The Macedonian Digest

“From the readers for the readers”

Edition 29 – May 2008

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Editor’s Notes

Some humble musings on the Bulgarian connection...

      I’m always disturbed when I hear people argue that today’s Macedonians are in fact Bulgarians. This is a common argument by Bulgarians and Greeks. But, of course, to the Serbs the Macedonians are Serbs. This post will explore this alleged “Bulgarian” connection.
      First, genetics clearly establishes that today’s Macedonians have always been in the Eastern Mediterranean, in the Balkan Peninsula. In comparing today’s Macedonians with Bulgarians, a few facts are evident:
(1) In R1b haplogroup, Macedonians have 5.1%; Bulgarians have a 17.0%.
(2) In R1a haplogroup, Macedonians have 15% and Bulgarians have 15%.
(3) In E3b1, Macedonians have 24.1%; Bulgarians have 20.7%.

      Since the Macedonians are genetically not the same as Bulgarians, they can not possibly be the same people.
      Second, since today’s Macedonians are one of the oldest peoples in the Balkans, they must have identified either as (1) Greeks; (2) Macedonians; (3) Illyrians; or (4) Thracians.
      Now it is evident that today’s Macedonians, though genetically similar to Greeks, are not Greeks. This leaves three possibilities: Macedonian, Illyrian, or Thracian. Of these three, the ancient Illyrian land was outside of today’s Macedonian land and it stands to reason that people to the north have a stronger connection to Illyria than today’s Macedonians.
      Of the two left, Macedonia and Thrace: since modern day Macedonians pre-date modern day Bulgarians in the Balkans, and since Bulgarians procured their Slavic language from the people who existed in the Balkans before them, and since the Bulgarians mixed with the Thracians, it stands to reason that only one is left: Macedonians
      Third, logic dictates that if the Macedonians have their roots in the Eastern Mediterranean as old as anyone, if not older, that they must have self-identified as something. It is absurd to suggest otherwise.
      Fourth, is it logical to reason that today’s Macedonians, who have lived in the Balkans virtually from the beginning, had no national awareness of being Macedonian until the 19th century? They must have considered themselves to be something: Not Greek, Not Illyrian, and Not Thracian but Macedonian.
      Fifth, if language is indicative of ethnicity, and Macedonians are Bulgarians because of the similar tongue, should we argue that all Middle Easterners are the same ethnicity because they speak the same tongue?
      Sixth, how can Macedonians be Bulgarians if today’s Macedonians lived in the Balkans centuries before the Bulgarians arrived in the Balkans?
      Seventh, if today's Macedonians are Thracians or Illyrians, why have they not self-identified as such? Why have they denitrified as "Macedonian" through the ages?

Jus Divinum

Feature Stories

BULGARIA AGAIN URGED TO REVIEW ITS POLICY REGARDING OMO ILINDEN PIRIN

 http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/Records/2008/E/0804151500E.htm

      On Tuesday 15 April 2008 in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Mr Lambert of Belgium put the following question to Mr. Thomas Hammarberg, Commissioner for Human Rights:

      "I would like to raise the issue of the political party OMO "Ilinden" PIRIN in Bulgaria. As members should be aware, that political party was deregistered by the Constitutional Court of Bulgaria in 2000, thus making it impossible for it to stand for election. In 2005 the European Court of Human Rights found that that was a violation of Article 11 of the Convention. Following that judgment, the political party tried to re-register twice in vain. To my knowledge, Bulgaria did not fully execute the Court decision and the party remains unregistered. I know that your office has been engaged on this issue. Will you inform us about the situation and the expectations of Bulgaria to respect the re-registration of the party? Do you think that that might happen during 2008?"

Commissioner Hammarberg responded with the following:

      "Some weeks ago, I raised the issue in Sofia with the foreign minister. I see this as a question of loyalty to and proper execution of Court decisions. There have been a couple of clear decisions on the matter. I hope that the Bulgarian authorities will review the situation and move in the direction that the Committee of Ministers and I have recommended."

Op ed: Greece is saying what?

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/548/49/1/1/

Tuesday, 01 April 2008

      I am English. And my former Prime Minister (Tony Blair) speaks French. Does that make him French? Americans speak English, but are they English?
      So Alexander spoke ancient Greek, because he was educated in ancient Greece, by Greeks. Does that make him Greek?
      His father, Phillip II, invaded and conquered ancient Greece. You see, at the time Greece was a series of city states while Macedonia was a kingdom. So to say now that Macedonia was and is a part of Greece suggests that Western Russia was/is NAZI and that Hitler was from Minsk!
      So we can disprove Greek claims to Alexander and Macedonian heritage by using simple logic rather than opinioned historic claim.
      51% of "Macedonia" is in Greece. During the Bucharest meetings in the early 1900's The Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians and to a lesser extent the Albanians suggested that they spoke for the Macedonian people (who all had Macedonians fighting for independence under their flags). None kept their word and divided Macedonia up amongst themselves. Only Serbia honoured its pact with the Macedonians in the slightest, granting national status.

Then world war one happened.

      History covers the times from 1814 through to 1945 very well. Tito, the new leader of Yugoslavia, granted Macedonia the national status promised in Bucharest, none of the others did.
      So now we come to the recent past. Tito died, and almost immediately Greece changed the name of its northern territories to Macedonia (in whatever form you chose to use). Macedonia eventually gained independence from Yugoslavia and began its first infant steps towards freedom and democracy.
      Now Greece, who never questioned Yugoslav Macedonia, suddenly gets all defensive! Why? Over a name? Have Greeks never heard the expression "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me"?
      Macedonians have the fundamental human right of a name. They should be encouraged to call themselves whatever they wish. There are many incidents of two nations having regions and cities of the same name. Washington, Alexandria, to name but two.
      NATO invitations should be based on military/political/economic standards alone, and not influenced by petty name issues.
      Macedonia in NATO would be good for regional stability, period. Greece has territorial disputes with Turkey, yet both are already members. So there has been a precedence set.
      The world needs to realize that Greece is using its superior marketing budget to inflict the kind of totalitarian authority over another sovereign state The Republic of Macedonia that many in the west fought and died to remove. Perhaps the argument shouldn't be what Macedonia changes its name to, but rather Greece using its correct name of Former Macedonian Republic of Greece or FMROG.
      The Republic of Macedonia MUST be supported and defended against the overt and covert political actions of its neighbour.

Mark Farren

Not another BIG Greek Lie?

The world according to Vicky Karagouni

      THEY HAVE A NAME!!!!!!!!!! FOR THOSE THAT SEEK A NAME FOR "MACEDONIA". THE NAME OF THE AREA BEFORE WORLD WAR II WAS VARDARSKA. THE NAME MACEDONIA WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY THEIR CRYPTO JEWISH LEADER JOSEF BROSTEIN (OR THE LEADER KNOWN AS TITO).
A FEW NOTES FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW.
1. ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND HIS TEACHER ARISTOTLE SPOKE HELLENIC. NOT ANY SLAVIC LANGUAGE.
2. THE MACEDONIAN CAPITAL WAS PELLA. NOT SKOPJE.
3. ALEXANDER'S SISTER WAS CALLED THESSALONIKI. NOT SOLUN LIKE THE SLAV(E)S CALL IT.
4. VOUKEFALAS WAS ALEXANDER'S HORSE. NOT A ZASTAVA.
      SO, VARDARSKA IT IS AND STOP PLAYING WITH THE REAL MACEDONIANS. WE'VE HAD ENOUGH WITH THIS JOKE. SPREAD THIS MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Thanks for your true GREEK STYLE PROPAGANDA, Vicky Karagouni…

Now for the facts –

      After 500 years of Ottoman rule, Macedonia reached it’s “quasi independent state” through the intervention of a number of “other” European countries, including, England, France & Germany. The consequence of gaining the “assistance” from these European nations to drive the Ottoman Empire out meant that Macedonia was to forego its “true independence”. What did that mean for Macedonia? Well. It would now be subjected to a realignment; a part of Macedonia would be subdivided and handed over to Greece and this region would be known as “EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA” named after the Aegean Sea that this part of Macedonia bordered; a part of Macedonia would be handed over to Bulgaria and this region would be known as “PIRINSKA MAKEDONIJA” named after Pirin Mountain that is in this part of Macedonia; FINALLY, the last part of Macedonia would be handed over to Serbia and this part would be known as VARDARSKA MAKEDONIJA named after Vardar River that flows through this region.

      It would be nice if the map below was expanded to show all of Macedonia. But in true “Greek Style” they expose only part of the story.

      So, yes VARDARSKA is the equivalent of calling a region of Victoria (Australia) “The Yarra Valley” or whatever the equivalent would be in Germany.

      Interestingly, of the three countries that took control of Macedonia, no other, apart from GREECE imposed CULTURAL GENOCIDE on the original Macedonian inhabitants of that region. The cultural genocide included changing the identity; first names & surnames, birth dates, birth places, forcing a new HELLenic language upon the Macedonian people and inflicting TORTURE and DEATH if any of this wasn’t adhered to. The Greeks wiped off whole villages.

      After extensive research we have just discovered that my married name isn’t SARTINAS, it’s TODOROV. My husband’s grandfather was incarcerated for seven years for so called alleged guerilla acts against the Greeks back in the early 1940’s. This man lived in the same village that his family had inhabited for generations prior, Kadinovo in Egejska Makedonija, otherwise re-labeled by the Greeks as Galatades. Yes this village is in the region of Egejska Makedonija in the wider municipality of PELLA. Interestingly, when I visited this region in 1999, the inhabitants still spoke MACEDONIAN, the true SLAVIC language, behind closed doors out of fear of incarceration and torture and this was still happening in 1999. I have this all recorded on video, along with the horror stories of the torture their families had been subjected to.

      So, VARDARSKA MAKEDONIJA just so happens to be just one of the three regions of Macedonia and the people from this region have no fear in speaking up about the history of Macedonia. If only the same could be said about the people from EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA who are still infiltrated with fear about speaking of the truth of the cultural genocide inflicted upon them by the Greeks even as we speak today.

      VICKY KARAGOUNI - IGNORANCE BREEDS PREJUDICE…! It also breeds the monsters that fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge!!!

From the International Scene

Dear Risto,

      I was surprised, astonished and angry after the NATO Bucharest summit. It is a shame, terrible shame for all those democratic, progressive and civilized countries which played that dirty game with the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA. For me and all of us here in Upper Silesia, Macedonia is THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA.

