Egyptian and Phoenician (proto-Slavic) Colonists began to form (independent of each other) City States. It is these people whom are 'infamously' known as the 'Hellenes'. (H>x>z) Hellenes ('Zellenes') > People of Zeus and Ra (Iliy).
The 'hybrid' people of the City States (and Romans) also referred to Zeus as Serapis, Jupiter, Jove, Zagreus, Dionysus and Osiris.
The people of the City States began to traverse the seas. They became colonists themselves which included a colonial establishment on the island of Sicily. (As previously mentioned City State colonists did not penetrate Macedonian lands beyond the coastal regions at Chalcidice).
Walter Burkert has estimated that the 'original' Egyptian Heracles was renowned as far back as 20,000 years ago! The Ancient City States Heracles ended up recieving honours for the accomplishments of his predecessor, having the title of 'Heracles'! Zeus, the Supreme Father God is said to be the City States' 'Heracles' actual father. Ancient literature by the City State scholars reveals that 1. Herakles' parents were descendants of the Egyptian King Danaos! 2. Herakles' father, Amphitryon and his mother, Alkmene were first cousins, grandchildren of the mighty hero Perseus, who is the great, great, great, great, grandson of King Danaos! Apollodorus points to the fact that the City States Herakles' parents were also descended from Perseus' wife, Andromeda, whose parents were Cepheus and Cassiopeia, the rulers of Ethiopia!
Herakle(s) (H>x>z, k>g>z), Ze-ra-z-le, Ze(v)-ra(jgjan)-(od)-z(ive)-le. 'Zeus' was 'born' from the 'life giving' 'Iliy'
The people of the Ancient City States readily admitted and aknowledged their biracial heritage. There have been archeological finds to prove this, that they were descendants of Africans and the (proto-Slavic) Europeans of 'earlier' times. (reference: The Greek Heracles Was A Black Man And The African Influence In Greek Aesthetics: By Samuel David Ewing-from The Macedonian Digest #15)
Historians misunderstand King Philip II of Macedon (from 359-336 bc). Given the weakness of his Kingdom and his experience in a world of turmoil, Philip's only desire was for the security of his kingdom. By his actions Philip's early ambitions were not of conquest but of defense. He (simultaneously) incorporated 'other' "proto-Slavic" tribes into the Macedonian Kingdom (approximately up to where the present day northern border of the Republic of Macedonia is). Philip soon expelled the City State Colonists from Chalcidice then had no choice but to conquer and subsequently weld together the provocative (independent of each other) City States. NOT MACEDONIA WITH THE CITY STATES!
The City States were to make a common peace and alliance with one another first and then a separate alliance with Macedonia. Hence a Hellenic League was formed comprised of all the City States on one hand and Macedonia on the other! Macedonia was not a member of the Hellenic League! The 'union' was held together by a policy of force! (reference: Eugene Borza)
If modern "Hellenized" non-Greeks think that Macedonia merged with the Ancient City States then why doesn't the "Hellenized" non-Greek government discard the names 'Hellas' and 'Greece' and call their entire artificially created country 'Macedonia'? Its common practice to use the name of the victor and not the loser!
As per the recently deciphered center text on the Rosetta Stone which was found in Egypt, the Ancient Macedonians (like Homer centuries earlier) also called the citizens of the Ancient City States Danaians ("Danajtsi").
Note: Like the word 'Don', "Dan" can also mean a 'place' (a Domain). In the Slavic language this would be dependent on what particular prefix or suffix is used on either word for them to make sense.

Consider the following:

Makedonija > Make-don-ija > Make>Mother/s, Don>Domain. "Mothers Domain" ('Don' is a suffix).
Dardania > Dar-dan-ia > Dar>Gift, Dan>Domain "Gifted Domain" ('Dan" is a suffix).
King Philip II of Macedon extended the Macedonian northern frontier and incorporated a 'part' of "proto-Slavic" Dardania into the Macedonian Kingdom. Proto-Slavic Dardania was largely outside the (northern) borders of Ancient Macedonia.
Danaians (Danajtsi) > Dan-a-ians > Dan>Domain, Dan-'a' > the 'a' changes the meaning of the word to that of "a domain/place beside their (the Ancient Macedonians) own". Danaians > "Neighbours or people living beside their (the Ancient Macedonians) own domain". ('Dan' is a prefix).

Centuries later (during Roman times) the Romans may have made some references to the ancient people living in Sicily as Grecos but they referred to the region south of Olympus as Achaia. Note: According to ancient Mediterranean mythology, after Macedon, next to be born was Grecos, Zeus's second son born from his daughter Pandora. Note: 'Agrecos' translates to A(r)chaians' and are City State people who come from A(r)chaia ('land of birth'). (Note: 'Achaia' is not literally "the" land of birth of all humanity).