      I only hope that what happened in Bucharest will not weaken your aspirations, but on the contrary, will strengthen all Macedonians and Macedonian Diaspora worldwide in your actions. Any time you may need our support to your actions please always contact me. And if I only may suggest something - please do not concentrate on insulting the Greeks, as this will not bring you supporters. Please just make your right and just claims be heard. You have a natural right to be called Macedonians and your country the Republic of Macedonia. Nothing else matters!

With my support,

Bart

Issues

      I sent this Op-ed piece to major newspapers, but so far nobody has responded positive. I sent it to NY times, Washington Times, Washington post, Wall street journal, international herald tribune, daily times, guardian, and telegraph.

      You have my permission to take this letter, modify it as you see fit and send it to your local newspaper under your name. Just do not send it to the above mentioned newspapers.

      These are the types of pressures that we can all apply to help Macedonia in these challenging times.  Enough bickering.

Macedonia deserves NATO invitation, despite blackmail

      The NATO Summit in April is fast approaching and preparations to be a successful one are widely underway. The main agenda item for this conference is the enlargement process which should see Macedonia, Croatia and Albania join the Alliance. While almost all NATO members support these new additions, Greece does everything it can to obstruct the process. The Greek prime minister has on more than one occasion threatened to veto Macedonia’s invitation unless Macedonia agrees to change its constitutional name despite the fact that Macedonia meets all the necessary NATO requirements. NATO seems to support Greece's view, yet it has no problem accepting the Macedonian soldiers in NATO missions that bear their country name on their uniforms.

      Greece needs to check if they have enough chips to sustain this bluff, because a veto will bring serious implications. For one, it is illegal. The United Nations Interim Accord that Greece and Macedonia signed in 1995 contains Article 11 which states that Greece will not block Macedonia’s membership in any international organizations (e.g., NATO, EU). This was an agreement that was bargained between the two countries. Macedonia gave up its flag, modified its constitution and accepted a provisional name. Greece agreed not to block Macedonia’s membership in international organizations (i.e., U.N. at the time) and removed the unilateral oil and trade embargo.

      What is pushing Greece to not honor this agreement and blackmail Macedonia to settle for a new name? Well, this issue is not really about neither a name nor meeting NATO requirements, but rather about identity and the denial of existence to the sizable Macedonian minority in Greece. As recently as last month, the Greek Foreign minister in Washington stated that Macedonians do not exists in Greece, yet numerous Human Rights Watch and U.S. State Department reports prove the opposite. As attack is the best defense, Greece quickly learned in 1991 that as long as the world is focused on the "name dispute", the human rights abuses will not be addressed. During these long 17 years, Greece has created hysteria that the “The monster from the north” will steal the Hellenic history, its glory and may actually invade. Voters, patriotically charged, are always willing to support the government that is fighting the enemy, regardless of how invisible the enemy might be.

      Macedonia is not stealing anybody’s history. In fact, during last month’s name negotiations between the two countries, Macedonia suggested that a joint commission by both countries be created to research historical claims. The historians, scientists, and now DNA can tell us who are the real descendants from Alexander the Great, not political negotiations. Let us focus on the real issue, Macedonia in NATO, stability for the Balkan region.

      Sure, as a NATO member Greece has the right to veto, but that action will deem the Accord invalid and might backfire. Macedonia can say enough is enough and reject its provisional name and submit application in the United Nations to be accepted under its constitutional name Republic of Macedonia. To make a stronger point, Macedonia could reinstitute its traditional 16 sun ray flag that it was forced to give up when the Accord was signed. These undesired events will drastically shake up the Balkan region, particularly with the Kosovo independence up in the air.

      The NATO, EU and the US administration are trying hard to broker a solution prior to next month’s summit. However, Macedonia is no longer afraid about its future and can not accept self-destructing proposals such as the one two weeks ago that prohibited the use of the adjective Macedonian in any sense. So the language can not be Macedonian, the people can not be Macedonians, the Macedonian wine, oh the wine... In 1995 when the Interim Accord was signed, Macedonia feared for its sovereignty because of the Balkan bloodshed all around so it had had to concede. Today, over 120 countries including USA, Canada, Russia, and China recognize Macedonia under its constitutional name. Greece and the rest of the world needs to respect the unalienable right to self-identification as enshrined by the United Nations charter and allow Macedonia to be called by its name. Macedonians and its wine simply do not have any other name to be called.

Aleksandar Mitreski
Vice President
United Macedonian Diaspora
www.umdiaspora.org

Opinions

IMPOSTER JAAP DE HOOP SCHEFFER: NATO SECRETARY GENERAL!
 
      Speaking after recent talks in (artificial) Athens, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer implied that "the onus to compromise rested with Skopje"!!! (What are you talking about you goose? Tell me, what have the artificially Ellinized non-'Greeks' given up? "NOTHING"!!!)
      Scheffer pointed out that "Greece's stance carried weight on the issue". "I think we have to realize that Greece is a staunch member of NATO, and aspiring members are not. This is a basic difference", he said. (Keep thinking you dork! The 19th century cold blooded Great Western Powers artificially and intentionally created the anti-Slav - anti-Russian - anti-Macedonian  - "Southern Balkan (Mediterranean) Buffer State" from 1831 AD! It is NOT GREECE!!! Read the Macedonian Digest! "Greece" is a proto-Slavic term! As is Macedonia! Also, why don't you tell us how and why this forged state was allowed to become a member of NATO in the first place!? Answer that! If you are fair, they should be made to re-apply! You know what, they wouldn't even qualify! The Republic of Macedonia on the other hand has fulfilled all that was required from it! There are double standards at play here my friend!)
      Scheffer said he was "left in no doubt that Greece would, if necessary, use its veto at next months NATO summit in Bucharest to prevent Macedonia joining the bloc".
(Hmmm... "Greece"... Please! My friend, are you the Secretary General of NATO or what? How much are they paying you? Do you not have any power to ensure that this irrational scenario does not occur?) Sche-ffer > Zhe-ver! = "faith/belief in Zeus".
It appears that the head of NATO also has a Slavic name! What a joke!
 
BY Atanas 

THE MONSTER THAT IS NATO
 
       Put simply, Europe doesn't like the Orthodox Christian -Slav Russians. (France and Germany have both tried to conquer Russia on separate occasions, but Russia ended up defeating both of them!) Like Russia, Serbia and Macedonia too are Orthodox Christian -Slav nations! Get the drift?! 
      In 2004 Serbia and Macedonia were effectively "blocked" from their natural ally Russia when NATO "strategically" (cunningly) expanded by admitting a "wall of nations", seven new members in all!
      Montenegro recently split from Serbia, and Serbia is now "land-locked". The Republic of Macedonia too is "land-locked". (Hmmm!!!) 
      NATO has created the "phony" state of Kosovo which is on Serbian territory! 
*In fact the west has been creating anti-Russian/anti-Orthodox Christian -Slav buffer states since 1829! These also include:
The Southern Balkan (Mediterranean) Republic > "Artificial Greece".
The Eastern Balkan (Black Sea) Republic > "Artificial Bulgaria".
The Southern Balkan (Adriatic) Republic > "Artificial Albania". (Note: There is a Roman map from 117 AD, during the time of Emperor Trajan, which shows Albania being in central Asia!!!)
Bosnia-Herzegovina.
      NATO, not surprisingly, has admitted two more non-Orthodox Christian -Slav states, "Artificial Albania" and Croatia.
      NATO (speaking for "Artificial Greece") barred the Republic of Macedonia from joining its ranks, saying "until it settles the name dispute with Greece"! Reply: It is not Greece! The "Southern Balkan (Mediterranean) Republic" is an anti Orthodox Christian -"Slav"/Russian buffer state! In 1913 it was given the nod by the Western Powers of the time to illegally seize 51% of the Ottoman occupied Macedonian nation!
      Artificial Greece has broken the 1995 Interim Agreement with the Republic of Macedonia. An Agreement which the Republic of Macedonia was "forced to sign in the first place under duress"!!! Excuse me, but the Republic of Macedonia, at least, should have been admitted into NATO under the reference FYROM!
      It is time for the Republic of Macedonia to look after its own interests! (Since the outset it was always obvious that Artificial Greece was going to de-rail Macedonia at every opportunity. We should not be talking to them or listening to what they have to say. Don't believe them! Don't trust them!) The Republic of Macedonia must now take the appropriate counter measures it said it would if Artificial Greece vetoed its accession to NATO!
Furthermore, the Republic of Macedonia should:
-Recognize and establish ties with the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
-"Not Recognize" the 'phony state' of Kosovo. (The terrorists in Kosovo must, but don't, respect the 2001 UN recognized border agreement between Belgrade and Skopje).
If the US-Macedonia Military Pact turns out to be some "Mickey Mouse Agreement" which doesn't go far enough to protect our borders the Republic of Macedonia, along with Serbia, must turn to Russia and China!!! (Russians could even be descendants of Ancient Macedonians themselves! Although the Russians abandoned us in Berlin in 1878, the chess game is different now!)
      Unless the EU racists recognize the Republic of Macedonia under its constitutional name RIGHT NOW, Macedonia should DITCH the EU! Why continue with the "bullshit EU reforms" when it is obvious that Artificial Greece will Veto our accession anyway! It is pointless! Macedonia can establish other trade links. They can turn to China, India, Russia, etc, etc. There are plenty of other options.  (The racist EU should look at the appalling records of their own member states!)
      Now that Artificial Albania is going to be a NATO member they should not bother with the Republic of Macedonia and should try to catch the bigger fish. They should be pushing for the recognition of the Albanians in Artificial Greece! (Chemeria!) Imagine how many there must be!!!
      On a final note, who can blame the Russians from pointing their nukes at these NATO rogue states?!  
 
BY ZAC I -THE FIRST

IMPOSTOR NIMETZ
 
      The Republic of Macedonia was economically strangled, unlawfully, by artificial Greece and was forced to sign the 1995 Interim Accord with the latter.
      The Republic of Macedonia altered its flag and amended its constitution and artificial Greece lifted their illegal economic embargo.
      Artificial Greece's so-called problem with Macedonia's name, also, was to be settled through UN sponsored mediation.
      The Republic of Macedonia has the score on the board with more than 120 countries recognizing it by its constitutional name, including 4/5ths of the UN's permanent members! (except the French Pigs)
      With respect to the above, Mr. Nimetz should be coming up with prefixes and suffixes for the artificial ("non"-) 'Greek' occupied part of Macedonia instead!!! (E.g.; "Fake", "New", "Occupied", "Annexed", etc, etc!).
      Artificial Greece broke the 1995 Interim Accord with their Veto on the Republic of Macedonia's NATO bid. The arrogant French were the only ones who supported them!
      The Republic of Macedonia should now apply directly to the United Nations to have its constitutional name officially installed. The French should be put under the pump! Will they Veto?!
 
By Igor D 

Concerns

MACEDONIAN APHORISMS

1. For shame! All those centuries of misery, oppression and blood. And still, Macedonia, old mother, the foul mouths deny you.

2. The hungry wolves are not mindful of how weak the prey is.

3. Wrap a bone in a money bill. Label it "Macedonia". And see all the swines and curs of the world pounce on it. Recipe for a side show.

 4. The insolent, in our case, are always stronger. But what of that? They enslave us, they won't let us breathe, they try to cut out our tongues., But, is might, always right?

5. Suffering? Endurance? Do you persist in calling yourself a Macedonian? Do seriously believe now, after all these years, that the gods still favour the brave?

6. A moral dilemma: Should the oppressed forgive their oppressors? Should they allow themselves such Christian luxuries? Is such "moral superiority" really the zenith of civilized behaviour?

7. Only evil and more evil can come out of the barrel of a gun. Let us declare the pen mightier than the gun, yet again.

8. Why are there brothers with adoration in their eyes when they are contemplating the master's boots? (See aphorism 9)

9. The peasants who finally get boots themselves. Tell me, for the love of God, why do they kick the peasants who are still barefoot? (See Aphorism 8)

10. "Freedom?" snarls the master to the slaves. "No, no, no! You haven't got the intelligence, or the language, or the skin colour!"

11. Are the African brothers who fought back and still fight and struggle against insolent "holier than thou" aliens all wrong? Also the Latin Americans, the Asians, and so many others besides? Come now!

12. The historical obligation of all Macedonians: to clear the mind of all propaganda and poison and to speak the truth plainly.

13. All our brothers and sisters on five continents, all those other "Macedonians" who can also be described as "the rejects of life" or "the wretched of the earth" will recognize a Macedonian when they meet one.

14. Wise men have affirmed that the history of the universe can be explained with handful of metaphors. Does not the fate of Macedonians offer a mirror for all slaves? Does not the Macedonian see his own image wherever there are slaves? And where are there not slaves?

15. We often speak amongst ourselves of the un-gagged mouths of the Macedonians throughout the world. Why haven't they been singing the praises of the happy Balkan Settlement since 1913? Good God! Can they be...so ungrateful?

16. Is it possible that all those shrill voices who speak against the Macedonians are, at bottom, really terrified of them?

17. It has been said that it is Anti-Semitism that has created the Jew. Is there a message in this for the enemies of the Macedonians? Do their very negations, all their fuss and bother - merciful heavens! - Really affirm the Macedonians?

18. So many crimes, so many lies and so many lives. Can it be possible that the height of absurdity - the so-called Macedonian question - question indeed! - Is best answered by those never asked - the Macedonians themselves!

Jim T.

Choices

ALEKSANDAR
 
     I was recently browsing the anti-Macedonian impostor website www.macedoniaontheweb.com when I came across an article about the (alleged) etymology of the name Alexander!
According to the can't be but wannabe Macedonians/artificially Ellinized non-Greeks "Alexandros" means 'defending men'!
Alexein > 'to defend, protect, help' and aner 'man' (genitive andros).
Reply: That is ridiculous!!! hehehe!!! These morons have been watching far too many inaccurate Hollywood movies!
"Aleksandar" (Alexander) is a pre-Christian - proto-Slavic, religious boys name!
Ale-ksan-dar > Ale/the Sun God, ksan/zeus, dar/gift.
"The Sun God 'Ale' gave his son 'Zeus' to the people as a 'gift'".
-Christianity is based on earlier "ancient Egyptian" mythology. The proto-Slavs of the entire Balkans (including the ancient Macedonians) were descendants of the Hyksos of Lower Egypt (which is actually the territory closer to the Mediterranean). The Hyksos got the mythology from the 'Upper Egyptians' whom in turn could have got it from the Ethiopians.
The 'later' Israelites too were descendants of the Hyksos.
The Star of David is a variation of the Star of Kutlesh.
Jesus was the Son of God. The three wise men (the Phrygian Magi) are depicted in art bringing "gifts" to the baby Jesus!
Now, stop and have a think about what has been mentioned thus far...
-"Alexandros" is merely a later (hybrid) 'Koine' adaptation of Aleksandar!
After 1600 BC, the indigenous proto-Slav Pelasgian 'Grekos' of Morea, (yes you heard right!) were assimilated by Sub-Saharan/Afro-Asiatic colonists. As mentioned in previous articles, the Sub-Saharan/Afro-Asiatic colonists (originally) would have believed in Ra, not Iliy. The Sub-Saharan/Afro-Asiatic colonists and the later hybrid "Afro-Europeans" did not penetrate north into proto-Slavic Macedonian lands beyond the coast at Chalcidice.  

BY ZAC I -THE FIRST    

Part 2: The Phrygian 'Magi'
 
      Christianity is a continuation and/or adaptation of events/stories in ancient Mediterranean mythology (whose own roots are derived from even older Asiatic/Afro origins).
The Sun God Iliy is the Supreme father of Zeus. Christians believe Jesus was the "Son of God".
      The following extracts come from the book "Jesus Christ: The Jesus of History. The Christ of Faith" by J.R. Porter, Duncan Baird Publications, London, 2001, (Pages 70, 71, 73, 86, 101, 119).
 
      The First Witnesses: The second chapter of Mathew recounts the famous story of the "wise men" from the east (the "magi" whom there were allegedly three) (Matt.2.1) who, following a star come to pay homage to the infant Jesus (whom they allegedly bring gifts to). This episode underwent considerable development in Christian thought.
(note: In earlier times too it is said that a 'star' appeared in the sky every time a new king came to the throne in Israel).
 
      The Shepherds: Luke's story of the Shepherds who visit the infant Jesus parallels in some way Mathew's story of the wise men..., Luke's story is a beautiful idylic tale, perhaps influenced by Pagan legends that link shepherds with the birth of famous men such as Romulus and Remus (the brothers who were the founders of Rome).
      There is a 6th century mosaic ('The Magi') in the church of Saint Appollinare Nuovo, Ruvenna. It gives the "wise men" their traditional names of Balthasar, Melchior and Caspar (or Gaspar). Each wears a Phrygian cap, a felt hat originally from the land of Phrygia in Asia Minor but widely used in Roman - Byzantine art to denote a person from the orient)...,The eastern strangers have sometimes been depicted in art visiting the newborn Jesus in the manger at the same time as the shepherds, whose visit is described in Luke.
 
      The Massacre of The Innocents: Herod The Greats’ most notorious act in Mathew's gospel account is to order the massacre of all the children of Bethlehem aged two or under in an attempt to get rid of the infant born there whom the wise men have hailed as Messiah and king of the Jews (Matt.2.16.).  
      "...It has been suggested that the whole episode in which foreign wise men acknowledge Jesus deliberately anticipates the universal Christian mission with which Mathew's gospel ends (Matt.28.19). If so the reference is oblique: the magi are not depicted as evangelical converts but simply return to their own country (Matt.4.12.). More likely the evangelist is expressing the common Jewish expectation that when the messiah appeared, he and Israel would receive homage of all nations."
 
      The Magi: Mathew describes the foreign visitors by the term 'magi' (singular magos; Latin magus), which is probably best rendered as "magicians". Originally of Persian origin, by the first century CE the magi had become widespread in the ancient world as a highly influential group of skilled practitioners in esoteric arts, such as astrology, and oneiromancy (divination from dreams), both of which figure in the gospel narrative. They possessed secret and arcane wisdom. 
      The Jewish writer Philo commends the magi as adepts of 'true magic' but elsewhere denounces them as charlatans, concerned only with charms and incantations. The same negative verdict appears in the New Testament in the depiction of other magi, such as Simon (Acts 8) and Elymas (Acts 13). Mathew certainly recognizes the special abilities of the magi. Owing to their supernatural wisdom they understand that the guiding star manifests the royal status of Jesus (Matt.2.2.). They also receive a divine message in a dream (Matt.2.12.). On the other hand, there may be an implied contrast with Jesus. In the gospels Jesus is accused of being a magician and performing miracles in the name and power of beelzebub, the prince of demons (Matt.12.24 and parallels). In introducing the magi, Mathew may wish to imply that all practitioners of magic must admit the superiority of Jesus -just as the demons do (as at Matt.8.29 -30; Luke.4.34) -and acknowledge that as the Holy One of God, his power and authority are utterly different in nature from their own.
      "Later Jesus was accused of being a magician in league with the ruler of the demons, but in the desert the Son of God demonstrates that he refuses to perform meaningless tricks at the prompting of Satan...".
      "The gospels record a number of confrontations on specific issues between Jesus and the Pharisees, the "scribes", and other experts in Jewish law closely associated with them. For example, they accused Jesus of being possessed by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons, and performing exorcisms by his power. This accusation -that Jesus was a false magician -was a way of isolating him as a threat to the established religious and social order..."
      The term "Son of God" had a range of connotations in contemporary Judaism; it was used by some charismatic wonder-workers to describe themselves. Such inividuals at times were accused -like Jesus -of performing magic through the agency of demons. If the Sanhedrin considered that "Son of God" denoted Jesus as a magician, they could condemn him as a false prophet, tempting the people of Israel to trust in miracles performed by supernatural beings other than the true God. For this, in the Mosaic Law, the penalty was death. 
 
Authors Notes:
-Mag'ija in Macedonian means "magic".
-Magi > Ma-gi > "My Zeus".
-Makedon > (k>g) > Mage-don. "Makedon" is the "home" of a select group of Phrygian 'Magi'.
-'Magi' > 'Mage' (My Zeus), also, naturally enough, came to mean 'Mother' (female gender). Hence: Magi > Mage > Mak'e > Mother.
-Makedon > "Mothers Home".
-Macedonia is a biblical country and the Macedonians are biblical people.
 