Consider the following 'Slavic' interpretations of 'Grecos':

1. Agrecos > 'Agre'/give birth, cos>Zeus. "(Iliy) gave birth (to) Zeus". The term 'Grecos' can also be (further) broken down and translated to the following:
2. Zregos > Z-re-gos > Z(ive)/lives, re/ra/'rajgjan'/the born, gos/zeus. "Lives the born Zeus".
3. Zregos > Z-re-gos > Z(ive)/lives, re/ra/Iliy, gos/zeus. "Lives Iliy and Zeus".
4. Gregos > In Macedonian "Gre" means to give 'warmth' (ie. radiate). Gre > radiate, gos > zeus.
"the 'radiating' 'life giving' Iliy (gave birth to) Zeus.
5. Z're'-gos, Z're' > Z(e)'le' > Z(ive)le > the 'life giving' Iliy, gos > zeus. "the 'life giving' Iliy (gave birth to) Zeus.
6. Gre(cos) & Heli(os), Gre > Zle > Z(e)le > Z(ive)le >the 'life giving' Iliy, (cos) > zeus.
"the 'life giving' Iliy (gave birth to) Zeus.
Heli > Zeli >Z(ive)li >the 'life giving' Iliy, *(os) >zeus. "the 'life giving' Iliy (gave birth to) Zeus.
The Ancient Macedonians (Europeans) were descendants of certain indigenous proto-Balkan tribes. The people of the Ancient City States were, strictly speaking, (proto-Slavic) Eur-Africans! (not that there is anything wrong with that by all means). The people of the Ancient City States disappeared in history. The descendants of the Ancient Macedonians have survived.

By ZAC I -THE FIRST (Australia)

Words

PROTO SLAVIC INFLUENCE OF THE SO CALLED "HELLENES"?

I wanted to pay attention to the so called indigenous Pelasgians-inhabitants of the later known land "Makedon". I've always been fascinated and interested in Pelasgian mythology, which today our southern neighbour views it as "Greek". As we know Makedon-isn't the 'Mother domain' of the Mycenaean  invaders/Sub Saharan-Afro Asiatic colonist who arrived around 1600BC.I would like to highlight my point in the following question "Who were the original inhabitants of the later known "city states", before the Sub-Saharan-Afro Asiatic invasion?"
Before I get to the point, I would like to make some parallels of a few words which have   evident and enormous similarity in Pelasgian mythology and the later so called "city-states" by analyzing their etymology in today's Macedonian language.

1. ATINA, ATA-which  means "Tatko"-"father" in Old-Proto Slavic. INA-which is "na, od"-"on, upon, from". We say for instance "I NA patot" "od patot"-"On the road". Therefore:  ATINA or in today's Macedonian "TATINA-(T)atina" -"Father's" or "To Father".

Another example is the god of the sea: Poseidon (Posejdon)

2. POSEIDON(POSEJDON)-Regarding this word there's an explanation of it relating to the Macedonian word "POSEJ" or "Seed, to seed". Since this explanation doesn't appeal that much in accordance to the mythology and for, who really was POSEIDON, I’ve got another explanation and etymology. POSEIDON=PO-SEI-DON, PO-"po" or "na"= in English "on" (For instance "Da se setas "po" rid,planina..itn = To walk "on" a hill, mountain.. etc). SEI-which in old Thracian(who had common ancestors with Pelasgians) means "mokar, mokro,=wet, related to wet", or it's a segment from the word "SEItuva" which refers  to "a deep spot(place) in a river", and again the relation with WATER or SEA is undeniable .This word "SEI" in fact consists a meaning of something "mokro, voda, vodno itn"="wet, water, watery ..etc". DON-As we already know this old proto-Slavic word has reference to "DOM"="DOMAIN" and is also present in the word "MAKE(DON)IJA" or simply "MAKE-DON".
Hence:  POSEIDON or "PO-SEI-DON " is  "PO-VODA(MORE)-DOM"="Domain on water, sea" or rough translation "VO MORETO DOM"="Sea domain". Furthermore this is relevant in this case as we know in ancient times it was a common practice the names to be given in accordance of their function, as Poseidon was a mythical god of the sea.

The word ODISEI (ODISEJ) can be explained in the same way.

3.ODISEI=ODI-SEI, ODI- " Da se ODI, da se patuva=To walk ,to travel"  and SEI- "mokro, voda, voden=wet, water, watery". Hence: ODISEI=ODI-SEI means "ODENJE(Patuvanje) PO VODA(mokro, MORE)="Walking(Traveling) on water(sea>wet)".  "Da se odi po voda" fully explains the meaning of the mythical ODISEI(J) who traveled on water for a long time and couldn't find his homeland Itaka(Ithaca).
If  Mario Alinei's theory is valid where he states: "I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology, namely, that of the 'arrival' of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic western and eastern branches in a differing manner and perhaps at different times. Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration for the Slavs...because none of the variant versions of such late settlement answers the question of what crucial factor could possibly have enabled the Slavs to have left their Bronze-Age firesides to become the dominant peoples of Europe."  

...Then the answer to  the question above "Who were the original inhabitants of the later known "city states", before the Sub-Saharan-Afro Asiatic invasion?" is clear .The Mycenaean invaders/Sub Saharan-Afro Asiatic colonists who arrived around 1600BC were under influence of the indigenous inhabitants on the Balkans-proto Slavs.