By A Digest Reader

Free Advice

Proud Macedonians Take Heart!

      By the use of their NATO veto, the Hellenenes and Bulgars have inadvertently sown the seeds of our dreams! As they sow, so shall they reap! The jackals have taken off their sheep skins and exposed their true identity and motives to the world! Nothing has changed from antiquity. They hated King Phillip and his son Alexander and now try to steal our identity to hide the fact that they stole and occupy our lands. They even employ their clergy to spread their racist propaganda. We all know what needs to be done. A jackal will not respect a pussy cat but will run from a lion! Let's stop our cowardly sniveling and behave as the proud Macedonians that we are! Those who will sacrifice their liberty for security deserve neither! Who needs the false security of NATO! Who needs the yoke of the EU. To the devil with all of them! Do we really want to exchange one overlord for another? Stand Tall! Stand Proud!

Long Live United Macedonia!
Under the Blood and Sun!
Dagger and Gun!

Christoff

History

First Macedonian came to America with Columbus

      Even though they [Macedonians] were the last to join the migration from the Balkans to the North American continent, one of them was among the sailors of Columbus when he discovered America in 1492. His name was Dragan. He was a native of the town of Ohrid, an important center of culture and religion which is now located in the Macedonian Republic. Dragan belonged to the Bogomil sect which was regarded as heretical by both Catholic and Orthodox churches. He made his way to Spain, but was discovered as a religious dissenter and was condemned by the authorities to die on the stake in Salamanca. He was saved from certain death by Columbus who was gathering his motley crew before sailing to America. Dragan who was an experienced gunner thus became a valuable member of Columbus’ crew.

Following the discovery – before Columbus returned to Spain – Dragan was left with forty-two other sailors at the newly built fortress La Navidad. Subsequently he survived the Indian massacre. “Drahan da Lihnida” is mentioned in contemporary eyewitness accounts in the Spanish court. Lihnida is the old name for Ohrid. (By George J. Prpic, “South Slavic Immigration in America”, John Carrol University, Twayne Publishers A Division of G.K. Hall & Co., Boston, Chapter 18) Posted by Risto Grpcevski

THE CHARTER OF ALEXANDER THE MACEDONIAN

      “WE, ALEXANDER, son of Phillip, King of Macedonia, Prince of the Monarchy, appointed as a creator of Greek empire, from Nataban announced as the child of the great Zeus, ruler of the Augusts, and of Bramans and of Arbonites, from sunrise to sunset, from south up until north, to the noble nation of Slavs we wish kindness, peace and health. We and our followers who will succeed us in ruling the world, because you have been consistent in faith, valiant in fights and our leaders and heroic fighters, we apportion you and freely donate you forever this whole part of the land, to North up until southern borders with Italy; and with such right, which nobody but you, must not stay long here; nor inhabit, nor live there. If, however, anyone stays longer here, may he become your slave, and his children, slaves to your children.

      This Privilege is given in the new city of Alexandria, whom we created by the great Nile River, in the twelfth year of our ruling, under protection of the great god Zeus and Mars, Pluto and goddess Athens. Witnesses to this act are the noble Athleta, our treasurer, together with the other eleven princes whom we have appointed, after our death, as our general successors, considering the fact that we haven’t got any children.”

      From the book “The Kingdom of the Slavs” by Mauro Orbini, published in 1601, in Pezaro.

This is Alexander’s legacy to his people, the Macedonians, who became Glorious, and hence forth were also known as the Slavjani (Slavs).

http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/the-charter-of-alexander-the-macedonian-found-in-the-book-by-orbini-1601/

Stories

The Loaded Game: A Balkan parable for our times

By Jim Thomev

      Con the Greek insists that his next door neighbour, Stoyan the Macedonian, owes him one-million dollars. Stoyan is astonished as it is the first time he has ever heard of a creditor demanding payment for a non-existent debt.  It is a historical first, but Con has always been proud that he is descended from a race that has always been pure “Greek”, even when mixed with other ethnic groups.  Con believes his group has been first in everything for the six thousand years since the earth was created by Yahweh who, alas for Con’s view of history, was not a Greek.

     Alarmed by Con’s absurd claim, Stoyan checks his accounts and finds that he really owes nothing. On the contrary, the affair opens an old wound from the past for him. Con had actually swindled him out of a substantial and productive piece of land not that long ago. Not only did Stoyan lose over half his property (51%, to be exact), but the situation was so deplorable that a large number of friends and relatives suffered as well.

      Stoyan therefore refuses to pay even a single cent. Not only has Con’s demand added insult to injury, Stoyan sees it as an outrageous injustice and a violation of his rights and dignity as a human being.

      A very costly legal wrangle follows.  Some of the judges and advocates play their own games for what they can get out of this bizarre piece of litigation. But after 17 sterile years, Con notices his demand is generally viewed as absurd by everybody.

      Now Con’s family are phenomenal braggarts; indeed, he has claimed ancestry going back to the legendary King Odysseus of Ithaca, the compulsive liar who was never shy about letting everyone know how fantastic he thought he was.

      And so, true to this tradition, Con astounds all and sundry when he offers Stoyan a generous compromise: namely, that Stoyan need only pay back half the money he owes.

      Stoyan categorically rejects such false generosity that he perceives to be both arrogant and criminal. Why on earth and by what logic should he accept Con’s ridiculous premise that there is a debt of any sort? It occurs to Stoyan that Con is decidedly not a descendant of Aristotle, the first philosopher to write down the rules of human logic.

      As a reaction, Con goes around bad-mouthing Stoyan as someone who is totally unreasonable, unfair, and should not be respected by anybody in the global village, let alone the neighbourhood.  Con insists that Stoyan should be forever frustrated from obtaining any loans or other benefits and never be accepted by any syndicate or company board until he honours his “debt”. After all, argues Con the Greek, "given how intransigent that crazy ***** (Con always uses an insulting and racist term whenever he refers to Stoyan) has been about paying even half the debt he owes me, he is a menace to peace and security and the healthy flow of commercial activities".

      And you can be sure, Con adds, "he really poses a threat to my own assets – assets for which I have shed blood, sweat and tears to accumulate in fair competition with the Lord God on my side".

      Stoyan does not wish to go out of his mind. It is obvious that this double bind Con has put him in, means, whichever way he goes he will be the loser. He recalls his grandfather’s wisdom: “if you allow yourself to be led by a dung beetle, you will end up in manure”. So instead, he follows the example of Alexander the Great who “untied” the Gordian Knot with a stroke of his sword:  He tells Con to go to hell where he is sure to find people like himself.

Is it Macedonia by any other name?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0327/p20s01-woeu.html?page=1

      On a recent crisp afternoon, as he shared a park bench and the last rays of sunlight with a friend, Zhezhouski Blazho was indignant. He's not an educated man, he says, but after 86 years on this earth, he knows a few things: among them what he is.
      "We are Macedonians," insists the retired shepherd, from his usual bench in the Women's Park outside his country's parliament. "What was Alexander the Great when he conquered Greece? What was Philip [Alexander's father]? We are the children of Alexander."
      Here in this small Balkan nation sandwiched between Albania, Bulgaria, Kosovo, Serbia, and Greece, that assertion is more than mere genealogical trivia. Who has the right to lay claim to the legacy of Alexander the Great, and the name of his 4th-century BC empire of Macedonia, is a very contemporary political question that threatens hopes for a more stable future in the Balkans – not to mention NATO expansion plans in the region.
      Mr. Blazho's nation calls itself the Republic of Macedonia, and many countries, including the US, recognize it by that name.
      But Greece – which has no designs on the territory of this Vermont-sized nation, but just the name – says that everyone knows Alexander was Greek and that Macedonia is in Greece (indeed, there is a region of Greece called Macedonia). They insist that their Slavic-majority neighbor – known in Athens and at the United Nations as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) – is trying to steal their heritage.
      That assertion drives Blazho and his park bench mate, a retired Yugoslav major, to distraction.
      "We haven't done anything bad to the Greeks," says Blazho. "It's irrational what the Greeks want from us. To change our name," chimes in his friend. "If the Greeks were so attached to the name Macedonia, why didn't they call their country Macedonia?"
      In the ethnic caldron of the Balkans, all national identities are comparatively new, forged as the region's empires crumbled. Modern Macedonian identity, however, is still very much a work in progress, and the country's government is waging a concerted effort to claim the brand of Alexander and forge a link between the present and that hallowed past. Visitors to the capital, Skopje, now arrive in the Alexander the Great Airport (though you can't fly there direct from neighboring Greece). And milk-white classical-era sculptures – borrowed from the national collection – have been mounted on the steps of the main government building.
      But at the hulking, Soviet-era Museum of Macedonia, hard evidence of those links is harder to find.
      Nada Andonovska, a museum representative, sweeps through fading exhibits of Paleolithic pottery and Bronze-Age jewelry and pauses in a room with a handful of classical sculptures and a few Hellenic pots, in front of a large map. Modern Macedonia was part of Alexander's ancient empire, and later, part of the Roman administrative territory of Macedonia, she explains. Alexander had to learn Greek, she notes. It wasn't his native language. Though she concedes, too, that he almost certainly didn't speak anything related to modern Macedonian – a Slavic language related to Serbian and Bulgarian that Greeks insist is a dialect of Bulgarian, not its own language – because Slavs only came to the region in the 6th and 7th centuries AD.
      Across the room, Ms. Andonovska points to a tiny bust, displayed behind glass along with other artifacts. Doesn't it look like Alexander, she asks? "It hasn't been written up," she adds hastily. "So there's no absolute evidence."
      Andonovska hustles on to a display of old coins. The museum has a collection of coins from Alexander and Philip's time, she says, but they're not on display for security reasons.
      In fact, she concedes, the only undisputable depiction of Alexander in the museum is a giant gold-colored bust of his head (made of plastic) that greets visitors in the lobby.
      The dispute over the name Macedonia has haunted this young country since it broke from Yugoslavia in the early 1990s. Greece initially imposed trade sanctions and blocked its entrance to the UN until the temporary compromise – to call the country the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia – was reached. UN-mediated negotiations have continued, with little success, ever since.
      The dispute stirs angry passions on both sides. Like Blazho, many Slavic speakers in Macedonia – more than two-thirds of the population – claim direct descent from Alexander. That identity – which is taught in schools here though it is considered dubious by most historians – gives Macedonians a way to differentiate themselves from their other Slavic neighbors.
      Greeks doggedly refer to the country as FYROM and often respond angrily to anyone who uses the term Macedonia to refer to the country – claiming that allowing the name to be used could lead to territorial claims.
      Denko Maleski, Macedonia's first foreign minister, recalls going on vacation in the Greek city of Halkidiki with his family a few years ago. They enjoyed the sun and the food, and interactions with Greeks were always pleasant. That is until people asked where he was from, and he answered "Macedonia." As Greeks realized he meant the independent country and not the region of Greece, he says, "It was as if thousands of years of history came down on our heads."
      Unlike Blazho, Mr. Maleski doesn't see modern Macedonia's historical claims in such stark literal terms. Now a professor of international law, he considers himself a democrat, a liberal who wants peaceful, multiethnic states in the historically tumultuous Balkan.
      But, he says, the idea of Macedonia is the only thing that binds the young state together, the only identity it has that distinguishes it from its neighbors, which spent the first half of the 20th century fighting over and repeatedly carving up the territory of this country.
      "The definition of Macedonia and Macedonians is something that holds people together," he says. "This is a new, modern state that is trying to position itself in Europe. It's a little country in a big world."
      In the run-up to the April 2-4 NATO summit in Bucharest, international negotiations over the name dispute have moved into high gear. The US wants the country admitted to the organization during the summit – along with Albania and Croatia – but Greece is threatening to use its veto if the name issue isn't resolved first.
      Macedonians see joining NATO as a first step toward integration with Europe and, ultimately, membership in the continent's most exclusive club: the European Union. It was the poorest republic in the former Yugoslavia and remains one of the poorest countries in Europe, with an official unemployment rate of 35 percent.
      A list of five composite names – such as the Republic of Upper Macedonia and the Democratic Republic of Macedonia – leaked to local media have been discussed for weeks. While both countries now seem to accept the idea of a composite name, they disagree on which one. Late March 25, the UN negotiator Matthew Nimitz offered up a last-ditch compromise proposal, the details of which were not disclosed but which may include a geographic indicator to differentiate the country from the region of Greece.
      Biljana Vankovska, a professor at the University of Skopje, is a hard-liner. She thinks Greece has no right to tell Macedonia what to call itself and says it's humiliating that her country is considering putting the issue to a referendum. But she also says the way Macedonia's government is desperately trying to claim Alexander's legacy by renaming the airport and installing ancient statues is "pathetic."
      "It's a historical fact that his legacy spread all over this area. No one has a copyright on his name," she says, over espresso in a trendy suburban Skopje cafe. "But he belongs to the past."
      Many ordinary people like Blazho disagree. The blood of Alexander, he says, runs in his veins. "Macedonians are brave, we are fighters. Like lions, we will defeat the tyrants."

Posted by Egejska

Scota and Gaedel (part 5)
 
      Aye, (before marrying Ankhesenamun) may have had an argument with Akhenaton. He may well have gone (been exiled) to Argos (Greece) on the Peleponesus. (*Authors note: Ar-gos > A(r)-'chae'-a > G(re)-kos > "G(le)-kos": G-(le) > Zh(ivi)-li, kos > gos > zeus.
-The 'life giving' Iliy, gave birth to Zeus.)
In the pharaonic chronology of Manetho there is a character referred to as Armesis (Harmais) (Dannus). In classical chronology the character is referred to as Aye (Armait). -Armait is simply the throne name of Pharaoh Aye.
"...if Aye had fallen foul of opposition groups at Amarna (in Egypt), it is entirely possible that he exiled himself to Argos (Greece), which was perhaps ripe for picking at the time. At best, Argos was still a land of backward city states during the Amarna era, and perhaps Aye saw the possibility of taking over a fresh new population and converting them to the Aton religion..."
It is said that on arrival in Argos, 'Dannus' took the kingship from the Argive king Gelanor, by subterfuge, and so the southern aegean Pelasgians became known as the Danaoi from that time onwards. Although Aye-Dannus had his troubles in Argos, he could also have enjoyed himself in exile on the Aegean islands and mountains for a full nine years. (During this time, Akhenaton had disappeared from history, as the 'Amarna' regime was in tatters. Perhaps Akhenaton fled to Argos too?)
As Strabo recounts: "Dannus, the father of fifty daughters, on coming to Argos (Greece) took up his abode in the city of Inarchos...He laid down the law that all people hitherto named Pelasgians were to be named Dannans (Danaoi)".
The name 'Dannus' eventually referred not simply to a person, but to an entire nation. So, what did Danaoi mean? (since this was obviously not a southern aegean Pelasgian name.) Ellis: "I have not seen any attempt at a translation from the (Modern) 'Greek'...The exact Egyptian spelling of Aye's alternative name appears to have been preserved in the ancient records; for the Danaoi Pelasgians of Argos were referred to by the Egyptians as the 'Djainiua'. The precise meaning of Djai-niua has never been resolved...,..'niu', which means 'us' or even the genitive, 'our'". "This seems rather similar to the names for Aye and Yuya, which also referred to 'me' or 'I'. The only difference here being that a-niu was in the plural, because it referred to a whole nation -perhaps it was no longer 'I Am', but 'We Are'. This would leave the initial 'da', which simply means 'the' or, perhaps more likely, 'seed' (offspring). So it is likely that the name for Dannus and the Djainiua (Danaoi) people means 'Our Seed' or 'Our People'. If Dannus was Aye, who was called 'I AM', then 'Our Seed' for the nation as a whole would be appropriate". (*Authors notes: 1. Djai-niu > Djai > Zeus, niu>'nash'/our. "Zeus, our". -A people whom have faith/belief in Zeus. The Egyptian pharaoh's were both 'Kings' and 'Gods' Aye-Dannus could have become "Zeus, our" to the Pelasgians?! 2. As per the Rosetta Stone discovered in Egypt and recently deciphered, the Macedonians who ruled Egypt after 323 BC referred to the 'later' City State citizens as the 'Danajtsi' - Danaoi -Dannans.)
The Egyptian name for Argos (Greece) itself, was Uainn. This name was probably derived from uinu which means 'light' and the reason for choosing this name is simply that the great god Aton was the bringer of all light and thus all life. So, Uinu became the name of the province of Argos.
-Soon another dramatic event was to change the life of Aye-Dannus once more. The new pharaoh Tutankhamen had unexpectedly died young, and while this was a tragedy, especially if Tutankhamen was Aye's son, it was also an opportunity. Most of the Amarna family had died, been killed or dispersed after the fall of the (Amarna) regime. While the self imposed regent -the army commander Horemheb -was away campaigning in Syria, if Aye could hurry back to Egypt before Horemheb reached Karnak, the throne could be his at last. Helped by the Minoan navy, Aye may well have beaten Horemheb back to Karnak and been crowned pharaoh of the 'Two Lands' in a hurried ceremony. But no pharoah is complete without a spouse, and so Aye married Tutankhamen's widow Ankhesenamun in a rushed betrothal.
"But the renaissance of Atonism under Aye was not to be. The people had tolerated the new cult of Atonism for many years, but perhaps it seemed that this new god just created problems for the people. The taxes grew to pay for the new city at Amarna; priests in Thebes were unemployed on the streets; neighbouring kingdoms were in constant rebellion; there were setbacks in the foreign wars; and a plague may have swept through the country. As deities go, clearly this 'Aton' guy was of the bargain-basement variety. Understandably, the people were fed up with the political turmoil and craved for stability. Under the circumstances, it is no wonder that the courtiers, influenced by the army commander Horemheb, were able to steer the boy-king Tutankhamen back towards the worship of the old gods. As far as many people in the country were concerned, things were now heading back towards the right, traditional direction, when Aye suddenly became pharaoh. One suspects that Aye would have attempted to move back towards Atonism, but the priests, the military and the common people refused to follow, and a leader without followers is no longer a leader. Disillusionment was the real reason behind Aye and Ankhesenamun's probable exile from Egypt. Whatever the political imperatives were, both the historical Egyptian and legendary Celtic records of this era seem to suggest that Pharaoh Aye (Gaedel) and his new bride Ankhesenamun (Scota) were forced into exile. But this was no hurried exile, scrambling away for fear of immediate execution. No, to have assembled a flotilla of ships infers that Aye was asked politely but firmly by the administration to leave, and given sufficient time and resources to organise himself". 
As Walter Bower (the chief writer of the book Scotichronicon in about 1430 AD) says: "So Gaythelos gathered together all his followers and left Egypt with his wife Scota. Because he was afraid to return to the regions from which he had come (Argos) because of old feuds, he directed his course westwards".
-Here was a well organised expedition, possibly even using the navy of another nation especially hired for the purpose (the Minoan?). The total population required to set up a viable colony might be as many as 500-1,000 people, which would have required a substantial navy to transport.
The story of Aye-Gaythelos-Dannus eventually ends up in Ireland where some of the newcomers to the island were known as the 'Tuatha de Dannen', or the tribe of Dannen. If this is true, then some of the exiles who left Egypt with King Gaythelos must have been of the tribe of Dannen.
 
See 'Scota: Egyptian Queen of The Scots', by Ralph Ellis, Adventures Unlimited, USA, 2006, Pages 12, 21, 31, 32, 38, 39, 40-42, 49, 50.

By A Digest Reader    

Words

Book and other Reviews

 

The book that demolishes the Greek myth in Macedonia!

20080323 — makedonika

The Close Racial Kinship Between the Greeks, Bulgarians, and Turks: Macedonia and Thrace By Dr. George Nakratzas

http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/the-book-that-demolishes-the-greek-myth-in-macedonia/

Click here to read the book

The book is in the PDF-format.

Here is the preface of the book:

PREFACE TO THE THIRD EDITION

      The sole purpose of the first edition of this book was to give young Greeks another version of the origins of the modern Greek people, a rather different version, that runs counter to what has been taught in Greek schools for decades.

      As the overtones of the modern Greek nationalist mythology gradually came into focus, culminating in such nationalist clichés as the assertion that ‘the Greek nation has no kin’, that the ‘Skopjans’ are ‘Gypsies’, or that the (Former Yugoslav) Republic of Macedonia is an ‘ethnic hotchpotch’, I was taken aback, and eventually got down to writing this, the third edition.

My hopes of doing what I could to set up an opposing force to this rampant nationalism have not been entirely in vain, considering that something like 3,000 copies have been sold all over the country. For a book of this nature, this is quite an achievement.