By Boyan Lazarov (Canada)                       

More Words…

Saturn - sad, saditi = to plant > planter, he was after all god of harvest and agriculture.
Aphrodita - obroditi = to give birth > the birth giving
Neptun - nav = sea, ton = sink > under the sea
Venus - pana (slovak) = young woman, virgin beauty
alan - hrvat - hor-vat (ved) - hr
aleman - german - ger-man - gr
filum - volim
hebrew - ebrov - evropa
hebrew - ebros - serb
Platon - Vlado
Roman - rumen
vlast - vlas - veles
strom - stroma - s tri - tri sveta
hydra - vedro
otec - Atis
kot (mačka) - Kotis
antas (Etr. orol) - ant=Slovan - Sokolot (Skit)
Ščech - Kij - Chorev
Skythes - Agathyrsos - Gelonos
Veles - Baal - Baali - Belial - Bellum
vand(rovať) - Bentis - Bendis
v(o,a) sile - Basileus
b(e)reg - Berekynthos (hora) - Berggeist
Bezla - Bestla

Hindu
Živa - Šiva
Višný - Višnu
Praboh - Brahma
Perun - Varuna - Ouranos
Indro - Indra
Svarožič - Svaracisa (Manu)
Svarog - Svarga
D(z)iv - (Deva) - Dyaus - Zeus (Deus)
Sura - Surya
bok - bhuh (pozdrav)

Hellene
Opalen - Apolon
Obrodita - Afrodita
si ispust - Sisifos
Leto - Leto
čierny - Acheron, Charon
Bog - Bagaios

Roman
Pana - Venus
Vera - Veritas
volim - Volumna
V(o)lkan - Vulcan
Bog, byk, buk - Bacchus
bradata - barbata
Saturn - sadiť

Celtic
jablan - Abellio

Iranian
zvesť - avesta
Bog - Bag, Bahman

Phoenician
odin - Adonis

Norse
odin – Odin

Posted by Slovak

What about POSEIDON = the Lord of the Sea. POSEI/D = posses DNO<>DON = bottom, place. The one who possesses the bottom.

MESOPOTAMIA = place between the two Rivers which in Assyrian is called BETH NAHARI = place between the two Rivers.

In Macedonian: MES(T)O = Place; MESO today means Meat, Flesh; could be etymologically connected with The space occupation, cause TELO = Body; POTAMIA > in Modern. Macedonian POTOK = River, Stream. So in Modern Macedonian MESOPOTAMIA would Sound MESTOPOTOKIA

By Mk

Actually mk, it would be Medzovodiamia. Meso - medz* = between; Pota - voda = water; Medzo-vodami. Potok derives from vod+tok or pot-tok (pot=path).

By Slovak

It's not 'Bodgan' it's even closer than that

Baghdad is 'Bagh Dad' (God's gift) in Macedonian it would be 'Bogh Dade'. I believe this root is Sanskrit.

By Maknews

Book Reviews

PROMOCIJA NA MONOGRAFIJATA "TOMOV"
 
      Na 17 maj 2007 godina, vo prostoriite na Domot na armijata na
Republika Makedonija (ARM), se odr`a promocija na monografijata "Tomov".
Avtor na ova dvojazi~no delo (na makedonski i na angliski jazik) e poznatiot
istra`uva~ na Makedoncite vo dijasporata, novinar i publicist Slave
Nikolovski - Katin, a deloto go izdade Knigoizdatelstvoto "Makedonska iskra"
od Skopje.
       Pred golemiot auditorium vo Domot na ARM, me|u koi bea poglavarot na
MPC arhiepiskoto Stefan, mitropolitot Kiril, porane{niot pretsedatel Kiro
Gligorov i mnogu drugi poznati li~nosti od javniot, kulturniot i politi~kiot
`ivot vo Makedonija knigata ja pretstavija recenzentot Vera
Stoj~evska-Anti}, porane{niot pretsedatel na Maticata na iselenicite od
Makedonija prof.d-r Dimitar Kerami~iev i direktorot na nacionalniot ansambl
"Tanec" m-r Bo{ko Treneski. Pritoa, izvonredniot i nezaboraven nastap na
ma{kata grupa na igraorcite na "Tanec" so drevnoto oro "Te{koto" be{e primen
od prisutnite so vozbuda i odu{evuvawe.
       Monografija "Tomov" od Slave Katin pretstavuva ogledalo za poznatiot
i priznat folklorist, etnolog, koreograf, skulptor, ili kako ~esto go
narekuvaat ambasador na makedonskata kultura, tradiciite i vistinata za
Makedonija i makedonskiot narod - \or|i (Xorx) Tomov. Ovaa zna~ajna i po
mnogu ne{ta edinstvena dvojazi~na monografija od ovoj vid pretstavuva osvrt
za likot i deloto na Xorx i za vistinata za negoviot amerikanskiot ansamblot
"Tomov" od Wujork,. Monografijata e sublimat za dvaesetgodi{niot trud na
okolu 250 Amerikanci, koi go afirmiraat makedonskiot i balkanskiot folklor,
makedonskata kultura, tradiciite  i vistinata za Makedonija vo SAD.
      Vo isto vreme monografijata "Tomov" pretstavuva ovekove~uvawe na
Folklornoto dru{tvo "Goce Del~ev" {to e vo sostam na Makedonskata
pravoslavna crkva "Sv. Kiril i Metodij" od Sider Grouv, Wu Xersi, potoa na
drugite makedonski asocijacii, na ogromen  broj li~nosti od makedonskite
kolonii, kako i na zna~ajni nastani i aktivnosti na poleto na folklorot,
kulturata i postignuvawata na nacionalen plan na Makedoncite  vo Kanada i
SAD.
     Monografijata "Tomov" od Slave Katin pretstavuva luksuzno izdanie na
320 stranici na golem format, ilustrirano so brojni fotografii od koi
najgolem del se vo boja. Vo nea se sre}avaat fotografii od vremeto koga Xorx
Tomov bil dete vo Strumica, potoa igraorec na nacionalnite  ansambli "Tanec"
od Skopje i "Lado" od Zagreb, do fotografii od mnogubrojnite nastapi na
ansamblot "Tomov" i dru{tvoto "Goce Del~ev" vo SAD, Kanada i Evropa.
      Recenzenti na ova zna~ajno delo se fakultetskiot profesor d-r Vera
Stoj~evska-Anti} i eden od postojanite ~lenovi na ansamblot "Tomov", d-r
Kristina Kalas. Knigata e objavena dvojazi~no na makedonski i na angliski
jazik vo prevod na Sowa Prus, a likovnoto i grafi~koto oblikuvawe go napravi
Toni Vasi}. Isto taka, vo timot za podgotovka na monografijata dadoa
pridones Suzana Stojkovska, Sne`ana Velkova, Fidanka Tanaskova i drugi.
      Monografijata "Tomov" od Slave Katin e podelena na pet dela. Vo delot
nasloven kako makedonsko-amerikanskoto nasledstvo, dadeni se materijali za
Makedonija od vremeto na Aleksandar Makedonski do denes i za aktivnostite na
Makedoncite vo Wujork i Wu Xersi. Potoa, vo delot za `ivotniot pat na \or|i
Tomov, pomesteni se reporta`i za rodniot grad Strumica, za Skopje i za
Wujork, a e pretstaven Xorx Tomov kako igraorec, koreograf, etnolog, vajar.
Poseben prostor e daden na materijalite so koi ansamblot "Tomov" za
nastapite e pretstaven niz stranicite na mediumite vo celiot svet,
po~nuvajki od "Wujork taims" do "Nova Makedonija".
     Vo pettiot del vo koj e dadeno pedeset godi{noto tvore{tvo se veli deka
skromniot \or|i Tomov, me|u drugoto, e dobinik na najvisokoto amerikansko
priznanie: "Elis Ajland", nagrada za {irewe na makedonskata kultura i
zbogatuvawe na amerikanskata istorija - priznanie {to go dobile amerikanski
pretsedateli, kongresmeni, glumci, pea~i, sportisti, umetnici i drugi vidni
li~nosti vo SAD, potoa nagradata "Obedineti nacii", za negoviot pridones za
zbli`uvawe na narodite, kako  i mnogu drugi zna~ajni nagradi, pofalnici i
priznanija za folklornata riznica na ansamlot "Tomov".
      So izleguvaweo na monografijata "Tomov", avtorot Slave
Nikolovski-Katin uspea da go ovekove~i poznatiot i priznat Makedonec \or|i
(Xorx) Tomov i negoviot amerikanski ansambl "Tomov" od Wujork, kako i
dru{tvoto "Goce Del~ev" od Wu Xersi. So toa Katin uspea da ottrgne od
zaboravot edna storija na del od makedonskoto iseleni{tvo vo SAD.
 
A. Donski

Poetry

ABRE BRATCHE TI EGEJSKO

Abre bratche ti egejsko
od Soluna i Vodensko,
abre bratche belomorsko,
mlado momche makedonsko,
borba teshka ni se sprema
- Makedonija da ja nema,
ne ja davam da se deli,
mojot narod da se seli!
Edna reka, a dve vojski,
jas vo edna ti vo tugja,
abre bratche kako mozham
jas vo tebe da pukam,
abre bratche ti ne znaesh
- ti si bratche Makedonche.

Ti me gledash v ochi pravo
i oruzhje repetirash,
ne mi velish nitu "Zdravo",
pukash bratche ti vo mene.
Kurshum leta kako zmija,
pokraj glava mi proagja,
da pukam mi doagja,
ama neshto ne mi dava.
Ispaluvam tri kurshumi
vo neboto makedonsko
i ja frlam mojta pushka
da ne pukam jas vo tebe.
Ti stanuvash i me gledash,
jas gi digam trite prsta,
na detstvo se prisekjavash,
na nash jazik progovarash,
mi priogjash i me gushkash
i mi velish "Ajde brate!",
mislam deka sega sfakjash
- jas i ti sme krvni brakja!
Abre bratche sega znesh,
ti si bratche Makedonche!