      Viewed in the light of the general situation in Europe, Greece’s present foreign policy has shown that the country’s modern ideological armour is still very much the product of a nationalist upbringing, the roots of which go back to somewhere around the beginning of the nineteenth century. But the nation will never find its way in the European Union carrying this sort of ideological baggage.

      One of the cornerstones of this ideology is the unrealistic theory that the modem Greeks, expressing as they do the enduring nature of the Greek language, are the biological descendants of the ancient Greeks. It was concocted in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to serve as an ideological arsenal in the efforts to create a modern Greek nation in view of the impending collapse of the feudal, theocratic Ottoman Empire. The philosophical challenge to theocracy as a social model of governance first emerged, together with the concept of human rights, in north-western Europe in the sixteenth century, the century of philosophical humanism that produced Erasmus, Shakespeare, and other great thinkers. In Greece, 400 years after the theocratic beliefs of the Middle Ages were first challenged (in 1967, to be precise), there was still talk of ‘the Greece of Greek Christians’; and even today we hear a great deal about ‘Greek Orthodox culture’ — a culture that has never in fact existed as such, being known rather as ‘Orthodox Eastern Roman culture’.

      This country’s cultural backwardness has been starkly underlined by the efforts of modern Greek society to use the institution of the European City of Culture (Thessaloniki in 1997) to vaunt the mediaeval ideal of the Orthodox Eastern Roman culture of Mount Athos, not only as a historical and cultural facet of the multiethnic Byzantine Empire, but also as a ‘Greek’ national and religious heritage. These efforts may even have been subsidized by the European Union, at a time when sixty per cent of the population of the Netherlands, one of the most religious countries in Europe, have officially rejected any form of religious doctrine.

      A large segment of modern Greek society, which has never really embarked upon the process of ideological modernization, oscillates desperately between modernism and Greek Orthodox fundamentalism, displaying an inherent inability to make any sort of ideological distinction between the terms ‘race’, nationality’, and ‘cultural or ethnic identity’. Apart from the fact that even well-respected journalists are engaged in daily attempts to convince the younger generation that we are directly descended from ‘our ancient forebears’, views that go against the theory of ‘one race, one religion, one nation’ are regarded as nationally reprehensible. It is on this theory that most Greeks base their belief that there are no minorities in our country, apart from the ‘Greek Moslems’ of Western Thrace. Greek citizens who have publicly proclaimed that they do not feel like Greeks but like ethnic Macedonians or ethnic Turks have been pursued and convicted by Greek justice, which just goes to show that modem Greek society not only fails to show the necessary respect for what is different, but cannot even tolerate it. And, being in the grip of a virulent Hellenocentric egomania, this same society, while denying Greek citizens the right to any ethnic identity other than Greek, constantly exhorts Greeks living in other countries to preserve their Greek ethnic identity.

      Personally, I couldn’t care less what race the citizens of modern Greece belong to; the only purpose of this book is to show, and substantiate with written documentation, how rotten and historically untenable obsessive nationalism is, in the hope of infusing as many young people as possible with respect for the right to self-determination of every Greek citizen and every ethnic group that calls itself a minority, as long as the country’s laws and territorial integrity are respected

Poetry

COMING HOME

How can I connect with these people, how can I

How can I tell who is friend or foe

Who will call me Bulgarian, Greek or non existent

Or embrace me as their own

Who will challenge, argue or deny me

Professing, to know more about me, than I, myself

Forcing me to instantly, brace myself

Against well known hurt, as now

It is not the prodigal daughter, returning to Ellada

With a false face, smile and heart

But a banished child of Macedonia, home

To pay homage, to my mother

The language here is foreign

Alien, inconsistent with the land

I strain to hear something familiar

Native to my land

Time has passed, the weakened are now stronger

I see, I see, I see

The truth, will eventually surface

And it will set, Macedonia, free

By Lita Grakini

Shall never perish...

Young Macedonians! Where are you heading?
A battle awaits, a battle for freedom.
A struggle for freedom, for Macedonia.
For Macedonia, our shackled Motherland
Let our accursed enemies understand
The name of Macedonia shall never perish!

By
Aleksandar Mitovski & Biljana Kuzmanovska

From the Archives

Ilija Dimovski – Gotse’s Story

Part 10

Deserving of his ideals

By Risto Kirjazovski (Nova Makedonija)

Translated from Macedonian to English and edited by Risto Stefov

      The decision taken by the main leadership of the National Liberation Front, to appoint Ilija Dimovski – Gotse as an organizer and leader of the Macedonian Partisan units in Lerin and Kostur Regions, provoked harsh reactions from the leadership of the Communist party of Greece

      As it is well known, on April 23, 1945 outside and independent of the Communist Party of Greece, the organization “Macedonian-Aegean National Liberation Front” (MANLF) was formed with the task of organizing and leading the Macedonian people’s struggle against the Monarch-Fascist terror and winning national rights and freedoms by using all means and forms of struggle.

      MANLF, distinct from the Communist Party of Greece, worked for a peaceful resolution to the Greek question, having foresight of the strategic aims and mutual relations of the Great Powers, changes in the Balkans and of the internal situation in Greece, it figured that conflict between the right and the left would be unavoidable, so it was determined to apply all forms of struggle, on account of that since May 1945, it formed its own armed partisan units.

      After long hesitation, the Communist Party of Greece at its plenum held on February 12, 1946 decided to change its armed form of struggle against its adversary – the Greek right. In the second decade of April 1946, Nikos Zahariadis, the leader of the Communist Party of Greece, took a trip to the USSR. Then on April 21, 1946 he visited Belgrade and received support and promises of moral and material assistance for the struggle he was about to lead.

Unification of the Democratic Forces

      On account of the significant military and political factor in the country MANLF represented at the time, there was pressing need to combine the Greek and Macedonian democratic forces. For that aim a meeting was held in Solun in May 1946 between Nikos Zahariadis and Paskal Mitrevski, the leader of MANLF and a decision was reached to unify the two democratic forces under the leadership of the Greek Communist Party. Among other things, they also agreed to preserve The Macedonian partisan formations as separate entities, which was to represent the first step and condition for the creation of a separate Macedonian army with its own headquarters, to be jointly established in every region of Aegean Macedonia, etc.

      Over the above mentioned conditions agreed to by Zariadis and Mitrevski, a meeting of the regional committees of MANLF was held in the beginning of July 1946, during which it was agreed that every regional committee was to donate 100 to 150 Macedonian partisans, to form Macedonian units, to work for the unification with the Communist Party of Greece, etc, and thus on July 26, 1946, at Mount Vicho, a unit was formed. With the decision of the MANLF leadership, in the beginning of September 1946, Ilija Domovski – Gotse was given responsibility to organize and lead the Macedonian partisan units in Lerin and Kostur Regions. However Athanasios Zhoras and Theodoros Eftimiadis, from the leadership of the Communist Party of Greece for Lerin and Kostur regions, strongly reacted to Ilija Dimovski – Gotse’s appearance in Aegean Macedonia and began a slanderous campaign against him. They used suggestions made by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia leadership with regards to placing the Macedonian movement under the leadership of the Communist Party of Greece towards the end of August 1946 and disclosed a particular proclamation with which they slandered Ilija Dimovski – Gotse as being an autonomist, a nationalist, etc. The also referred to Zaharidis’s criticisms of Ilija Dimovski – Gotse in December of 1945 in Solon in order to further slander him. Unfortunately under such circumstances, Paskal Mitrevski the MANLF leader, was forced to request that the proclamation be withdrawn in exchange for having Ilija Dimovski – Gotse removed from participating in the talks regarding the unification of the Macedonian and Greek forces and to leave Greece altogether, as requested by the Greek leadership. This allegedly was done for some higher interests, to have Ilija Dimovski – Gotse removed and exiled from his own people, stripped of his right to be with his people, fight alongside them and fight for them and share their fate.

Far from his battered People

      In November 1946 Ilija Dimovski – Gotse was compelled to leave his fighters and go to Skopje, an act with which he could not be at peace. He could not accept the idea of being far away and outside the tragic and bloody events that were unfolding in his part of Macedonia. He could not accept his fate of being far away from the bloody battles his Macedonian people were engaged it. Finally in May 1947 Ilija Dimovski – Gotse  decided to contact Zahariadis himself by letter and appealed to him to allow him to return to his people, to share his fate with them and to fight as a common soldier. Because of the influence and authority that Ilija Dimovski – Gotse had with the Macedonian fighters and people, his appeal was granted and again he found himself in the middle of the struggle. He was given a post as commander in one of the NLAG battalions.

      Well aware of the negative effects the Macedonian liberation movement would experience, Ilija Dimovski – Gotse, during the first MANLF congress held in January 1948, strongly opposed the actions of the Communist Party of Greece and their attempts to remove some of the old MANLF leadership and infiltrate it with their own people. During the same congress, Ilija Dimovski – Gotse was made member of MANLF’s main council.

      Ilija Dimovski – Gotse’s behaviour during the congress was solid proof for the Communist Party of Greece that he would not change and would present an obstacle to their Party’s politics. So with aims to compromise and discredit him, in March 1948 he was demobilized from NLAG with the explanation that he allegedly did not find himself well in NLAG and wanted to give his disposal to MANLF.

      The founders of MANLF, including Ilija Dimovski – Gotse, well understood that the Communist Party of Greece’s extraction of MANLF leaders and replacing them with their own people was going to damage the movement. Doing that would not only contribute to the achievement of unity among the Macedonian people but, quite the opposite, it would divide it, the infiltrators would be a Trojan Horse, a Greek model of supremacy, causing divisions and putting a wedge into the organization with heavy consequences. This mistrust among the old MANLF leadership very quickly became confirmed. With the infiltration of its own people into MANLF, the Communist Party of Greece strengthened its influence over MANLF even more and opened the way to its total takeover by leading an anti-Yugoslav campaign. The Communist Party of Greece achieved this partly thanks to the infighting among the top leaders of MANLF, which divided the leadership into two opposing factions, with heavy consequences for the Macedonian liberation movement in that part of Macedonia.

      The leadership of the Communist Party of Greece, with aims to completely eliminate the old political assets of MANLF, in the beginning of April, 1949, under an urgent order from the General Headquarters of DAG (Democratic Army of Greece) immobilized the entire professional cadres and all other institutions of MANLF. This had very negative consequences on a political, organizational and military level.

(To be continued)

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Yasoo Elia,

      Let me first congratulate you on a well thought out, well written letter and above all your professional tone.    I am open to intellectual conversations but many postings in discussion forums resort to swearing and name calling and as a rule I avoid them.

      I read your email in the March issue of the Macedonian Digest (edition #27) and felt compelled to write.  You see I too am a product of the Greek education system and subjected to the Megali Idea of the philhelene Aromanian Rigas Fereos.   I can fully understand your feelings of being 100% Greek but I have a question about your feelings of being 100% Macedonian.   When did that start?  When the YpourgioVorios Ellados (Ministry of Northern Greece) was renamed to Ypourgio Makedonias kai Thrakis (Ministry for Macedonia and Thrace) or when the Thessaloniki airport of Mikra was renamed to Makedonia or when the Pale de Sport of Thessaloniki was renamed the Alexandriou Melethro in the late '80s and  '90s or does it go back to 1926-28 when a special Greek government commission changed the original names of every town and village in Macedonia as well as the names and surnames of the vast majority of the inhabitants of the New Territories (that's what the Greeks called Macedonia then)?  I am not being facetious here but making the point that for 70 years the official Greek government policy was full assimilation of the population of the new territories and did not allow for acceptance or showing pride in being "Macedonian".   In fact the opposite was true every effort was made to wipe out anything distinctively Macedonian.  Are you familiar of the inhumane policies of the Metaxas government towards the Macedonians and minorities?  Courts on trumped up charges, monetary fines (on the people that had barely enough to feed themselves) and forcing Castor oil (retsinolado) in their mouths for the crime of speaking the language of their mother, grandmother and ancestors.  Whole villages were made to take an oath not to speak this "foreign language".

      Only Greek speaking teachers were assigned to schools in Macedonian villages.  They had no patience for kids who had been brought up speaking their mother tongue at home.  If you slipped and a Macedonian word came out of your mouth, the punishment was immediate and (for a child) severe.  A few slaps to the face was the immediate punishment and depending on the mood of the teacher it would be followed by a few whacks to the open palm with a stick.  I am speaking from personal experience here.  At that time I did not understand, when I tried asking my father and grandfather I was told to not talk about it, that I will understand when I was older.  You see they were afraid if they told me the truth that I may say something to another kid who would then report me to the teacher and then the whole family would be in trouble.  You see, the teacher's job was not only to teach but to also be the eyes and ears of the government.

      I can also tell you the story of my neighbour, who was walking back to his home in the village after a hard day's labour in the fields.  Only a few steps from his door step he crosses paths with the village policeman (astynomos) who ordered him to report to the village school at 9:00pm that evening.  When he questioned why he was told he just doubled his punishment.  His crime for which he was whipped till he was unconscious that evening was that the policeman heard someone singing in the distance a song in Macedonian, it was not him but that is who the Policeman saw first.  Examples like this were not limited to one person or one village.  In the 1950's the village school was a school by day and a jail and punishment ward by night. 

Despite all that the Macedonians had to endure, to this day, there are people in Greece that know they are something other than Greek.  But, I would have to agree with you that today the majority of the inhabitants of that part of Macedonia have a Greek conscience, but that in a lot of cases was forced upon them through coercion, intimidation and physical beatings.  Let freedom ring and then we will see how long that consciousness lasts.

      It is very convenient for you to say, you travel to the area and there are only 5-10 villages and 2000 – 3000 people.  However, I alone, have been to more than 10 villages and have heard with my own ears, that there are a lot more people, but the fear is pervasive.  Many of the parents and grandparents that endured the beatings and the humiliations are still alive, and their memories painfully etched into their minds have made a conscious choice to spare their children and grandchildren what they endured.  However, if and when there is genuine freedom in Greece, you will be surprised at some of the people that would declare themselves as Macedonians.  So I can confidently tell you that you are way off on the number of villages where Macedonian is spoken.  In the Florina (Lerin) area, if we exclude the two Albanian villages (Arvanitika Horia - Drosopigi, Flambouro), one Aromanian (Vlahiko horio- Pisoderi) and a couple of pure Pontian (prosfigika horia – Neos Kavkasos and Agios Bartholomeos), there are Macedonian speakers in every village.  But in the atmosphere created by the super nationalists, people are careful about what they say or who they speak to.  Unless you are a speaker of the language you will not understand.  In the late 1980's sitting with a couple of friends in a restaurant in Thessaloniki we made some comments in Macedonian so we would not be understood by customers in the neighbouring tables.  To our surprise the waiter came up and spoke to us in fluent Macedonian.  He told us he was from a village from the Serres area.  That was the first I had ever heard that there were speakers of my mother language in the Serres area.  He told us at  that time that he also knew of a few villages in the areas of Drama and Kavala where it was still spoken.  Even today you can also find villages around Kastoria (Kostour), Ptolemaida (Kaliari), Edessa(Voden), Kilkis (Koukoush), Yannitsa (Enidje-Vardar)etc. where the language is still spoken. 

      In my days in University when I told a fellow from Naousa (Negoush)- whom I had just met- where I was from, he immediately greeted me in Macedonian, but then proceeded to apologize for not knowing it very well.  His grandparents were fluent, his father spoke it but his mother did not, so he only learned a few words. 

      I do not dispute the fact that your father and grandfather felt 100% Greek, but that is not the case with everyone.  First of all, the population of Thessaloniki before the Balkan wars had a mixed population but the majority were Jews.  There were Greeks too, but they were outnumbered by Turks and "Slavs".  My grandfather told me that when he served in the Greek army in 1922, on his way to Asia Minor (on that ill fated expedition to fulfill Fereos' Megali Idea), he remembered stopovers in Thessaloniki and Kavala and in both places the language in the marketplace was Macedonian.  In more recent times in 1991, on a beach in Halkidiki, a lady with whom we were conversing in Greek overheard my conversation with my parents.  She immediately asked what language we were speaking when I told her "Macedonian –our mother tongue" she proceeded to tell us that both her and her husband were from Thessaloniki.  They were both Macedonian but had lost the language although she said that her husband still knows some words.

      I know your counter argument would be that these few examples do not mean anything and prove nothing, but to me they say a lot about the resilience of the Macedonian people, the instinct of adaptation to survive and it does in part support the notion of a fluid national conscious that can be suppressed in the interest of economic or political circumstances.  I have been to a wedding where songs in the Arvanitiki or Vlach languages were freely sung but Macedonian songs were not allowed for fear of losing a lowly postman's position held (within ELTA) by a family member. 

      May I refer to you the book by Tasos Kostopoulos (a Greek) "I Apagorevmeni Glossa" for more background on the above.
      You state "Macedonia has a population of more than 3 million people, and we all are proud to be Greeks and proud to be Macedonians. We do not feel occupied by the Greeks or suppressed by them because WE ARE GREEKS".  How many were brought to Macedonia after the 1922-24 population exchange with Turkey?  And how many had the Greekness beat into them?  And of course we can count all Vlachs (Vlahi), Christian Albanians (Arvanites), and Gypsies as 100% Greeks.

      I know you, along with most every other Greek, mimimize the number but there are many people in Greece today who despite all the measures of assimilation and the pressure to conform, do not feel Greek.  They are not agents of Skopje as the government likes to refer to them, they are Macedonian, even if they do not feel Greek.  Being Greek is not a prerequisite to being Macedonian.  And if you would like to call yourself Macedonian, you are free to, but if I would like to call myself Macedonian that is my right.  As far as we can go back, my family has been in Macedonia and did not speak Greek, but are no less Macedonian than you.  The principal of self determination is enshrined in the United Nations Charter.  Above all, I do not have to call myself Greek in order to call myself Macedonian.

      Nowhere in history can one find reference to Greek rule over Macedonia until 1912.  But I know you will tell me that Alexander was Greek, which according to 19th century historians may have been true.  However, there is enough doubt raised that today there is no unanimity among historians on this fact.  You do not have to go any further than ancient Hellenes themselves, who did not consider Alexander and the Macedonians Greek.  Even if one accepts that the Macedonians of Alexander's time were Greek, there is over 2000 years of history since then, that has transformed the landscape.  Despite Greek claims to the contrary, there has not been a continuous Greek presence in Macedonia.  Had that been the case, the population census for Macedonia of 1920 would have been made public and there would have been no need for a special law to change the names in Macedonia.   I know it is contrary to Greek thinking, but the Byzantine Empire was not a Greek Empire.  Only in the last 200 years of its existence was the Byzantine Royal court in the hands of Greeks, but that does not make the multi ethnic Byzantine Empire a Greek Empire nor does it automatically prove any link to the Ancient Greeks.

      The Greek argument that the Macedonians today cannot be called Macedonians because they are not related to the ancient Macedonians does not hold any water.  Do you hear anyone in the world claiming that the Arabs of today's Egypt cannot call themselves Egyptians because they are not descendants of king Tut or the Arabs of present day Syria cannot be called Syrians because they have no relations to the Assyrians of antiquity.

      Regarding the issue with the name, Greece has wasted a lot of political capital not to mention money, which would have been better used in other problems such as the Cyprus problem.  Consider that in 1893 William Gladstone wrote " …why not a Macedonia for the Macedonians as well as a Serbia for the Serbians and Bulgaria for the Bulgarians…" which Macedonians was he referring to?

Since you are a Thessalonikeos surely you have visited the Museum of the Greek Struggle in Macedonia.  Did you read in Pavlos Melas' letters to his wife that he was learning some "Makedonika (Macedonian)" because the women generally did not know Greek.  It is important to note that he did not write Bulgarian nor Serbian nor Slavic.

      Do you know about the book "Za Makedonskite Raboti (On Macedonian Matters)" published in 1903?  Its author was from the town of Postol (now called Nea Pella) it is generally regarded as the first book to advocate an independent Macedonia, and this was at the turn of the century, way before Communism or Tito came into the picture.

      The first census conducted by Greece in the newly acquired territories (Macedonia and Thrace) was conducted in 1920.  Why are the results still not made public?  Is it because Greece does not want the world to know that there weren't that many Greeks there?  The same census for Thessaly was made public and what is interesting is that it listed some Serbian and Bulgarian speakers living in Thessaly but even more interesting is the fact that there were also speakers of the Macedonian language listed separately from Greeks, Bulgarians or Serbians.