Lyrics to a patriotic Zabavna song

Posted by Nikolce

From the Archives

Greek Sources about Macedonia and the Macedonians

“the possession of Saloniki is not that important for the Bulgarians. The Bulgarians are people of peasants ... as Masters of Saloniki they would establish burly but intolerant Regime, which will result in to a hard situation for other Nationalities and Merchants. The Greeks on the other hand are Merchants them self, they would better understand how to improve the requirements for the International Commerce.”

“Greece lay crucial importance on the possession of Saloniki because Greece has to give up it’s hopes forever for one ‘Great Greece’ with it’s center in Constantinople. And with the break up of the Turk’s and the progress of the Slavic Element on the Aegean See, this dream of possessing Saloniki is also in danger. Greece is fully aware that what she is not able to gain now, will not be able to gain in future.”

“Saloniki is not Bulgarian nor Serbian town, and despite the fact that many Jews live there, it’s appearance and spirit remain Greek.”

“Saloniki will estimated change it’s predominant Turk – Jewish appearance. More frequently Greek is spoken than it was in the previous Years, and it seems that everybody is assiduous to learn the country’s new official Language. King Constantine told that he surveyed the submitted Plans for the embellishment of the Town, and soon they should be executed, so that the Town lose it’s Turkish Character.”

Taken from: The Macedonian Knot, Hans Lothar Steppan, page 335,336.

Posted by Mk

KOTA'S ARREST

During the last days of the officers' stay in western Macedonia, in the spring of 1904, when there was a fight between them because of their different opinions about the future of the Greek anti-Macedonian struggle and its form; the chapter about Voivode Kota or Kote's betrayal opened: This particularly controversial person, once a penitent loyal Haiduk in cooperation with the Macedonian autonomists, then a Greekophile mercenary , with his activity, traced the path of events in the region of the Koreshta in the period before and after St. Elias' Day.

There is no Greek author that has dealt with the so called Macedonian Struggle and did not dedicate several pages about the deed of the Slavophone Greek man and martyr Kota. However, small is the number of those who talk about the dark details of his arrest by the Turks.

It is known that Kote was bribed and for two and a half years was supported by the Kostur metropolitan Germanos Karavangelis who was kindly disposed towards the Turks. Since May 1902 Karavangelis considered Kota his appendix. (1) Kota provided the control over the Koreshta but kept pressuring the Metropolitan for money to support his company. (2)

The Greek Consulate in Bitola did not trust Kota but out of pure ambition was in a friendly mood. Greek interests inspired Consul Pezas to show tolerance towards Kota's collaborators and at the same time, to secretly cooperate with the Turks. (3) Ion Dragoumis considered Kota relatively good, but in the absence of an absolutely good Voivode, he considered him a springboard against the absolutely evil rebels. (4)

The last chapter from Kota's activity, the one that ended with his arrest, began in the region of Murikio, south-east of Kostur, in the Greek villages Loshnica (5) and Bogatsko. (6) There, on 15 Apri11904, the Greek officers gave Kota some money to find local mercenaries and fulfill his promise to them i.e. to liquidate Mitre Vlaot and his company.(7) Kote took over the mission on the same day when Kondulis informed the Consulate in Bitola about the disturbance of the unanimity among the Greek officers and asked to be recalled in Athens. (8)

Kota, together with the few people that had left (fifteen people had already left him under the leadership of Sfejko ) (9) and the three Cretans (Kaudis, Dikonimos and Perakis) were led to Lehovo by Hristos Argirakis. (10) From there they went to the neighboring village Srebreno and took Vangelis' people with them but without Vangelis because he had gone to Bitola. Then, all of them together, around 25, going from east to north through the hillsides of the mountain Vich near the village Belkameni, Neret, passed the region of Koreshta and spent the night above the villages Oshtima and Trnovo. (11)

At the beginning of May Kota's gang entered the Macedonian village Trnovo (12) and beat the Exarchate teacher to death. (13) Mitre Vlaot, who was a leader of a revolutionary Macedonian company with forty armed people, sent a message to Kota inviting him to meet alone, for the hell of it. (14) It was not difficult for the meeting to take place, since the two men were old friends and blood brothers. The Macedonian village Oshtima was set as the place of the meeting. Kote left his company, which did not know about the event, outside the village and entered the village alone one night in May, apparently to gather information about Vlaot. With him, he only took his stepson Simo Stojan and went to the house where the meeting was supposed to take place. (15) Kote and Mitre Vlaot talked for hours. He invited Kote to stop his anti-Macedonian activity and return to rebels' ranks. He promised to make him a Voivode in Prespa. Kota asked for and received a time limit until September to answer. (16) He came back (with Simo) to his company and faced the anger of Kaudis because he was a few hours late. But Kota kept his meeting with Vlaot a secret.

The following evening, they stayed in the Macedonian village Rulja, Kote's birthplace. Perakis and Macris openly accused Kota for not keeping his promise given to the Greek officers, that he would pursue Vlaot. Despite his excuses and playing up to them he did not manage to change their opinion. But he succeeded in changing the opinion of one of the Cretans, Timios Kaudis, who stood on Kota's side and confronted his fellow countrymen. Eventually, Perakis and Macris went away angry and took Vangelis' collaborators with them. On the same night they went to Zelevo, where they found Pavlo Kiru and told him about the event. The latter, with a guide, left Koreshta and, through Belkameni, arrived in the monastery in Chirilovo, east of Kostur. (17)

Vangelis' bandits, on their way back to their hiding place, found out about the bad news i.e. about their leader's death. Their leader Vangelis Strebreniotis, Karavangelis' mercenary and leader of the Turkish persecution units, on his way back from Bitola where he went in order to release (with the help of the Vali) Sterjos Voliotis, fell into the ambush of the Macedonian rebels of Aleksa Turundzev (18) near the village Ljubetino. (19) There, on 13 May, Vangelis and Sterios were killed. (20)

Kota's fighters Simos Stojan, Dimitris Dalipis, Vasilis Tsiles and Kaudis stayed with him in Rulja. One day, in the end of May, the son of Dalipis, a small child, arrived in the Koreshta from Kostur and secretly (21) gave his mother a life and death message from the Kostur Metropolitan. She went to her husband and had a secret conversation with him and Simo. (22) In the following days Simos and Dalipis indirectly told Kaudis to leave as soon as he could because there was a danger that he might be killed by Cile. Kaudis escaped to Gabresh and from there, Dalipis' brother took him to the monastery St. Nikola near Sliveni. (23)

In Rulja, Simos and Dalipis informed Kota about their decision to temporarily go to Athens. Kota took their weapons and they left dressed in peasant clothes. They met Kaudis and together with him arrived in the village Kostaraca (24) where they found Perakis and Dikonimos. There, the latter heard from Simos for the first time everything that was said at the meeting between Mitre Vlaot and Kota. (25)

On 27 May, the Greek Consul in Bitola received an enigmatic, almost inexplicable letter from Karavangelis about Kota. Following the directive from the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Kaliergis asked the Metropolitan to give money to Kota through his agents, from the account of the Greek government. The Metropolitan responded that he already gave Kota enough money during the previous two and a half years, that Kota in those days lived disappointed and that he did not work and the Metropolitan thought that he should exchange Kota with Simo and that finally, maybe, he should go down.(26)

Kalergis gathered information in order to explain Karavangelis’ upheaval against Kota. Cakalis, the banker from Kostur, informed him that the Metropolitan pours anger against Kola because the latter was in negotiations with Koletis. (27)

Koletis used to be a Deputy Administrator in the Kostur area and like Karavangelis, he was a bureaucrat in the Ottoman government. The Metropolitan found out about the cooperation between Kota and Koletas and was convinced that his relations with the Greek Government would be betrayed, (28) similar to the previous events connected with the dispatching of the unit with the Greek officers. In order to prove his loyalty to the High Gate and to justify the three Turkish medals which he had gained in two years of his anti-Macedonian activity, he decided to give Kota up. So, Karavangelis announced to the Turks that he had information about Kota's hiding place and offered to give them, according to him, a confidential person who would take them to arrest him.

In the dawn on 9 June 1904 Kote stayed at his home in Rulja. Vasilis Tsilis (the only one left from his old friends) and two more people were with him in the house, Kostas Milovesis, who was hiding from the court after the murder in Korcha and Lazaros Kizas from Psoderi. The Turkish detachment for prosecutions, sent by Karavangelis, arrived from Kostur and caught them in their sleep. The leader of the detachment was the friend and fellow soldier of Kota, Pavlos Kiru from Zelevo! (29)

Kota was transferred in the prisons in Kostur, then Korcha and Bitola. (30) Karavangelis suggested him to release him from prison if, in return, he put himself in service of the Turks as a guide to the Turkish detachments for persecution. (31) Kota did not agree and eventually he was hanged on 27 September 1905.

There, this was the true history about Kota's arrest which, since then, Greek historians have been trying to hide. The bandits Macedonomachs (fighters for Macedonia) Simos, Dalipis and Kiru, under the leadership of the Kostur metropolitan delivered their friend to the Turks.

NOTES:

(1) Karavangelis' letter to the Greek Prime Minister, Consulate in Bitola, 4.5.1902.

(2) Karavangelis' letter to the Greek Prime Minister, Consulate in Salonika. 8.11.1902, document 685.

(3) Consulate in Bitola, 2.4.1902, document 167.

(4) Report of Ion Dragumis to the Consul K. Kipreos. Consulate: in Bitola, 4.9.1903, document 643.

(5) Loshnica. A Greek Christian village in the area of Kostur. According to Kljnchov the village had 600 inhabitants and according to Brancoff, 400. In 1913, 903 people were registered; in 1920, 201 families with 960 people, in 1928, 1024 people and in 1951, 1032 people. In 1928 the village was renamed Germas.

(6) Bogatsko or Vogaciko. A Greek Christian village in the area of Kostur. According to Kljanchov the village had 1750 inhabitants and according to Brancoff, 2250. In 1913, 2693 people were registered, in 1920, 389 families with 1701 people, in 1928, 1601 people and in 1951, 1842 people. The Greek administration renamed it Vogacikon.

(7) A note from Tasos (Papulas) to the Consul in Bitola. Consulate in Bitola, 26.4.1904, document 453.