      In 1925 after pressure from the League of Nations, the ABECEDAR was published in Athens so the minority children of Macedonia could be taught in their native tongue.  What is important to recall here is that while Bulgaria and Serbia were arguing that it should be in the Bulgarian and Serbian Language respectively, Greece was arguing that these people spoke Macedonian, not Bulgarian nor Serbian.

      These are some examples that show the weak position Greece finds itself in the name issue. 

Your suggestion of Slavomacedonia would be fine if we are listing Slavorussia, Slavopolonia, Slavochehia, Slavoserbia, Slavoslovenia, Slavocroatia, Slavobulgaria etc, but since no other country uses that prefix it is unacceptable to the Macedonians.  And, besides it may not be too long before the whole notion of a so called "Slav invasion" is fully repudiated as a fabrication of 19th century Western European historians.  The American professor of Romanian descent Florin Curtin in his landmark 2001 study poked holes in the theory of a Slav invasion in the Balkans.  His thesis is that they were always there.

      I agree with your view that we have a lot in common especially after you read "I Steni Filetiki Syggeneia Ton Simerinon Ellinon, Voulgaron, Kai Ethnika Makedonon (2002) By, Dr. Georgios Nakratzas (also a Thessalonikeos) ".   Nationalists on all sides may deny it but in the Balkans there is no pure blooded nation.  Today’s Greeks have Albanian, Slavic and who knows what other blood in them including Latin and Turkish.

      I think we should focus on those things that bind us rather than on what divides us.  It is unfortunate that the Greek government has painted itself into a corner without much wiggle room to maneuver itself out of this tight spot of its own making.  The ultranationalism of the Arvaniti Samaras and Karatzaferis (who with such a name surely cannot claim descent from Pericles) seem to shape Greek foreign policy.  What does Greece have to show for following this line over the past 17 years?  Isolation from the important players in the world, a stalemate on the other even more important national issues such as the reunification of Cyprus and the dispute with Turkey over the Aegean. The name Upper Macedonia which Greece is now pleading for was offered back then and, according to then Portuguese Foreign Minister Piniero, Gligorov would have accepted.

      So if today there is agreement and this name is accepted and Dora and Karamanli present it as thriamvos or conquest of Greek foreign policy it will really showcase that Greece really wasted 17 years and a lot of money to achieve something that was right in its lap 17 years ago.  On the other hand the use of the veto will solve nothing, it will only serve to stroke the egos of the ultranationalists at home and highlight Greece's failure in the international scene.  There are 120 countries that have recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name and the veto will not change that.  Why doesn't anyone in Greece talk about the consequences of the veto?  Under the 1995 interim accord Greece agreed not to prevent Macedonia from joining any international organizations (including NATO and EU) under its temporary name, and Macedonia agreed to work within the auspices of the UN mediator to solve the name dispute.  Yes the veto would prevent Macedonia from entering NATO for now, but it will also free up Macedonia from its obligation to work with the mediator and will be free to reopen the name issue at the UN General Assembly.  How is Greece going to prevent a vote at the General Assembly where the member countries of the UN who have recognized the country as the Republic of Macedonia in their bilateral relations choose to vote to also accept the name for membership in the United Nations?  Keep in mind that Macedonia was accepted into the UN name under the temporary name FYROM and many of those countries would like to see this case closed.

      Why is it that the nationalist views of a few Macedonians from the Republic get so much attention in Greece but the treatment of the Macedonian minority in Greece is totally ignored?  I bet that there are many more Greeks that still believe that Istanbul (Constantinople) "pali me chronia me kerous pali dikiamas thane –with years and time, once again she shall be ours".  What about the map of Rigas Fereos' Megali Idea?  I know of at least one school where that map still exists.

      I would like to close by paraphrasing a sentence from your letter, and say "let us think of the past in order to shape our future by not repeating the mistakes of the past"

Floriniotis – Makedonas-Makedonets

Re: Scota and Gaythelos (Gaedil) part 4 (from Digest #27)

Risto, I have a few points to make in regards to this article.

a/ the river "Ebro" in Spain.
-The Hyksos were the Egypto-'Israelites' of Lower Egypt (we're talking about the period around 1320 bc).
-The alternative name for the Israelites is the Hebrews or Evre'.
-Ebro > Ev-re' > "Zhive re". A people whom had faith/belief in the 'life giving' (Sun-god) 'Ra'. 
 (*Rodriguez is a Spanish surname. Rod-ri-guez > Gave birth, ra to zeus.)

b/ the 'native tribes' of (what we now call) Ireland that the Scotian people encountered at the time of the landing. 
-the natives, themselves, would have been proto-Slavs!
-Remember, Stonehenge was a place of worship and related to "solar cults"! It dates between 2500 bc - 2200 bc!
c/ "Egypt was known as 'Etheria' and the true spelling of the name in Egyptian was actually Aturti or Eturti".
-Etheria > Evere' > Jews!
"Geoffrey Keating indicates that this name for Egypt was reduced down to the name 'Aeria' in later generations, and used for the island of Ireland. It is from Aeria that the modern name of Eire was derived. Interestingly, Keating states that this was also the original name for Crete".
-It seems that the Hyksos were quite wide-spread!
d/ "Aturti (Athurti, or the land of Arthur). The meaning of Aturti is closely linked with the river Nile as are the legends of Arthur himself and his protective goddess, known as the Lady of the Lake (Isis, the Queen of Egypt). It is interesting that Arthur's city of Camelot translates directly as Kama-let meaning "People of Egypt".
-"Make"don/"Kama"-let. Lower Egyptian - Hyksos-Israelite links?
e/ "In historical texts the 'Egyptian' Pharaoh's name is Akhenaton. Manetho uses Achencheres".
-There is an Australian Cricketer by the name of Adam Gilchrist.
Gi-l > Zhi(vi)-l(i)/the 'life giving' Sun-god 'Iliy' (father to) Christ.
Thus, Akhen-aton/Achen-cheres/Gil-christ. (Iliy/Zeus).
f/ "Scota".
-Scota is the female version of Kosta.
Sko > Sgo > Gos > Zeus.
Thus, "Skop-je" > Gospo Zh(iv)ee > Zeus Lives.
"Ve-le(s)" > *(Zhi)vi-li.
"Pri-le(p)" > V(e)ri-le > faith/belief in Iliy.
"Vardar" > Vard-ar > Protect me Ra.
 
By Vasko

E-mail(s) of the Month

John Christos - Visibility (sales@visibility.net.au)

January 18, 2008 4:22:51 AM

Identity Crisis

Dear Mr Stefov you and all your Slavic countrymen form FYROM have been brain washed from a young age to adopt a culture-history and naming rights from an existing state of Greece that does belong to you or your countryman.

To inherit a part of Greek history is not a crime it’s a compliment I think the whole world should be converted.

Quotable Quotes

“.........the Romans came not to fight against the Greeks, but for the Greeks, against the Macedonians..........” -- Plutarch, Flaminius in Greece. (Posted by Soldier of Macedon)

“The term 'Hellenic' should be used by psychiatrists to define a mental disorder.” (Maknews)

“Making Hellenes is so easy, you just add water and stir. You're right Alek, if he were still king he'd be eating Macedonian children for breakfast.” Maknews

"Our country is the Republic of Macedonia, and it will remain so for ever." Antonio Milososki - Thu, 03 Apr 2008 (Megaman)

Question/Answers for the Readers

      Jeremiah Ruso in “The Chronicles of Moscovia” clearly states that the Russians, meaning the Moscowians had the same language as the ancient Macedonians (Ilija)

From the Un-answered Questions File

Humour

Milososki cracks a joke at Dora...

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/416/2/

      As NATO Summit approaches, there seem to be genuine confusion in Greece as well as Macedonia as to what is being negotiated on. Macedonia believes they are negotiating on the temporary reference at the UN, while Greece is certain the negotiations are for the Constitutional name, which the Macedonian sides sees as untouchable. Time is running out.
      When Antonio Milososki met with Dora Bakoyannis in Brussels, there was friendliness demonstrated by the Greek Foreign Minister, as well as the Macedonian in reaching a solution. Their friendliness peaked when Dora Bakoyanis congratulated the Macedonian Foreign Minister on his new born son. Dora showed photos of her kids Alexia and Kosta, from her late husband Pavlos Bakoyannis, a liberal journalist and politician, who was tragically gunned down in 1989 by Greek Marxist terror group "17 November".
      Macedonia's Foreign Minister showed photos of his son to Dora from his mobile and were in agreement that Macedonia and Greece should be friendly countries, should work together, for them, and especially for their children.
      On Ms. Bakoyannis question what is the name of his son, Milososki responded: "David, I wanted Alexander, but I feared [Greece] may object to the name and I would have to negotiate." Milososki's joke was seen as a provocation by the Greek Foreign Minister as her face had turned sour. The US Ambassador to NATO, Victoria Nuland stepped in to ease the situation and jokingly remarked "Maybe your next son will be Alexander".
      This week was seen as crucial for any and all outcomes. The way it stands at the moment Macedonia may be looking at a veto which in turn would end all present and future negotiations with Greece. This would mean breach of the 1995 contract signed between Macedonia and Greece, which will allow Macedonia to bypass Greece and go straight to the UN.

Posted by Ilce

 
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/416/2/

Creation of Balance

      God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel, found him, resting on the seventh day. He inquired, "Where have you been?"

      God smiled deeply and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look, Michael. Look what I've made."

      Archangel Michael looked puzzled, and said, "What is it?"

      "It's a planet," replied God, "and I've put Life on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be a place of Balance."

      "Balance?" inquired Michael, "I'm still confused."

      God explained, pointing to different parts of earth. "For example, northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth, while southern Europe is going to be poor.  Over here I've placed a continent of white people, and over there is a continent of black people.  Balance in all things."

      God continued pointing to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot, while this one will be very cold and covered in ice."

      The Archangel, impressed by God's work, then pointed to a land area and said, "What's that one?"

      "That will be Washington State, the most glorious place on earth. There are beautiful mountains, rivers and streams, lakes, forests, hills, and plains. The people from Washington State are going to be handsome, modest, intelligent, and humorous, and they are going to travel the world.  They will be extremely sociable, hardworking, high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats, carriers of peace, and producers of software."

      Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then asked, "But what about balance, God? You said there would be balance."

      God smiled, "There is another Washington. Wait till you see the bloody idiots I put there."

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