(8) A note from Skurtis (Kondulis) to D. Kalergis and Ion Dragumis.Conulate in Bitola, 25.4.1904, document 453.

(9) Later letter of Klaudis (22 June 1930) which addressed the events. Main State Archive, Archive of Tsontos-Vardas, file 6.

(10) Papastamatis, p. 38.

(11) Macris, p. 87-88.

(12) Trnovo or Trnova or Trnaa. An Exarchate Macedonian village in the area of Kostur.

According to Kljnchov the village had 395 inhabitants and according to Brancoff, 544. The village passed in the Exarchate in 1903 [Church truth] and stayed the whole time during the anti-Macedonan Struggle [document 4278]. In 1913, 505 people were registered; Milojevic wrote about 80 Macedonian Christian families. In 1920, 324 people were registered. In 1945; the village had 396 Macedonian-speakers out of whom 160were considered with having a non-Greek national consciousness, 70 with a Greek one and 166 with a fluid one [Statistics, 1945]. In 1951, I28 people were registered. In 1958 the village was renamed Prasinon.

(13) Letter from D. Kalgeris to the Greek Minister for Foreign Affairs. Consulate in Bitola, 12.5.1904, document 514.

(14) Karavitis volume 1, p.19-20.

(15) Macris, p. 87-88.

(16) Karavits volume 1, p. 19-20.

(17) Macris, p. 87-88.

(18) N.G. Koetsopulos: Captain Kotas, Athens 1968, p. 134-135.

(19) Ljubetino or Ljubetine. A Christian village in the area of Lerin. According to Kljnchov the village had 355 inhabitants, out of whom 325 were Macedonians and 30 were Gypsies. According to Brancoff the village had 280 inhabitants, out of whom 240 were Macedonian Exarchates and 60 were Gypsies. In 1913, 277 people were registered. Milojevic registered 20 Macedonian Christian families. In 1928, 308 people were registered. In 1932, 55 Macedonian-speaking families were registered out of which 31 were considered with having a distinct Slavic belief [Statistics 1932]. In 1945, the village had 316 Macedonian-speakers out of whom 250 were considered with having a non-Greek national consciousness, 50 with a Greek one and 66 with a fluid one [Statistics, 1945].

In 1951, 264 people were registered. In 1926 the village was renamed Podinon.

(20) Archive Tsontos-Vardas, file 6.

(21) Modis: p, 176-177.

(22) Koemtsopulos: p, 134-135.

(23) Archive of Tsontos-Vardas, file 6.

(24) Kostaraca or Kosturaca or Kosturac or Koshtetjak. A Greek Christian village in the area of Kostur. According to Kljnchov the village had 750 inhabital1ts, out of whom 150 were considered Macedonian Christians. According to Brancoff the village had 650 Greek Christians. In 1913, 941 people were registered, in 1920, 189 families with 796 people, in 1928, 798 people and in 1951, 941 people. The Greek administration named the villageKostarazion.

(25) Macris, p. 87-88.

(26) Karavangelis' letter (27, 5, 1904) and report from D, Kalergis to the Greek Prime Minister. Consulate in Bitola, 28.6.1904, document 647.

(27) Consulate in Bitola, 28.6.1904, document 647.

(28) D. Kelrgis' letter to the Prime Minister. Consulate in Bitola, 17.7.1904, document 713.

(29) Alexandros Kondulis: The biography of Voivode Kota, Lerin 1931, p. 42-43.

(30) Consulate in Bitola, 17.7.1904, document 713.

(31) Alexandros Kondulis, as above, p. 42-43

Source: Lithoxou, Dimitris, “The Greek Anti-Macedonian Struggle I (1903-1905”, P. 54-60.

Posted by Risto Stefov

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HI, Risto,

All these Greek arguments are dead. The main issue today is: to free, liberate Macedonians and the world of 200 years FRANKO-Anglo-American Hellenistic propaganda.

Martin Bernal; 200 years of fabrication modern Greece or building the Hellenistic model that is to bury the Macedonian Hebraic and Latin(catholic) civilization. 1785-1985

If Macedonians feel oneness in their hearts, Macedonia is united. The boundaries are meaningless.

We have to tell the world the truth; that we do exist.

Cheers, Manoli.

From: Greg

I am a Greek, living in Athens. I regularly read your articles and visit the Vinozito website. I belong to a tiny minority of Greeks who understand that they are not ancient Greeks. The biggest mistake that Macedonians make is to claim ancestry from ancient Macedonians. It is destructive. Americans and Europeans know that the Balkans were and are a melting pot. They will view Macedonians and Greeks as two mixed people quarreling about descendancy from King Alexander. My advice is to propagandize to USA and EU the obvious truth: Modern Greeks have as much descendancy from Ancient Greeks as a mule has from an elk. Thus you can blast “Pan Macedonian", AHEPA and the Greekized Albanian Billirakis, the Albanian Billiri who went to Crete and got the classic Cretian ending -akis in his surname. Most Greeks are Albanians mixed with Turks for 400 years. You will have success, but do not mess with that homosexual, paedophile and mass murderer Alexander. He was a Hitler of ancient times. Let the Turkish Greekized Albanians be the fools like Dukakis, Tsongas, Denetopoulos (Tenet) who are all Greekised Albanians and who comprise at least 60% of modern Greeks.

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From: thanos lagakis lagakis9@hotmail.co.uk

Subject: ARGUMENT-COMPLAINT

HI

I READ SOME OF YOUR ARTICLES ABOUT YOUR CLAIMS OF MACEDONIA.
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE READ A LOT OF BOOKS AND YOU MADE A GOOD ARGUMENT. YOU ACCUSE GREEKS OF ''STEALING OTHERS HISTORY'' AND CULTURE AND YOU PRESENT US AS THE AGGRESSORS.
AS FAR AS I KNOW WE NEVER CLAIMED THAT SCOPIA AND YUGOSLAVS SHOULD BE CALLED GREEKS BECAUSE SCOPIA 2500 YEARS AGO WAS JUST A PROVINCE OF MACEDONIA.
I AM SORRY BUT WE NEVER KNEW YOU WERE THERE. I TOTALY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION OF YOUR COUNTRY AND I FEEL YOUR NEED OF KNOWING THAT YOU BELONG SOMEWHERE AND THAT YOU ARE PART OF HISTORY BUT THAT DRIVES YOU TO DO WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING US FOR.YOU ARE BECOMING THE AGGRESSORS AND WE ARE JUST DEFENDING WHAT WE KNOW AND MOST OF ALL ''FEEL'' IS OURS.
FINALLY I THINK YOU DONT KNOW GREEKS AND THAT LACK OF EXPERIENCE DRIVE YOU TO FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN THEREFORE DEFFENDING AGAINT IT FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON. WE ARE OPEN PEOPLE WE ALWAYS SUPPORT THE WEAK AND THOSE IN NEED, AND IN CASE SOMETHING SERIOUS HAPPENS E.G WAR WE WILL SUPPORT OUR NEIGBOURS  BUT  NOT WHEN THEY ARE ATTACKING US AND OUR CULTURE.
WHAT YOU DO IS PURE AND CLEAR PROPAGANDA AND SHOULD FIND BETTER WAYS OF HELPING YOUR PEOPLE.  THIS IS POINTLESS AND PEOPLE KNOW..

YOURS
and open to argument and knowledge
ATHANASIOS LAGAKIS
a Greek student from London

From: Lisa <dopey78@iprimus.com.au>

Subject: makethonia

Your "matchedonia" is only 16 years old it has only 16 years of history insteed of "claiming" Alexander the Great because you have nothing to be proud of just look in the mirror and face reality for once why is "the former yugoslav republic of makethonia" desperate to convince every one who they are? I had a Slavic Macedonian boss at work called "Steve" when I seen one of his licences it read "Slavko" not Steve i asked him "are you Slavic" he said no! I am insulted. Mmmm....Slavko, Slavic say no more. This is your "history" you Slav Macedonians, you are moutain dwelling gypsys with no identitys so you try steal other peoples don’t get mad I am only being real.

Okay, you want to expand your deluded dreams and claim Thessaloniki too? I will say to you what very Greek has said to there adviserys through out history "come and get her" I am Greek I have something to be proud of I sympathize with you because you have nothing. Hey type Macedonia into google, see how much content is your Macedonia. Does it make you sad none of it is? I am not your enemy but when I am attacked I fight back just like every Greek has throughout history.

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Humour

HOW HISTORY WAS WRITTEN

Here comes Johnny, riding a horse with oculars on his nose, with a case full of history books written by the likes of Theodore Droysen and other German romanticists from the 19^th century.
Johnny is an Englishman. He believes identity is based on nationality. He is British by blood and his king and queen are also British by blood, Anglo-Saxons. He was sent here by his government to do a job, to estimate the situation for the Empire's benefit.
He rides through the Balkans, Macedonia in particular of which he knows nothing but the stupidities he learned from his beloved 19^th century western historians. He believes the stories he read about the five-thousand year old history of the region and is “obsessed” with what he learned about the Greeks and Romans. While knowing nothing about the Middle Ages and modern times, he envisions Attica with the descendants of Plato and Arian still living there.

Knowing nothing about Macedonia he only sees Greeks and Bulgarians but no Macedonians. Johnny “know-it-all” is too proud to ask “who are you people?” so he continues to make assumptions while writing in his diary.

While in Macedonia, he only sees Bulgarians and Greeks but no Macedonians to him they were Bulgarians and Greeks by blood as well because that’s all he knows.
He hasn’t got the slighest idea of the RELIGIOUS complexities and the role of the foreign churches in Macedonia so again he makes assumptions. While ethnic Macedonians lived in Macedonia for 2,000 years, all Johnny could see is Bulgarians and Greeks because Macedonians went to Bulgarian or Greek Orthodox Churches. Did Johnny ever bother to ask anyone “what is your ethnicity?” NO! Johnny know-it-all naturally assumed if people went to a Bulgarian Church, they MUST be Bulgarians or if they went to a Greek Church, naturally they MUST be Greek.

Oh Johnny, Johnny if only you opened you mind you could clearly see a more complex world before you.

cheerz,

Magedon

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